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illuminatimess

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False equivalence. In the U.S., Murder is against the law. Theft and destruction of property is against the law. Any illegal activity within the country you live is WRONG and condemned by God. And God says there will be punishment and consequences -

Rom 13:1 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. 4 For he is God’s servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God’s servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience.

1 Peter 2:13 Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every authority instituted among men: whether to a king as the supreme authority, 14 or to governors, who are sent by Him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right. 15 For it is God’s will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish men.

Rom 13:1 Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. 2 Therefore he who resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves.

Tit 3:1 Remind the people to be subject to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready to do whatever is good, 2 to slander no one, to be peaceable and considerate, and to show true humility toward all men.


The National Guard works within the law and has the God-given authority to combat anarchy, looting, and rioting. Don't want to be prosecuted for murder, theft or violence? Obey the law. Don't want to see the National Guard out in force? Obey the law.
May I ask why you guys always quote the Bible when the discussion/topic is politics? Quite weird in my opinion lol
 
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False equivalence. In the U.S., Murder is against the law. Theft and destruction of property is against the law. Any illegal activity within the country you live is WRONG and condemned by God. And God says there will be punishment and consequences -

Rom 13:1 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. 4 For he is God’s servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God’s servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience.

1 Peter 2:13 Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every authority instituted among men: whether to a king as the supreme authority, 14 or to governors, who are sent by Him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right. 15 For it is God’s will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish men.

Rom 13:1 Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. 2 Therefore he who resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves.

Tit 3:1 Remind the people to be subject to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready to do whatever is good, 2 to slander no one, to be peaceable and considerate, and to show true humility toward all men.


The National Guard works within the law and has the God-given authority to combat anarchy, looting, and rioting. Don't want to be prosecuted for murder, theft or violence? Obey the law. Don't want to see the National Guard out in force? Obey the law.

Lol the quote that every authoritarian dictator uses to defend their evil.

You clearly dont understand the context.

The bible is not to be understood by fools.

But let me take what you say at face value.

When the "authorities" mandate you to take the vaccine, I assume you will obey their orders and take it, because in your understanding of the bible you must "obey the authorities"

Yes ?
 
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May I ask why you guys always quote the Bible when the discussion/topic is politics? Quite weird in my opinion lol
You started talking about god, don’t be disingenuous.
For people that invoke the example of Jesus beating the Jews in the temple, in that instance they had monetized religion, forcing people to only pray in one temple in one city, and they had to buy sacrifices from the merchants to do so. Jesus applies justice in proportion to a specific instance, and didn’t incite riots against all temples in the land, and certainly not against the shop owners of the Jewish race.
 
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They are commands from God. Explain how it's taken out of context, in detail. Jesus Himself, living under one of the most tyrannical governments in history - obeyed the law unless man's law conflicted with God's law.

Matt 22:19 "Show me the coin used for paying the tax.” They brought Him a denarius, 20 and He asked them, “Whose portrait is this? And whose inscription?” 21 “Caesar’s,” they replied. Then He said to them, “Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.”

Where is your argument for why God has made murder and theft equally wrong in the 10 commandments?
So you will be taking the vaccine ? Yes or no ?
 

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They are commands from God. Explain how it's taken out of context, in detail. Jesus Himself, living under one of the most tyrannical governments in history - obeyed the law unless man's law conflicted with God's law.

Matt 22:19 "Show me the coin used for paying the tax.” They brought Him a denarius, 20 and He asked them, “Whose portrait is this? And whose inscription?” 21 “Caesar’s,” they replied. Then He said to them, “Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.”

Where is your argument for why God has made murder and theft equally wrong in the 10 commandments?
So far as I can see it's the authorities who are engaging in murder and theft, through wars, military coups, staged "revolutions", all of which is a process to steal the whole world and give it into the hands of the rich elites. Everyone in reality has a natural right to a little bit of land to farm, and if that natural right isn't respected it's due to the iniquity of those who govern us.

Your quote about the authorities from Paul is flatly contradicted by:
"For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms." (Ephesians 6:12)

Clearly there is some kind of duality involved. I'd say that basically what it's all getting at when it speaks about "respecting authorities" simply means that when they are destroyed by violence they will continue to exist in different forms, and thus the struggle to overcome them really has to be non-violent if it's to be truly effective.
 

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When they are told to disperse, they don't disperse. there is a state of emergency and you have to put out the fire.

states also have nature, like people.
and these people are not even aware that they strengthen the state and the police. I shared the contact tracking news.
So your justifying violence against protesters because they peacefully aren’t dispersing -as is their constitutional right. And appealing to the authority of a pandemic you believe to be fake?

I’m sorry, there is no justification for the state using violence against peaceful protesters. None.
 

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I'm not going to make a judgment call on something that doesn't exist yet. I would have to research it when it's here.

And you have avoided my questions.
- Explain how the passages I posted were taken out of context, in detail.
- Where is your argument for why God has made murder and theft equally wrong in the 10 commandments?
- I'll add this for you to explain away:

1 Cor 6:9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; Neither the sexually immoral nor idolater nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

You can start a new thread in the religious section.
So the Europeans colonized countries and took a lot of their natural wealth in order to enrich themselves, and the economic advantages they have today are based in large part on that original act of theft on a grand scale. If the colonized were to engage in some expropriation of that wealth for their own good, it wouldn't be stealing really, it would be redistribution in accordance with justice.

The same goes for capitalism in general. Those who possess the means of production and use the people in order to operate them, paying the lowest wage they can get away with in order to have the work done, are basically vampires on the people. They have no actual right to what they possess, and thus taking it from them cannot be called stealing.

Now, I'm aware that in the case of riots there is often damage to small businesses and those who don't deserve it, which is a shame. At the same time they represent an impulse which, if not entirely well-directed and sane, is nonetheless fundamentally a call for justice. I don't think that we should shed any tears for corporations losing their ill-gotten gains, and I don't think that when the scriptures speak about theft they are really talking about small scale re-expropriation by the people.

Rather they are referring to the large scale expropriation by the elites, like the English and Dutch tricking the Maoris, who had no concept that land could be property of anyone, into giving their lands to them.
 

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The only thing that concerns me in this case is that....is it possible for this scene in Divergent to play out in real-life? The soldiers were given a serum that turned them into robots, marching out and prepared to kill on order. Because the reality is that for the guard to refuse to deploy would definitely be a huge blow to "their" plans.
I suppose something like that could still be possible in the future, but hopefully it won’t be any time soon. It looks like the pentagon is not entirely on board with deploying troops and several governors are requesting for them not to do this because they say it will just make things worse.

Really, it is starting to look like tptb need a plan c at this point.

 
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leave @justjess alone. she's just a little confused.




She said the people who went out on the streets were the grandma killers. Now she defends them.
You are really awful at being funny, don't bother trying.

The same could be said back to any of you, you were all for going out because "rights" and now that somebody is actually protesting their rights, you're bringing up the virus? LOL clowns.
 

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1. I never said the pandemic was fake. I have maintained and still maintain the MSM and leftist response to the pandemic is way overblown.
2. Define 'peacefully'. Do you mean marching with no incident? Do you mean rushing/pushing the police, throwing things at them and screaming in their face? The police aren't always right, but neither are the protestors always right, either. If a crowd appears to be getting out of control, the police or National Guard are going to act to disperse the crowd. If you expect anything other than that to happen, that's on you.
They are trapping peaceful protesters back into fences with no route of escape and tear gassing them. Are you ignoring all these incidents? Have you ever been to a protest? This isn’t the first time they’ve done this, it’s a pattern.
 
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You have things so backwards... the police are spraying tear gas and rubber bullets at peaceful protesters. The attorney general of the United States ordered this so trump could take a picture. There dozens of similar examples.
Except that your example is the most awesome thing any president has ever done, ever.

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So your justifying violence against protesters because they peacefully aren’t dispersing -as is their constitutional right. And appealing to the authority of a pandemic you believe to be fake?

I’m sorry, there is no justification for the state using violence against peaceful protesters. None.
you cannot distinguish right and wrong in the time of chaos.

And we know who wants chaos and benefit from it. In Turkey, since the Gezi Park protests, it has become impossible go out to the street. And July 15 false flag. The state has found a great excuse to silence all dissenting voices forever. It always works like this.

I am trying to show that going out on the streets will not be beneficial for citizens, rights or blacks. They are rubbing their hands for martial law.

You are really awful at being funny, don't bother trying.

The same could be said back to any of you, you were all for going out because "rights" and now that somebody is actually protesting their rights, you're bringing up the virus? LOL clowns.
If I think that the pandemic is scam, there is no contradiction in going out. just a matter of contradiction.
 

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I am trying to show that going out on the streets will not be beneficial for citizens, rights or blacks. They are rubbing their hands for martial law.
Yeah I agree that this is a problem, it's not that rioting in itself is particularly wrong (except in the sense of being somewhat misdirected, causing suffering for smaller businesses etc), but that they can use it as an excuse to bring about some situation of more extreme control. Maybe there's a balance, they can also use popular apathy as a weapon against us, nobody rioting might also be a bad situation.

Personally I'm not illuminated enough to say whether this is a case of something intentionally provoked by the government or merely the accidental result of a wider process. Anyway, in some countries of Europe militant protests are pretty common, usually a few riots every year.
 

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This was a setup and if you can’t see that...

why didn’t anyone burn trump tower?? Hmm.. I wonder.
That’s what I’ve been saying!!! Why didn’t they go and burn the cop’s house that killed Floyd?? Innocent people are paying the price, minorities are getting their stores looted! If BLM, then are they destroying their stores!?? It’s blowing me
 
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this is a case of something intentionally provoked by the government or merely the accidental result of a wider process
timing is very meaningful.

“We have begun analyzing the data of who we’ve arrested, and begun actually doing what you would think as, almost very similar to our COVID. It’s contact tracing,” Harrington said.

It is fully in line with the agenda of tracing everyone for unknown enemies.


and they will use military to do something (i can't imagine right now) to people who oppose vaccination. they need martial law.
 
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I don't see why people are so hung up on this. Insurrections and riots are like forces of nature, natural responses to an oppressive society. They aren't rational or reasonable, they do damage things and cause problems, at the same time the government which provokes them isn't rational or reasonable either. In fact, if you look at it from a global perspective, the authorities of the USA are causing a lot more harm in the world as a whole than any rioters (of course, most people are incapable of looking from anything but a national perspective).

Just like you wouldn't judge a hurricane, how can you judge these movements? They are a natural effect of certain types of causes. Societies don't function without outbreaks of unrest, it's a part of the historical process. "Every action has an equal and opposite reaction", the reaction to oppression being revolt. In a way the problem isn't that people are rioting, it's that the government has such superior military and police force that protest movements can't bring about any actual change.

The system is going to change, somehow. The current way of living is unsustainable and dominated by an elite with no concern for humanity. The process of change is going to be painful, and not just for those in power. To the extent that people are attached to the capitalist system in it's inhumanity and cruelty, they are going to experience the transition as difficult.

If people are so attached to law and order, then it could be argued that the USA is not in the right, having sponsored so many coups in Latin American countries and elsewhere, engaged in illegal wars, propped up Israel etc. If you're going to decry people acting in such disorderly ways, begin by standing up against your own government and the corporations it serves.
Yeahh, this is kid's stuff to be honest. It's "the people vs the government". "How can you not support the people who stand up against oppression?"

Come on, we're adults here. These rioters and looters do not represent the people. Some cops crossing the line do not represent the government. These people are not protesting true oppression. They are protesting an oppression that they've been convinced of by crooked media and social justice advocates. They are their own main oppressors and they terrorise fellow citizens.

When I hear the word 'people' I think of the middle and working class, those who are productive, add net contribution to the economy, but exercise no power over others, and they and their livelihoods are being attacked by violent people with a misguided rage and selfish entitlement.

Even the government is not as monolithic as commonly assumed. Some people are being used as government assets against other people, some are used as proxies against the government, some are being used by oligarchs or deep state strategists. Different members of the same government institutions can have opposite allegience, and last but not least, most members of government ARE simply people, and you get a more intricate representation than the binary people vs government most people cling on to.

Social engineers and their complicit lamestream media have been agitating race ware for decades. The people that are now looting, rioting and even peacefully protesting are their useful idiots, their agents of chaos to subvert society, which naturally elicits a reaction from other people who either see through it or simply defend what's theirs and their community's.

The trick is to side with neither the people nor the government, but to side with order and the truth. And those siding with chaos and falsehood should be held in contempt.
 
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So beautiful :'( George W Bush joins the side of Sony and Burger king
 
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all the "we are against the NWO" was one big fucking lie. These tools of the elite are being shown for what they always have been, and I maintain a lot of people were simply using "conspiracy theories" and "opposition to the NWO" as convenient tools to hide their prejudices behind.

Who knew the "troof movement" was simply a tool to churn out fascists.
Says the person who's siding with the Deep State's new world agenda as we speak.

But you'll deny of course, so enlighten us. What is the New World Order about?
 
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