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[Lady]

Rev. 5:8-10. (Music in heaven)

8And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. 9And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

 

[grateful servant]

Rev. 5:8-10. (Music in heaven)

8And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. 9And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Listening to and playing music in heaven (jannah) is not the same as doing it on earth. Muslims know that for the believers whom God will grant Paradise there will be delicious wine that causes neither intoxication nor headache, but it is forbidden for us to drink it here. I hope young Mecca will learn the Sahih narrations about music,leave it all, and make tauba to Allah.

 

[TMT]

1. There's no need for proof. Existence and perfect order in the universe itself is proof enough of God's Magnificence and Existence.

2. Your choice not to believe. Actually, what right do you really have not to when you can't even explain how you even came to be?

3. What do you deem evil exactly? The simple fact that i deem music to be forbidden? By all means, do what you want to do, but don't disbelieve in The One Whose Non-Existence you can't prove since you cannot explain your own very existence. If you want to listen to music, you are free to, i never said you had to listen to me. I was only pointing out the reasons for it not being very much appreciated as per Scripture.

No, what is evil that he would deem it a sin to listen to music, something that touches us to our soul and separates us from the animals. The fact that he would create us with a desire for music only to say no you can't is evil. And it's the same with so many things whether it's dancing, having a drink or sexual impulses. I refuse to exist for the amusement of a higher power.

4. What reason is there for music really? So some people want to be venerated and get paid for it, right? So they didn't exist in the first place and now they think they are special and so go about writing things which they also want to accompany with music to make it sound good. All the devil really wants to do is for you to turn a blind ear to the very sound of God's Existence.
The point of music is how it makes you feel, humans have a gift to appreciate creativity and we should use it.
5. If music was really good, it would have been free of charge.

6. Isn't the sound of nature enough?

7. Is money the thing that's keeping the Earth suspended in space or?

@Lisa You're most welcome!

I of course meant no offense to you personally, I like you actually.
Answers to some of your points in bold in quote.

 

[TMT]

This is the saddest sorriest comment I've read on these boards. The more I read you the more I think you are or are related to Flix.

I'll do a post in the introduce myself thread soon. I don't care who you think I am or about how you feel about my posts. At all.

 

[mecca]

Animals are musical, too. Tree frogs, birds, crickets, elephants ( ) for example.

I didn't think of that.

 

[grateful servant]

I'll do a post in the introduce myself thread soon. I don't care who you think I am or about how you feel about my posts. At all.

Okay

 

[mecca]

How can music strengthen your brain?

Three Brain Benefits of Musical Training:

1. Musicians have an enhanced ability to integrate sensory information from hearing, touch, and sight.
   
   
2. Beginning training before the age of seven has been shown to have the greatest impact. The age at which musical training begins affects brain anatomy as an adult.
   
   
3. Brain circuits involved in musical improvisation are shaped by systematic training, leading to less reliance on working memory and more extensive connectivity within the brain.

Some reading:
https://www.joytunes.com/blog/learn-to-play/how-to-become-smarter-by-playing-an-instrument/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/6447588/Playing-a-musical-instrument-makes-you-brainier.html
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-athletes-way/201406/does-playing-musical-instrument-make-you-smarter

 

[JoChris]

Three Brain Benefits of Musical Training:

1. Musicians have an enhanced ability to integrate sensory information from hearing, touch, and sight.
   
   
2. Beginning training before the age of seven has been shown to have the greatest impact. The age at which musical training begins affects brain anatomy as an adult.
   
   
3. Brain circuits involved in musical improvisation are shaped by systematic training, leading to less reliance on working memory and more extensive connectivity within the brain.

Some reading:
https://www.joytunes.com/blog/learn-to-play/how-to-become-smarter-by-playing-an-instrument/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/6447588/Playing-a-musical-instrument-makes-you-brainier.html
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-athletes-way/201406/does-playing-musical-instrument-make-you-smarter

If I don't play my guitar for several days I can certainly feel my concentration and memory getting worse.

 

[God_Is_Formless]

It's not really about the music itself tbh.

It's more about what one is foregoing by listening to it.

Instead of listening to music, you could be praising The One Because of Whom we exist in the first place.

Like seriously, He Is The Originator of it all.

The Only One Who Could Have Created so many kinds of sounds and voices.

How Great Is He For Having Created such a diverse creation?

That being said, those same things concerning His Greatness should be propagated and talked about to each and everybody.

That in my opinion is the sole mission of the human being on Earth.

May i underline that The Greatest of All Pleasures in Paradise will be when somebody will get the opportunity to contemplate The Most Infinitely Beautifully and Unimaginably Pure Countenance of The Creator of every single beauty that one can think of. Also, there will be some people who will get access to Paradise but who won't be worthy of such a Treat while some will get to enjoy it more often than others!

If one were to have an orgasm in Paradise, the pleasure of such an orgasm is said to be equal to 40 years of continuous accumulated pleasure incurred from an orgasm, of course that would be for those who refrained from illegal sexual intercourse and promiscuity during their lives.

If during his/her life one exclaims only once 'Glory and Purity Belong Only to God in Reality' while contemplating the wondrous taste of honey for example, that person will be rewarded with a tree in Paradise, the length of which will take him/her 500 years worth of travel via horseback to cover the distance of its shade!

I mean how much are we missing by foregoing those ''sowings'' here on Earth and for sure you will reap them in Paradise. How much are we missing by not talking about God's Greatness and instead wasting our time running after worldly pleasures? This earthly sojourn is so short! In the blink of an eye, i've seen 32 years go by, and what good were those years spent in amusement to me? None! You'll reap what you sow!

 

[God_Is_Formless]

In The Name Of God, Most Beneficent, Most Merciful​

(1) Hadhrat Abu Maalik Ash'ari (radhiyallahu anhu) says that he heard Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) say: "Most certainly, there will be in my Ummah people who will make lawful fornication, silk, liquor and musical instruments." (Bukhaari)

(2) In another version of this narration, Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said: "Most certainly, people from my Ummah will consume liquor which they will describe with some other name. Over their heads will be playing musical instruments and singing girls. Allah will cause the earth to swallow them, and from among them He will transform into apes and pigs." (Ibn Maajah)

The punishment for music and singing is exceptionally severe. Some juhhaal (ignoramuses) have attempted to escape the condemnation of music and singing stated in this Hadith by presenting a very stupid argument. This Hadith is an unambiguous assertion of the hurmat (being haraam/prohibition) of musical instruments. In this Hadith, Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) uses the word (Yasta-hil-loona, i.e. they will make lawful). He mentioned four acts which people in the later ages would make lawful, viz. fornication, liquor, silk and music. This presupposes that these acts are haraam. It is meaningless to say that a lawful act will be made lawful. This absurdity is the consequence of the stupid and false contention of the proponents of music and singing. A haraam act is made lawful, and this is precisely what Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said. The time will dawn when Muslims will make halaal these four haraam acts.

(3) Imraan Bin Husain (radhiyallahu anhu) narrates that Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said: "In this Ummah will be earthquakes, disfiguration (of faces which will be transformed into apes and pigs) and showers of stone (descending on them from the heaven)." A man from among the Muslimeen said: "O Rasulullah! When will this be?" Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said: "When singing girls and musical instruments will become profuse and when liquor will be consumed (in abundance)."(Tirmizi)

(4) Hadhrat Abu Hurairah (radhiyallahu anhu) narrated that Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said: "During the last of ages (in close proximity to Qiyaamah) a nation from my Ummah will be disfigured (and transformed) into apes and pigs." The Sahaabah said: "O Rasulullah! Will they be Muslim?" Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said: "Yes. They will be testifying that there is no deity but Allah and that I am His Rasool, and they will be fasting (in the month of Ramadhaan)." The Sahaabah asked: "O Rasulullah! What will be their condition (to warrant such chastisement)?" Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said: "They will be indulging in musical instruments, singing girls, musical drums, and they will be consuming liquor. They will one night go to sleep after their liquor and amusement. When they arise in the morning, they will have been disfigured (and transformed into apes and pigs)." (Kaf-fur Ruaa') It is apparent from this Hadith that the musical drum (the tablah of the qawwaals) and similar other kinds of musical drums are not the duff mentioned in the Ahaadith. Musical drums have been declared haraam unanimously by all authorities from the very age of the Sahaabah.

(5) According to another Hadith, also narrated by Hadhrat Abu Hurairah (radhiyallahu anhu), Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said: "I take oath by The Being Who has sent me with the Haqq (Truth)! The world will not come to an end until earthquakes, the descent of showers of stones (from the heaven) and disfigurement of faces (which will be transformed into apes and swines) had not taken place.' The Sahaabah said: 'When will that happen, O Rasulullah?' He replied: 'When you see women seated on saddles (i.e. riding horses and in this age, driving cars); when singing girls are to be found in profusion; when false testimony becomes rampant, and when homosexuality and lesbianism become prevalent." (Bazzaar and Tibraani)

(6) Hadhrat Ali Bin Abi Taalib (radhiyallahu anhu) narrates that Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said: "When my Ummah indulges in fifteen misdeeds, calamities will settle on them. Among these are singing girls and musical instruments." (Tirmizi)

(7) Sahl Bin Sa'd (radhiyallahu anhu) narrates that Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said: "There will befall this Ummat earthquakes, disfigurement of faces and showers of stones.' It was said: 'O Rasulullah! When will this happen?' Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said: 'When singing girls become in profusion and liquor is made lawful." (Ibn Maajah) Numerous Sahaabah have narrated Ahaadith in which Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) warned of disasters overwhelming the Ummah as a consequence of the profusion of music, singing and singing girls. Among these Sahaabah are: Hadhrat Abu Maalik Ash'ari, Hadhrat Imraan Bin Husain, Hadhrat Abu Hurairah, Hadhrat Ali, Hadhrat Sahl Bin Sa'd As-Saaidi, Hadhrat Ubaadah Bin Saamit, Hadhrat Abu Umaamah, Hadhrat Ibn Abbaas, Hadhrat Saeed Bin Khudri, Hadhrat Abdullah Bin Bishr, Hadhrat Anas, Hadhrat Abdur Rahmaan Bin Saabit and Hadhrat Aishah (ridhwaanullaahi alayhim aj-maeen).

(8) Hadhrat Naafi' (radhiyallahu anhu) narrates: "Once when Hadhrat Abdullah Bin Umar (radhiyallahu anhu) heard the sound of a shepherd's flute, he placed his fingers in both ears (to block the sound of the music), and he diverted his mount from that path. (As they rode on), he would say: 'O Naafi', can you still hear (the sound)?' I would say: 'Yes.' He would then continue riding. only when I said: 'I can no longer hear it', did he remove his fingers from his ears. Then he returned to the road. He then said: 'I saw Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) doing like this when he had heard the flute of a shepherd." (Ahmad and Abu Dawood) This was the reaction of the devotees of Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam). They could not tolerate the voice of shaitaan. When music dinned into their ears, they literally plugged their ears with their fingers. By what stretch of reasoning and on what basis of shame and honesty can it be claimed that Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) had permitted music and singing? He had described it as the voice of shaitaan. He would plug his ears to block the sound of shaitaan's voice entering his ears.

(9) Hadhrat Abdullah Bin Umar (radhiyallahu anhu) narrates: "Verily, Nabi (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) made haraam liquor, gambling, the musical drum and the tambourine. And, every intoxicant is haraam." (Ahmad and Abu Dawood)

(10) Hadhrat Ibn Abbaas (radhiyallahu anhu) narrates that Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said: "Verily, Allah has made haraam liquor, gambling, the musical drum, and every intoxicant is haraam." (Ahmad, Abu Dawood, Baihqi, etc.)

(11) Hadhrat Ibn Abbaas (radhiyallahu anhu) narrated: "The musical drum (tablah) is haraam. Liquor is haraam, and musical instruments are haraam." (Kaf-fur Ruaa')

(12) Hadhrat Ibn Mas'ud (radhiyallahu anhu) narrated: "Verily, Nabi (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) heard a man singing one night. He then said: 'His Salaat is unacceptable! His Salaat is unacceptable! His Salaat is unacceptable!" (Nailul Autaar)

(13) Hadhrat Abu Hurairah (radhiyallahu anhu) narrates that Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said: "Listening to music and singing is sinful. Sitting at such gatherings is fisq (immoral transgression). Deriving pleasure from it is kufr." (Nailul Autaar)

(14) Hadhrat Ali (radhiyallahu anhu) narrated that Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said: "I have been sent (by Allah) to destroy musical instruments……..The earning of a male singer and a female singer is haraam. The earning of zina is haraam. It is incumbent on Allah not to allow a body nourished by haraam, entry into Jannah." (Kaf-fur Ruaa') The evil of music and singing is sufficiently abominable to warrant it being lumped together with zina (fornication). one Hadith describes singing as "the spell of shaitaan."

(15) Hadhrat Ibn Abbaas (radhiyallahu anhu) narrated that Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said: "I have been sent (by Allah Ta'ala) to destroy the musical drum (tablah) and the flute." (Jam'ul Jawaami') The tablah and other forms of musical drums are not to be confused with the duff for which there is limited permissibility.

(16) Hadhrat Umar (radhiyallahu anhu) narrated that Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said: "The earning of a singer is haraam and her singing is haraam." (Nailul Autaar)

(17) Hadhrat Ali (radhiyallahu anhu) said: "Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) prohibited beating of the duff (drum) and the sound of the flute." (Nailul Autaar) From this Hadith as well as others, the ambiguity about the duff is eliminated. It is clear from several Ahaadith that the general ruling of prohibition applies to even the duff. However, an exception has been made for only the duff for the Days of Eid and marriage occasions provided no haraam acts are committed. This Hadith has the effect of abrogation. It cancels out the other narrations in which the duff was allowed. The fact that Hadhrat Ali (radhiyallahu anhu) and other Sahaabah too propagated the general prohibition of the duff even after the demise of Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) is sufficient substantiation for the abrogating force of this Hadith as well as other Ahaadith which also mention the prohibition of the duff.

(18) Hadhrat Ali (radhiyallahu anhu) narrated: "Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) forbade beating the duff, playing the harp and blowing the flute." (Kanzul Ummaal)

(19) Hadhrat Ibn Mas'ud (radhiyallahu anhu) narrated that Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said: "Verily, singing generates hypocrisy in the heart just as water causes farm-produce to grow". (Baihaqi)

(20) Hadhrat Abu Hurairah (radhiyallahu anhu) narrates that Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said: "Love for singing germinates hypocrisy in the heart just as water causes plants to grow."

(21) Hadhrat Ibn Mas'ud (radhiyallahu anhu) narrated that Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said: "Beware of listening to musical instruments and singing, for verily, both these acts germinate nifaaq (hypocrisy) in the heart just as water causes vegetables to grow." (Kaf-fur Ru'aa')

(22) Hadhrat Anas (radhiyallahu anhu) narrated that Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said: "Whoever sits and listens to a singing girl, Allah will pour molten lead into his ears on the Day of Qiyaamah." (Ibn Asaakir) On what basis now can the permissibility of music and singing be argued? The severity of the punishment should be an adequate deterrent to abstain even if some narrations indicate permissibility.

(23) Hadhrat Ali (radhiyallahu anhu) narrates that Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said: "Whoever dies while he has a singing slave girl, do not perform Janaazah Salaat for him." (Haakim)

(24) Safwaan Bin Umayyah (radhiyallahu anhu) narrated that Amr Bin Qurrah said (to Rasulullah – sallallahu alayhi wasallam): "I am very unfortunate. I do not see any way for acquiring my rizq except by means of my duff. Therefore, grant me permission to sing (i.e. with my duff) such songs which will be devoid of any immorality (evil).' Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) replied: "I do not give you permission. There is no honour and no goodness (in what you are saying). O enemy of Allah! You are a liar. Most certainly, Allah has ordained for you halaal rizq, but you have chosen what Allah has made haraam for you in place of what He has made halaal for you of the sustenance He has decreed for you." (Baihqi, Tibraani, Dailmi)

(25) Hadhrat Ibn Abbaas (radhiyallahu anhu) narrated that Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said: "On the Day of Qiyaamah, Allah Azza Wa Jal will proclaim: "Where are those who had protected their ears and their eyes from the musical instruments of shaitaan?" (Allah Ta'ala will instruct the Malaaikah): "Separate them (from the multitudes of people)." They (the Angels) will separate them, and have them seated on dunes of musk and ambergris then Allah Ta'ala will say to the Malaaikah: "Recite to them My Tasbeeh and My Tamjeed." The Malaaikah will then recite to them with such beautiful voices, the likes of which no one had ever heard." This Hadith has been narrated by Allaamah Ibn Hajar Makki from Dailmi. The Sahaabi narrating it is Hadhrat Ibn Abbaas (radhiyallahu anhu). Allaamah Ali Muttaqi also narrates this Hadith, but from the Sahaabi, Hadhrat Jaabir (radhiyallahu anhu)-Kanzul Ummaal. Allamah Muhammad Bin Muhammad Maghribi narrates this Hadith from Hadhrat Bin Al-Munkadir (Jam'ul Fawaaid). Imaam Tha-aalabi also narrates it from Muhammad Bin Al-Munkadir, but from Ibn Wahab. – (Jawaahirul Hassaan) Those who indulge in the haraam music and singing of this world, will be denied the music of Jannat.

(26) Hadhrat Abu Musa Ash'ari (radhiyallahu anhu) narrated that Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said: "Whoever listens to the sound of singing, he will not be given permission to listen to the (beautiful) voices of the Ruhaaniyyeen in Jannat." When it was asked: 'Who are the Ruhaaniyyeen?' Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said: "The Qaaris of Jannat." (Kanzul Ummaal) In his Tafseer, Imaam Qurtubi comments: "We have mentioned this Hadith in Kitaabut Tathkirah along with other similar examples. Thus, he who consumes wine will be denied the pure drink (of Jannat) in the Aakhirah. He who wears silk will not wear silk in the Aakhirah, etc. All this is correct in meaning……"

(27) Hadhrat Ibn Umar (radhiyallahu anhu) narrates: "Nabi (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) prohibited singing and listening to singing, and (he also prohibited) gossip." (Kaf-fur Ruaa')

(28) Zaid Bin Arqam (radhiyallahu anhu) narrates: "Once a youth while singing passed by Nabi (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) who was walking in a street of Madinah. Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said: 'Alas! O young man! Why do you not sing with the Qur'aan (i.e. recite it beautifully instead of singing songs)?' He repeated this statement several times." (Dailmi)

(29) Hadhrat Abu Umaamah (radhiyallahu anhu) narrates that Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said: "When someone raises his voice with singing, Allah sends two shaitaans who sit on his shoulders striking his breast with their heels until he stops (singing)." (Tibraani)

(30) Hadhrat Abdur Rahmaan Bin Auf (radhiyallahu anhu) narrated that Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said: "I have forbidden two ignorant immoral voices: (The first)- the sounds of futility at the time of merrymaking, and the musical instruments of shaitaan. (The second)- the wailing sounds at the time of calamity when the face is struck and the garments are torn." (Haakim in Mustadrak)

(31) Hadhrat Abu Hurairah (radhiyallahu anhu) narrates that Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said: "The bell is among the musical instruments of shaitaan." (Abu Dawood)

(32) Kisaan narrates that Hadhrat Muaawiyyah (radhiyallahu anhu) stated in his Khutbah: "Verily, Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) forbade seven things, and I too forbid you from these things. Know that these things are: Loud wailing (on occasions of death), singing, pictures………" (Tibraani)

(33) In a lengthy Hadith narrated by Hadhrat Abu Umaamah (radhiyallahu anhu), it is mentioned that on the occasion of the expulsion of shaitaan from the heaven and his exile to earth, he (Iblees) supplicated to Allah Ta'ala: "O my Rabb! You have exiled me to earth and you have made me accursed………Now, therefore bestow to me a caller (who can call to my path).' Allah Ta'ala said: "(Your caller) is musical instruments……….." (Tibraani)

(34) Allaamah Qurtubi, in his Tafseer, narrates the following Hadith: "Verily, once when Abdullah Bin Mas'ud (radhiyallahu anhu) heard someone singing, he hastily left the place. This reached Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam). He thereupon commented: 'Indeed, Ibn Umm Abd (i.e. Abdullah Ibn Mas'ud) is an honourable abd (slave of Allah)." Two salient facts emerge from this Hadith: one- Hadhrat Abdullah Bin Mas'ud (radhiyallahu anhu) was aware of the prohibition of music and singing, hence he hastily left the place. Two- Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) approved of his action and commended him. This too clearly indicates the evil of singing and music.

(35) Hadhrat Abu Burzah (radhiyallahu anhu) narrated: "We were with the Nabi (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) on a journey when he heard two men singing. The one was responding to the other (by means of singing poetry). Nabi (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) then said: 'Look who these two are.' They (the Sahaabah) said: 'They are so and so (naming them).' Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) then cursed, saying: 'O Allah! Cast them upside down in Jahannum." (Majmauz Zawaaid) The gravity of the prohibition of singing and music should be apparent from the vehemence of the curse of Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam).

(36) Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said: "Verily, Allah Ta'ala sent me as a Mercy and a Guide to the worlds, and He has commanded me to destroy musical instruments……"

(37) Hadhrat Abu Hurairah (radhiyallahu anhu) narrates: "Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said: 'Verily, the bell is of the musical instruments of shaitaan." (Muslim and Abu Dawood)

(38) Hadhrat Abu Hurairah (radhiyallahu anhu) narrated that Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said: "The Malaaikah do no associate with a group in which there is a dog or a bell." (Muslim and Abu Dawood)

(39) Hadhrat Aishah (radhiyallahu anha) narrated: "Verily, Nabi (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) instructed that all bells be cut off from the necks of the camels on the Day of Badr." (Musnad Ahmad)

(40) Hadhrat Umar (radhiyallahu anhu) narrated: "I heard Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) saying: "Verily, with every bell is a shaitaan." (Abu Dawood) The tinkling and jingling of bells are also associated with shaitaani music, hence the stringent prohibition.

Now that these numerous Ahaadith in which Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) severely condemns music and singing has dawned on those who lacked awareness, there cannot be a Muslim with a healthy Imaan who will still believe in the permissibility of the voice of shaitaan.

[Extracted from: Sautush Shaitaan]

 

[God_Is_Formless]

 

[rainerann]

This is one of those subjects that I don't see how there isn't a significant amount of evidence available to prove that this isn't true. Sound is one of the most profound subjects of study that exists. We only understand a fraction of what can be understood about this subject. Most of this understanding has come through music before the modern scientific age.

Some musicians have been absolutely brilliant, sober people without any indication of insanity to suggest that there was something to be concerned with in regard to the subject of music. Music is a very mathematical subject, which would make sense when you consider the properties of sound.

This is the trigonometric sine function, which can be seen in so many waves mathematically. Basically, sound ways have a mathematical equivalent. The song can be determined to have a function that we can plot on a graph in this way. The sine function is based on the unit circle as a baseline. It is absolutely amazing and to oppress the subject of music is to suppress the opportunity to understand things like this. It ultimately suppresses the truth because this is truth. To reject music is to reject truth or to say math is also evil.

Music is also a universal language. People in the most remote places will have established a unique musical style. This has been a way for people to celebrate long before we had any of the forms of entertainment we have.

It is like the phrase about how laughter is good medicine. Music is good medicine. Listening to music makes people want to laugh and have a good time, and this is good for the soul. This does have something to do with how the body responds to sound. We respond in a positive way to sound evidenced by the universal presence of music.

Music has such a separate presence from religion that we are able to study and see that the evidence will never support a world without music. It is just impossible to make a reasonable case for this when you consider the impact music has made in alleviating suffering and gifting people with the opportunity to see life in a more limitless way.

 

[God_Is_Formless]

I appreciate your input, thanks.

However, consider this:

God Always Existed.

Music is nothing more than sound.

God Created everything, all sounds included.

Now, can a musical instrument generate sound on its own? No, Only God Can Create a sound and Attach it to what He Wills.

So, even if it's considered to be normative that a musical instrument generates a particular sound, it makes you forget God Almighty.

Perhaps you don't believe in the account of who it was who first invented the first musical instrument, which is the flute and why he did so?

 

[Mr.Grieves]

Muslims know that for the believers whom God will grant Paradise there will be delicious wine that causes neither intoxication nor headache

We have that here on earth. It's called 'fruit punch'.

 

[God_Is_Formless]

We have that here on earth. It's called 'fruit punch'.

The point being that true enjoyment isn't really to be found on Earth.

 

[rainerann]

Abstaining from music initially is beneficial because it allows reflection on the subject. However, after a while it becomes vanity because the challenge in disciplining yourself to abstain from music diminishes and so vanity replaces this. Therefore, it would be better to develop some kind of conclusion that allows for music in an appropriate way because including music introduces a new challenge that prevents vain worship.

Idolatry is prevented by the pursuit of truth. If you are no longer challenged in a spiritual discipline, than you are no longer pursuing truth.

Music is a sensory experience, so it could be true that it is similar to taste. Some things taste good. Some things are poisonous. Some things sound good. Sometimes sound is not good and can create harm. White noise is an example of harmful sound.

However, if we believe that sound is a function of the creation. For me, I believe that sound was how the world was created which is evidenced by how energy waves are similar in structure to sounds waves. It could be possible to theorize that energy waves are derived from sound waves and determine whether sound was a point of origin for all other wave patterns seen in the creation.

Therefore, it is also possible to see sound as a form of energy. This energy needs to be handled in a certain manner as all energy needs to be handled in a certain way. A live wire is deadly, but we cannot transport energy without them, and then we would have no electricity.

Therefore, it is possible to recognize that some forms of sound create a positive effect or a positive energy whether we are in this life or the one to come. Being in this world does not mean we cannot enjoy things like this.

 

[God_Is_Formless]

Being in this world does not mean we cannot enjoy things like this.

You clearly do not believe that Satan is the one who invented the flute as a means to make people break God's Commandments.

Let me remind you that the people of Seth (On him be Prayers and Peace) were divided into two groups.

The Commandment at the time was that the two groups should never ever mingle.

When Satan invented the flute, it became a means whereby the two people were tempted to want to know from where the sound came from.

They eventually came to where Satan was playing the flute. The two people saw each other and God's Commandment was forgotten.

The people could have had the conscious thought that Only God Can Create such a sound when they first heard the flute's sound being played.

But they did not. Having been invented by Satan, it clearly has a negative effect on the subconscious which makes you forget God Almighty.

And God Almighty Certainly Knows Best that true enjoyment is not for this ephemeral life. It's rather for the afterlife where it will last forever.

 

[rainerann]

You clearly do not believe that Satan is the one who invented the flute as a means to make people break God's Commandments.

Let me remind you that the people of Seth (On him be Prayers and Peace) were divided into two groups.

The Commandment at the time was that the two groups should never ever mingle.

When Satan invented the flute, it became a means whereby the two people were tempted to want to know from where the sound came from.

They eventually came to where Satan was playing the flute. The two people saw each other and God's Commandment was forgotten.

The people could have had the conscious thought that Only God Can Create such a sound when they first heard the flute's sound being played.

But they did not. Having been invented by Satan, it clearly has a negative effect on the subconscious which makes you forget God Almighty.

And God Almighty Certainly Knows Best that true enjoyment is not for this ephemeral life. It's rather for the afterlife where it will last forever.

I know the book of Enoch talks of these things. Writing was also invented by Satan according to this. Writing was a way to deceive people according to the book of Enoch. It is true that writing is a way to deceive people considering what we know about the effect propaganda has on people.

However, this doesn't prove that playing music disobeyed God's commands. We don't know that the other camp was commanded to not sing or play some kind of beat. A beat that is almost a natural inclination of many people in remote place. We just know that it says that the camp that was not following God's commands made music with a flute by the direction of Satan. This doesn't mean they weren't permitted to make music. It means that the other camp continued to follow Satan instead of repenting.

When the people were in the wilderness and Moses had gone up to Mount Sinai to receive the commands of God. The people were delivered from Egypt with miracles. They were given holidays. They would be given a calendar that would give them many days off, a Sabbath every week, they were given manna from Heaven, jewels and riches from Egypt, the law would have a day of cancelling debt, etc., etc., etc. They were given everything like any other nation in many ways. Food, clothes, wealth. However, for whatever reason, they turned their gold into a calf. This was the gold they were given by God. They used it to make an idol. By doing this they served the Devil with what they were given by God's grace.

Music seems to be very similar based on observation of natural behavior of people throughout history. This flute that you describe is like the golden calf. They served the Devil with something God had given to them and used it to lead other people astray.

Therefore, it is a difficult spiritual objective to distinguish what can be used as an offering to God and what cannot be used as an offering in regard to this subject, but the root issue is not that music is bad, and it possible to become spiritually mature and able to distinguish the difference between the two camps. The flute is just a counterfeit of what God has given us to enjoy. We were never commanded to not make music for the Lord. We were commanded to not follow the Devil. There is a difference.

 

[rainerann]

You don't even need a flute or an instrument to make music demonstrated by this step group, just like you don't need a pen to deceive anyone either. Really, what this story of the flute is teaching is to not be deceived by technological advancements and led to believe that there is no God because of them, more than it is a reason to prohibit music or writing. It is like the story of the tower of Babel. When they built the tower, they told themselves nothing would be impossible to them. Does this mean we shouldn't build homes to shelter ourselves from the cold and rain? Absolutely not. It means these people were disobedient. Just like the story of the flute is teaching. Those people were disobedient.

This is a legitimate warning. Since the beginning of the computer age, artificial intelligence has been pursued. It is likely that creating many of these things proves that there is no God for some. However, does using a computer prove that there is no God for you? No, probably not. Is this even at risk? No, probably not. Do you use your computer to further grow in your understanding of God? Probably yes, so is the computer the problem or the choice of man to serve the Devil with the same device you use to seek Him? No, the computer is not the problem.

Music is the same thing. Music is a naturally occurring phenomenon. We are only responsible for who we choose to serve, God or the Devil. Serving God will not remove the desire for music because music is not created by the Devil. This illustration of the flute only demonstrates that the Devil often creates a counterfeit of something God has already given us. Do we use what God has given us or do we follow the Devil's lies and make a flute creating a relationship with the Devil.

We use what God has given us and He has clearly given us the opportunity to make music. People wouldn't be able to sing if this weren't true.

 

[God_Is_Formless]

Well, still appreciating your input, but even then, i have this last thing to say to you

Love of this world is the root of all evil

It is a hadith in Bayhaqi’s Shuʿab al-Iman, traced back to al-Hasan al-Basri, who ascribes it to the Prophet, peace and blessings of God be upon him. The vast majority of the narrations from al-Hasan are considered authentic.
It has also been ascribed to the Prophet Jesus peace be upon him [Abu Nuʿaym, Hilya; Bayhaqi, Zuhd].

Does music promote love of this world?

Yes.