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Hey guys I saw the recent vlive of bt$ bcuz I wanted to check out sug@'s behavior(bcuz of the cloning theory). There was definitely something off with JK and the whole group was just oozing with cockiness especially rm, jh0pe and $uga. Apparently, their new song has taken billboard no 1 place for 5 weeks.
Personally, I don't get the huge hype about their new song their older ones were way better.
But its clear that they ain't going anywhere soon
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They're expanding and bringing more Hybe to America, Japan and Korea.
 

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Bap is shown controlled with wire here, being shot with bullet and dying; showing overuse of pills and drowing in bathtub water, similar to Bts I need you mv. But I don't see them rising in fame nor being sacrificed. How you differentiate signs and concept? What is the main difference in them with symbols for rising fame?
Bap have some problem with their company TS ent , that's why they didn't became huge
 

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Their problem was financial. The agency didn't pay them well and violated civil rights. So the boys sued the company
How can it explain the questions I asked about symbols being similar? That has no relation with their success and real life? They were just hard working idols and weren't paid for 40 months, couldn't see their parents and TS invaded their privacy and stole their personal phone. They have some typical "signs" but that seem to be just aesthetic and concept, nothing more looking at their success then, where is the difference with top group like bts? What kind of behind the scene "work" they do go on top?
Idk for an older gen group they have a really good amount of views...maybe they were overshadowed by other successful groups in their time but I'm not sure.
 

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Ahhh I see, showing "typical sign" or "save me sign" still flop, but they themselves took break from work and sued the company for justice.
Maybe they could also be involved in cult but still not be famous. Honestly there are so many possibilities but we just don't know enough to make solid statement,, hopefully we can all agree on that.
 

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Something is causing more Armys to wake up. There's also a lot of complaints about Butter.
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honestly jk seems to be distant from all of them recently. and in their recent live v was completely ignoring jk. and he looked so distant from the group only RM and jin seem to acknowledge him. dunno whats going on. and jm acting cute is annoying to watch :confused:
 

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honestly jk seems to be distant from all of them recently. and in their recent live v was completely ignoring jk. and he looked so distant from the group only RM and jin seem to acknowledge him. dunno whats going on. and jm acting cute is annoying to watch :confused:
v ignoring jk for once? a rare moment in history. its normally v coming over to bother jk. and of course jin and rm are the only ones that pay attention to him. back then theyd pay special attention to jk since he was still a minor but now hes grown up they suddenly pulled a 360 degrees.
 

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Ahh too easy....there's no difference in many signs that certainly don't help to grow in fame. Then, what they do really to go on top?
I haven't seen any seductive food with BAP. One difference found. I haven't seen them lying on pillow, using feline with seduction; no "peaches nd cream" lyrics from them, Some difference found
And honestly, I haven't seen any cult sign from them, only pure concept.
Youre right.. there are many other groups with worse symbolism but they dont get far with fame, but just because they aren't at the top with bts and all doesn't mean they weren't nobodies. Im sure they had their share of fame and with that some disadvantages. And even if it was just a concept there is no reason to support them, they probably would have gotten worse if they had gotten anymore fame.
I dont believe that all idols sell their soul as soon as they debut but there are times when smaller groups just get viral out of nowhere. Or when they suddenly make a hit viral song with a small entertainment company and significantly more or darker symbolism. For me its Red Velvet, with all their blatant witchcraft going on their music videos you would think they would be as famous as Blackpink. Alas, no. But they are still one of the more popular k-ggs in the world.
Or maybe its because of the music... Im sure most people would have preferred bts music over bap, just to simplify things. With better music and visuals it would be easier to brainwash fans.
 
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v ignoring jk for once? a rare moment in history. its normally v coming over to bother jk. and of course jin and rm are the only ones that pay attention to him. back then theyd pay special attention to jk since he was still a minor but now hes grown up they suddenly pulled a 360 degrees.
maybe he's tired of doing fan service ..
 

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Ladies code(hate you) and VIXX(voodoo doll) showed more disgusting voodoo dolls, which is a form witchcraft in their mvs, but they are nowhere near popular groups; moreover getting banned for showing violence


But what fans saying:
"It confuses me why Wheesung's song was banned for the lyrics "Love is delicious" while miss A's new song 'Hush' has a line that says, "You're more delicious than a lollilollilollipop", which hasn't been caught yet; Does the ministry ban songs as they please.. What are the standards?"

"So these guys can't do it but Troublemaker's choreography is okay? "

"Why is it okay for girl groups to shake their butts in revealing clothes and Troublemaker to perform their choreography but not VIXX? What are the standards? "


You see where it leads to, anything is possible if you please and f*** hard $ugar d@ddies. Blackpink has "Icecream" and Red velvet has extremely sensual song, eg icecream cake where lyrics goes like this--

Please give me that sweet taste, ice cream cake
With a flavor that fits this special day
The ice cream that’s on my mouth
Makes your heart pound and you'll come to me
It’s so tasty come and chase me
I can't hold it in
I scream, you scream
Gimme that, gimme that, ice cream

Pops, it's melting in my mouth, putting so much in
That it'll feel like my mouth is melting down
Honestly I don't think it's related to symbolism in their mvs and songs there are plenty of groups who use dark symbolisms in their mvs but they don't make it big at the end of the day it's all about business, marketing and investment. M1ss A are from a big company that's why they didn't face as much backlash as Vixx which are from a smaller company.
Bt5 and black p1nk made it big because they are more marketable towards the west
These are the factors in my opinion which made bt5 big
1- They had a strong social media presence since their rookie days
2- their mvs and songs even though they did not contain heavy symbolisms before bst were about rebellion against society e.g no more dream was a criticism of sk education system. Satan loves Chaos and breaking of social norms in the occult breaking social taboos is considered one of their favourite tasks. That's why you see these campaigns today encouraging people to be "different" do something that "defies cultural norms".
3- They had a sob story and the west loves sob stories plus Hyb3 keeps marketing them as victims who fought against a system that favours the rich and privileged groups in an increasingly liberal western society with high levels of income inequality this message was more appealing to the young people in America
4- They were known as a self produced group another thing that appeals to the west.
5- Hyb3's slogan "Music and artists for healing" was also appealing to western countries as they are obsessed with "meaningful music full of propagandas"
6- All of them are irreligious or atheist and their concepts after bst were based on literature/scientific theories in favor of atheism
7- They are mediocre in terms of actual singing and dancing talent which makes them less of a threat to western artists.
8- They make radio friendly music with easy choreographies and even when they make interesting music it is backed by some liberal pseudo intellectual lyrics about "self love" or "self actualization"


At the end of the day it's more about marketing than occultic symbooisms Red velvet isn't as popular as Black P1nk or Twice because 5m sucks at marketing despite red velvet having more dark symbolisms in their mvs same reason why x-0 didn't blow up
 

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Honestly I don't think it's related to symbolism in their mvs and songs there are plenty of groups who use dark symbolisms in their mvs but they don't make it big at the end of the day it's all about business, marketing and investment. M1ss A are from a big company that's why they didn't face as much backlash as Vixx which are from a smaller company.
Bt5 and black p1nk made it big because they are more marketable towards the west
These are the factors in my opinion which made bt5 big
1- They had a strong social media presence since their rookie days
2- their mvs and songs even though they did not contain heavy symbolisms before bst were about rebellion against society e.g no more dream was a criticism of sk education system. Satan loves Chaos and breaking of social norms in the occult breaking social taboos is considered one of their favourite tasks. That's why you see these campaigns today encouraging people to be "different" do something that "defies cultural norms".
3- They had a sob story and the west loves sob stories plus Hyb3 keeps marketing them as victims who fought against a system that favours the rich and privileged groups in an increasingly liberal western society with high levels of income inequality this message was more appealing to the young people in America
4- They were known as a self produced group another thing that appeals to the west.
5- Hyb3's slogan "Music and artists for healing" was also appealing to western countries as they are obsessed with "meaningful music full of propagandas"
6- All of them are irreligious or atheist and their concepts after bst were based on literature/scientific theories in favor of atheism
7- They are mediocre in terms of actual singing and dancing talent which makes them less of a threat to western artists.
8- They make radio friendly music with easy choreographies and even when they make interesting music it is backed by some liberal pseudo intellectual lyrics about "self love" or "self actualization"


At the end of the day it's more about marketing than occultic symbooisms Red velvet isn't as popular as Black P1nk or Twice because 5m sucks at marketing despite red velvet having more dark symbolisms in their mvs same reason why x-0 didn't blow up
True true, also the fact that bts's success was planned from the start. They were made for the popularity.
 

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Ladies code(hate you) and VIXX(voodoo doll) showed more disgusting voodoo dolls, which is a form witchcraft in their mvs, but they are nowhere near popular groups; moreover getting banned for showing violence


But what fans saying:
"It confuses me why Wheesung's song was banned for the lyrics "Love is delicious" while miss A's new song 'Hush' has a line that says, "You're more delicious than a lollilollilollipop", which hasn't been caught yet; Does the ministry ban songs as they please.. What are the standards?"

"So these guys can't do it but Troublemaker's choreography is okay? "

"Why is it okay for girl groups to shake their butts in revealing clothes and Troublemaker to perform their choreography but not VIXX? What are the standards? "


You see where it leads to, anything is possible if you please and f*** hard $ugar d@ddies. Blackpink has "Icecream" and Red velvet has extremely sensual song, eg icecream cake where lyrics goes like this--

Please give me that sweet taste, ice cream cake
With a flavor that fits this special day
The ice cream that’s on my mouth
Makes your heart pound and you'll come to me
It’s so tasty come and chase me
I can't hold it in
I scream, you scream
Gimme that, gimme that, ice cream

Pops, it's melting in my mouth, putting so much in
That it'll feel like my mouth is melting down
From what i know Redvelvets monster was extremely censored too...it was supposed to be more creepy and explicit than it already was. Coincidentally the mv also had creepy dolls in it.
 
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honestly jk seems to be distant from all of them recently. and in their recent live v was completely ignoring jk. and he looked so distant from the group only RM and jin seem to acknowledge him. dunno whats going on. and jm acting cute is annoying to watch :confused:
It's sad watching Jm acting cute when everyone else is more serious. They look amused or annoyed with him. I wonder what's happening in Jk life that's causing him to look so serious. I wonder if he's "matured" like Tae. It's possible staff are pushing this delulu, "everyone is happy" stuff.
v ignoring jk for once? a rare moment in history. its normally v coming over to bother jk. and of course jin and rm are the only ones that pay attention to him. back then theyd pay special attention to jk since he was still a minor but now hes grown up they suddenly pulled a 360 degrees.
I don't want to assume why they gave him so much attention. It's possible they felt bad for him being so young in that industry.
 

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It's sad watching Jm acting cute when everyone else is more serious. They look amused or annoyed with him. I wonder what's happening in Jk life that's causing him to look so serious. I wonder if he's "matured" like Tae. It's possible staff are pushing this delulu, "everyone is happy" stuff.

I don't want to assume why they gave him so much attention. It's possible they felt bad for him being so young in that industry.
abuse and fame changing him
 

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What you said I completely understood. But just with these concepts they can't go top and reach America. Otherwise BAP would be famous in America already. Moreover...

1. Other groups are more handsome and has strong appearance than btes, look them up.

2. They blew up in America after using demian book. And that monster recommended armys to read that book and let me tell you Ive read that and its purely about how to change your preconcieved notion of religion and start to think bad stuffs as good, eg in the book it says Cain is good from the perspective of he is more strong and has power over Abel to survive. At one point of the book it justifies a murderers action. The book explains how a good household Christian boy started to embrace the dark world and he gradually became addict to drink, started to worship the mother of his best friend Demian and he found all his happiness and desirable warmth in her. At the end of the story demian kissed sinclair(the main character) and said its the kiss of her mother and continued the bullsh*t how its spiritually awakening and life saving. I wonder what kind book is this to recommend fans where many are 12-17 years old and armys did empty the stock of this book from libraries.

3. Other groups also promote sobe concept, they don't blow up in America.

4. If you look at groups like BAP, BTOB, VIXX they have more meaningful concept. They didn't blow up in America.

5. More than half of the population is irreligious in south korea and their lifestyle is very secular, its not anything exclusive to rise up in fame.

6. Why I talked about demian-- you say bst is just based on fiction, but Ive nowhere seen to say "peaches and cream" in the book. And look up for the choreography of this part, thats not based on book, there weren't any mention of having sex in the entire book, let alone saying anything in detail. And don't forget the symbol of initiation in masonry where someone blindfolds the apprentice, its not based on book. Back them 2017 t4e did admit he became apprentice and so his father gifted him a Swedish watch.

7. About symbols, I don't think exaggerated symbols have any meaning. Eg, anyone doing one eye sign won't make them satanic. Anyone getting shot or showing blood won't make them ''gonna be sacrifice". In fact, artists being sacrificed for another artist is exaggerated and dubious theory. Or symbols like someone is mind controlled, cloned etc is purely fictional. Someone showing abit skull and voodoo dolls won't make them occultic.

But not everything is meaningless. You really can't say some symbols food eg and sexual lyrics don't have any meaning. What I quoted about icecream, this is a message for $ugar daddies. Ive done some research on ladies code, BAP, BTOB, VIXX, who did show typical dark signs, but lyrics and mvs were perfectly matched with each other, not anything like using demian book concept and suddenly singing peaches and cream. I haven't seen any sexual disturbing message from any of them, not from the mvs, lyrics, concept, jacket shooting etc But when look at some groups who rise up too fast eg, Blackpink boombayah, look at the choreography of "I don't want a boy, I need a man" You can't say its not calling. Btes did show feline print, lying on bed and they did look like boys in massage parlor, I haven't seen anything like this from those groups. Btes write their own music right? don't y'all see the lyrics they write by themselves ----

I haven't seen anyone from BAP, BTOB, VIXX, Ladies code doing serious blasphemy where btes sings eg "God don't have manner". I haven't seen anyone from them singing like btes "Placed myself as graded cut meat, I just wanted to be famous"
it just shows their desperation to go on top by su**ing d***. Icecream, filled with disturbing lyrics with childs theme, and sk isn't innocent about underage people. Remember the biggest Child porn site was ran by a 23 years old south korean man, which contained huge 8 terabytes of videos of child abuse and sex.
Just imagine how many childrean were abused and how many abusers were there in those videos. Remember hyuna made an mv showing some signs in the industry, underages are being sexualized, just scroll through some of some comments unde the video thats enough
Don't forget all p3dophile and sexual messages from btes, from dynamite and butter, you can't find this sorta theme in other groups. All those interviews with code words and b0y lov3r sign, aren't seen in not so famous groups.
Btes is always called next beatles even by American interviewers right?
Don't think they aren't in stuff like this after those p3do symbols
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And you say they need to appeal hollywood people to get in America, remember Hollyweird is a huge circus of p3dofiles and something like this appeals those p3dos. See how comment section is turned off, many people are aware of the bizarre situation of hollyweird. Remember Icecream truck means male prostitution+child traffickers, donut and childlike food symbols to show children, see by youself.
You have to be discreet whom you follow, they aren't nice people and not just businessman.
off course there are many groups better than Bts, the list is long
 

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I apologize if this comes across as off-topic, although I feel like it's on topic enough to not be weirdly out of place...

Before I get going with this, I know I've been super inactive on here for a really, really long time. I don't think I'll be able to get caught up with the discussion since the time I disappeared so I'm sorry for missing so much of what you guys have said!

Lately I've been thinking about how the heck BT$ got so popular. They came from a crazy tiny company that was on the brink of bankruptcy. They were talented but their production was meh, their music was meh. They caught my attention cause they were unique and weren't famous (yet). But even back then, I wasn't that interested. Based on the interactions I had with other casual fans/listeners, and even people who were buying their music and listening to it all the time, their fanbase was small and normal acting. Their fans didn't take them that seriously, just liked the music and that was that.

Then all of a sudden, 2017 kicks off with EVERYTHING about BT$. They got some decent success and following with the HYYH albums, and a bit more with Wings. But their following even back then was still small and not that intense. It really looks like overnight they went from moderately known to crazy popular. And I seriously doubt that being on Ellen was what skyrocketed them.

PD either bought their fame, or bribed a bunch of big-shots in television to promote the hell out of them, OR he also did something very dubious to increase their luck at fame. I'm generally not one to believe in spiritual or otherworldly things, but it is just way too bizarre that they exploded in fame the way they did.

And it really bothers me the way they keep getting all of this fame and fortune when other groups are working their asses off and playing the game fairly, but not seeing even remotely the same success.

And how come the other groups in B!g H!t are still only moderately known? It's like PD is seriously terrible at promoting the other groups he made, without using some dubious means to make them successful. You would think that groups like TXT, GFriend, would rise dramatically in popularity because of being associated with B!g H!t. But nope. That also leads me to believe that he did some kind of sacrifice or some other weird thing to jumpstart BT$. But also, why? Why was it so necessary for BT$ to be the ones that get that jumpstart?

On another note, I'd be shocked if BT$ willfully disband this year, or ever, for that matter. There's no way with all the brainwashing that they would disband. What will most likely happen, is one of the members will do something so scandalous that BH can't cover it up no matter how hard they try. And just like what happened with Big B@ng, that member will get kicked out of the group. BT$'s followers/fans will have heart attacks about them not being OT7 anymore. Their popularity will plummet. The ejected member will have a strong following still of fans who "forgive him". Slowly BT$ will drift farther and farther into the background. Then another member will do something scandalous, and that will spell the end of BT$. Someone (probably YG or TH) will go solo out of disgust over what's going on. Whoever goes solo won't stay with BH either, they'll move to a different label, or go indie. At that point, the remaining members will try to hang on but wither away just like Super Juni0r did. And that will be the most probable end of BT$.
 
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