Why is Feminism much worse than Cancer nowadays that is caused by women which keeps most men single?

[Drifter]

The original text of Genesis 2:18 is even more enlightening. According to biblical scholar David Freedman, the Hebrew word translated there into English as “help” is ezer. This word is a combination of two roots, one meaning “to rescue,” “to save,” and the other meaning “to be strong.” Just as the roots merged into one word, so did their meanings. At first ezer meant either “to save” or “to be strong,” but in time, said Freedman, ezer “was always interpreted as ‘to help,’ a mixture of both nuances. Ezer appears twenty-one times in the Old Testament.”
In contrast, k’enegdo, another Hebrew word used in Genesis 2:18 to describe Eve, appears only once. Freedman pointed out that in late rabbinical commentaries k’enegdo means “equal” and stated that in his view “there is no basis for translating k’enegdo as ‘fit’ or ‘appropriate,’ as the traditional translators do when they describe the woman as a ‘fit helper.’” He concluded, “When God creates Eve . . . , His intent is that she will be—unlike the animals—‘a power (or strength) equal to him.’”4
Thus, it seems that through imprecise translation, our understanding of the powerful words used originally to describe Eve’s role have been diminished. As a result, our understanding of the intended role of Mother Eve has also been diminished. Suppose we had all, male and female alike, been taught to understand Genesis 2:18 as something like the following: “It is not good that man should be alone. I will make him a companion of strength and power, who has a saving power and is equal with him.”

Your stubborn refusal to acknowledge your “partners” as equal and yourego based need to be special will see you all rot in hell for creating false images of the god you claim to worship.

I just posted about the Hebrew before seing this but thanks for going into detail. I doubt @KoncreteMind over here wouldve bothered looking it up. His name is apt.

Exactly. We are punished because MEN fucked up. Men continue fucking up so we say “we’ll just handle this on our own” and seize back SOME of the power they were given over us.. and we are the bad guys because of it yet again. It’s always a woman’s fault. Men Apparantly are incapable of taking responsibility and accountability for their own shit ever since the beginning of time.

KM - the rest of the Bible tells you to partner with us, cherish us and treat us with love caring and respect. For some reason certain types of men have selective reading. You aren’t granted the privilege of ruling without earning it. Being born with a cock isn’t an accomplishment.

Wish I could like this a million times.

 

[KoncreteMind]

God cursed men the same as he cursed women KM. Your bound to hell with the rest of us lest you wise up and figure out what he actually wanted - which it seems you are far from doing.

He cursed us for listening to you and cursed you for listening to the serpent. The rest of your post is Christian talk. You should know by now that’s not the wave I’m on.

no man is putting a battery in my back km, when men abdicate their responsibilities (breaking gods orders btw atleast according to your own view) and women step in and handle it instead because someone’s gotta take care of the kids even if daddy can’t be bothered to that is reclaiming power, not being granted it. If you granted it to us you wouldn’t have spent the last 100 years whining that we had it.

Men are the battery in the feminist movements back for sure. Without them nothing they did would have ever gained traction. Men are in control of the media and they’re using the media they control to give feminism a push. It’s all (luciferian)men’s doing but once they go away it’s back to the natural order of things

And step in and handle what?The women’s liberation movement led to women taking most of their clothes off, putting their sexuality on front street and eventually only fans. That’s stepping up to you?

 

[Drifter]

Ezer is translated as helper. Nothing about equality when you’re the help right? Still don’t buy it?

Genesis 2
But for Adam[f] no suitable helper(AK) was found. 21 So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep;(AL) and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs[g] and then closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib[h](AM) he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.

Adam was made from the earth and you were made from Adam. You’re not equal to Adam. You can look at yourself as equal or even above Adam but the world and most importantly God will NEVER look at you as equal to the man . And by the way I’m talking equal in PURPOSE not VALUE.

Here’s one more since I assume you self identify as a xtian:
1 Cor 11:9
Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.

You were created to help us not compete with us. And one day you (as in the general woman who is blessed enough to make it thru whatever it is that is on the way) you’ll help us again. And when you do you’ll see how much easier your life is made

The better translation for "tsela" is actually "side", not rib. You're going to great lengths to be disingenuous when you pick the English translation (which differs across bibles btw) over the original Hebrew text. Moreover, what verse does God say that women are unequal in purpose? Because if I recall correctly, both the man and the women were told to be fruitful and multiply and to subdue and rule over the earth. The command for dominion was not given until Eve was there and God doesnt exclude her from it. He doesn't tell her that rule is not for her. God doesnt seem to differentiate purpose between the two. Also you forget that the Corinthian scripture comes full circle. It goes on to say that as the women came from the man, so every man alive after Adam has come from women. And that in the Lord, man is not independent of woman and vice versa. The author of that book btw (Paul) partnered with women throughout his ministry. In Romans 16, 10 of the 18 people commended are women. He also refers to these women with the same terms as he does his male ministry workers. His favored term? Co-workers. Also, if women were meant to follow the housewife model, why were women the ones who nearly exclusively funded Jesus' ministry? Paul too, praises a woman named Phoebe as a patron of his. Isnt this women "usurping" the role of men as provider?

 

[Drifter]

KM is such a man’s man that he could go 12 rounds with a silverback

I feel like he and others like him should just date men. Thats literally the manliest kind of relationship with no estrogen-fuelled woman to detract from his masculinity.

 

[justjess]

Ezer is translated as helper. Nothing about equality when you’re the help right? Still don’t buy it?

Genesis 2
But for Adam[f] no suitable helper(AK) was found. 21 So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep;(AL) and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs[g] and then closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib[h](AM) he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.

Adam was made from the earth and you were made from Adam. You’re not equal to Adam. You can look at yourself as equal or even above Adam but the world and most importantly God will NEVER look at you as equal to the man . And by the way I’m talking equal in PURPOSE not VALUE.

Here’s one more since I assume you self identify as a xtian:
1 Cor 11:9
Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.

You were created to help us not compete with us. And one day you (as in the general woman who is blessed enough to make it thru whatever it is that is on the way) you’ll help us again. And when you do you’ll see how much easier your life is made

You must have skimmed how shocking... do you never help your female partners? Does helping them make you beneath them? You missed the whole rest of the etymological definition btw. Cherry picked to support your point.

mate by the way means one from a matched set. The other half which makes one whole. We are supposed to help eachother. The only people I see in these threads making it a competition are men. They want women to help them but don’t want to do the same in return or think that a woman helping them makes them less then. If we were less than we would not be CAPABLE of “helping” you DUH.

I own a business km (I’m giving you this example bc hopefully it’s less triggering then the realm of male/female relationships). I have six people working at that business, myself included. I handle all the administrative end: accounting, advertising, marketing, running the office. My husband handles sales calls, moving heavy equipment, technical stuff. Our head technician handled the majority of the technical stuff to free my husband up for sales. One laborer is the chimney and roof guy. The other runs pipes. The last is brute strength and is learning the rest. The business does not function without all its parts. It is my job to get the phone to ring and convince people to make an appointment, it is my husbands jobs to turn those appointments into sales so we have income, it is the head techs job to make sure those sales become successfully completed jobs so that people pay their bills. The other three guys can be replaced more easily but each serve a function that is integral to the business running and being successful. It’s a partnership. When one piece isn’t there issues happen. If one of those top three pieces (me, hubby, tech) aren’t there it doesn’t work at all.

stubbornness, pride and ego are sins KM. May the lord have mercy on your soul.

 

[justjess]

He cursed us for listening to you and cursed you for listening to the serpent. The rest of your post is Christian talk. You should know by now that’s not the wave I’m on.



Men are the battery in the feminist movements back for sure. Without them nothing they did would have ever gained traction. Men are in control of the media and they’re using the media they control to give feminism a push. It’s all (luciferian)men’s doing but once they go away it’s back to the natural order of things

And step in and handle what?The women’s liberation movement led to women taking most of their clothes off, putting their sexuality on front street and eventually only fans. That’s stepping up to you?

Your ignoring the fact that women have been silently doing what feminism granted them the “privilege” of doing since the beginning of time. We’ve literally been picking up after men’s bullshit since eden without any credit or respect or appreciation for doing so. Entitlement much?

 

[KoncreteMind]

Lmao google what "ezer kenegdo" means in Hebrew. The English translation is inadequate. You continue to consider feminism revolving around the desire to COMPETE with men when it's really about women being able to operate as their own people and not property. Also fun fact: being different doesn't mean there has to be hierarchy. And if you think the strength differential is what makes men "superior" to women. . . Where does this place human in comparison to much stronger animals? The thing which distinguishes humans from animals that are physically superior is not imaged more in men than in women.

Maybe you can go read the post I made to her instead of me repeating that “help” is “help” no matter how you wanna slice it. You wanting to specifically translate “kenegdo” a certain way when it’s used in the Bible to mean a variety of things is just your bias seeping thru. And when you google that phrase a bunch of feminist sites come up. And of course feminism is ultimately about competition with men. That’s why they think anything men are able to do they should be allowed to do as well.

As far as strength goes yes that’s part of it but also the way we’re wired to think as well.That’s what puts us over animals and ultimately over the women and children.

 

[Drifter]

Maybe you can go read the post I made to her instead of me repeating that “help” is “help” no matter how you wanna slice it. You wanting to specifically translate “kenegdo” a certain way when it’s used in the Bible to mean a variety of things is just your bias seeping thru. And when you google that phrase a bunch of feminist sites come up. And of course feminism is ultimately about competition with men. That’s why they think anything men are able to do they should be allowed to do as well.

As far as strength goes yes that’s part of it but also the way we’re wired to think as well.That’s what puts us over animals and ultimately over the women and children.

Dude, you clearly have no idea how translation works. Hundred of linguists have studied this word and I think I'll take their word over yours. Yes, because the way men are "wired" has been so fantastic for everyone. Question: if that last bit is true, then why are there examples of women being fantastic leaders, some even better than their male counterparts? Why is it that women have been capable of contribution to socety and all while being stifled from reaching their full potential? Surely if this were our "wiring" these women wouldnt even exist. But they do.

 

[Drifter]

I definitely get Alexander and Hephaestion vibes from these dudes

The funny thing is their views are more akin to "devilish" ancient Greece and Rome and the sort of homoerotic thinking that fuelled their preference for same sex encounters than early Christianity. It was largely philosophical sexism but these same men are the ones constantly decrying the West as modern Rome. They're the same on this score except their gods wear different faces.

 

[Drifter]

Yes @KoncreteMind . Women are competing with men to be human.

 

[justjess]

Maybe you can go read the post I made to her instead of me repeating that “help” is “help” no matter how you wanna slice it. You wanting to specifically translate “kenegdo” a certain way when it’s used in the Bible to mean a variety of things is just your bias seeping thru. And when you google that phrase a bunch of feminist sites come up. And of course feminism is ultimately about competition with men. That’s why they think anything men are able to do they should be allowed to do as well.

As far as strength goes yes that’s part of it but also the way we’re wired to think as well.That’s what puts us over animals and ultimately over the women and children.

Men are more impulsive and violent. If anything your closer to animals then women are. That last paragraph is comical. That’s why we have to “rescue” you so often according to the verse you, yourself, posted.

 

[Drifter]

Men are more impulsive and violent. If anything your closer to animals then women are. That last paragraph is comical. That’s why we have to “rescue” you so often according to the verse you, yourself, posted.

Also, it seems to be a distinctly male way of thinking that there can only be one "ruler". The funny thing is, if men and women really do compliment each other and possess different strengths and weaknesses, does it not make more sense to go into equal partnership so that there is a wider variety of skills and ways of thinking? Why does the sexes being different immediately lead to power grabbing? The only thing I can think of is men trying to make God in their image so their attributes can be elevated.

 

[justjess]

Also, it seems to be a distinctly male way of thinking that there can only be one "ruler". The funny thing is, if men and women really do compliment each other and possess different strengths and weaknesses, does it not make more sense to go into equal partnership so that there is a wider variety of skills and ways of thinking? Why does the sexes being different immediately lead to power grabbing? The only thing I can think of is men trying to make God in their image so their attributes can be elevated.

Ancient gods always had a female counterpart. The original jews believed god had a female counterpart. Rulers always have a matched (opposite gender) counterpart. It is supposed to provide balance. And it does when both recognize the others contributions and treat those contributions as equal (because they are). But we are out of whack and have been for a long time.

 

[Maldarker]

Question what do you think of the draft being implemented for women in the US.

 

[Cintra]

Ancient gods always had a female counterpart. The original jews believed god had a female counterpart. Rulers always have a matched (opposite gender) counterpart. It is supposed to provide balance. And it does when both recognize the others contributions and treat those contributions as equal (because they are). But we are out of whack and have been for a long time.

Asherah poles!

They cut them all down.

 

[Drifter]

Question what do you think of the draft being implemented for women in the US.

I personally dont like the idea of conscription for anybody. I think whoever wants to join the military and can make the cut should do it.

 

[justjess]

Question what do you think of the draft being implemented for women in the US.

What do you think of the draft period? Do you think people of either gender should be forced to fight wars they don’t believe in? The day the president stands on the front line is the day I’ll be even remotely okay with war of any sort, but especially the practice of the draft.

 

[KoncreteMind]

You must have skimmed how shocking... do you never help your female partners? Does helping them make you beneath them? You missed the whole rest of the etymological definition btw. Cherry picked to support your point.

Yep women and men are compliments. But men are still the head

Also the word neged in the Bible is used to mean a variety of things.Right or wrong?

mate by the way means one from a matched set. The other half which makes one whole. We are supposed to help eachother. The only people I see in these threads making it a competition are men. They want women to help them but don’t want to do the same in return or think that a woman helping them makes them less then. If we were less than we would not be CAPABLE of “helping” you DUH.

Yes the masculine is the compliment to the feminine and vice versa. You’re still not men’s equal in purpose

I own a business km (I’m giving you this example bc hopefully it’s less triggering then the realm of male/female relationships). I have six people working at that business, myself included. I handle all the administrative end: accounting, advertising, marketing, running the office. My husband handles sales calls, moving heavy equipment, technical stuff. Our head technician handled the majority of the technical stuff to free my husband up for sales. One laborer is the chimney and roof guy. The other runs pipes. The last is brute strength and is learning the rest. The business does not function without all its parts. It is my job to get the phone to ring and convince people to make an appointment, it is my husbands jobs to turn those appointments into sales so we have income, it is the head techs job to make sure those sales become successfully completed jobs so that people pay their bills. The other three guys can be replaced more easily but each serve a function that is integral to the business running and being successful. It’s a partnership. When one piece isn’t there issues happen. If one of those top three pieces (me, hubby, tech) aren’t there it doesn’t work at all.

stubbornness, pride and ego are sins KM. May the lord have mercy on your soul.

I’m not sure how to answer your comparison because it doesn’t relate to what we’re talking about. Yes if you remove one part of say a 6 part machine it will not work properly if at all. How does that relate to men and women not being equal (relating to PURPOSE AND NOT VALUE)?

Seems like stubbornness pride and ego could be applied to you (or anyone with a stance they’re not willing to easily give up). But at the end of the day:

1 Cor 11:9
Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

Take that up with the Creator. I just believe what was written

 

[KoncreteMind]

Dude, you clearly have no idea how translation works. Hundred of linguists have studied this word and I think I'll take their word over yours.

You googled something in 5 minutes and found some info and ran with it. Or are you going to pretend as if you’ve done deep research n what neged means?

Yes, because the way men are "wired" has been so fantastic for everyone. Question: if that last bit is true, then why are there examples of women being fantastic leaders, some even better than their male counterparts? Why is it that women have been capable of contribution to socety and all while being stifled from reaching their full potential? Surely if this were our "wiring" these women wouldnt even exist. But they do.

When have women built something from the ground up and led a society? Men putting a structure in place then a woman stepping into lead for a short amount of time is different than women setting up a structure and then leading it successfully.

Everything you point I’m sure the framework for whatever society they were leading was built by men...

Men are more impulsive and violent. If anything your closer to animals then women are. That last paragraph is comical. That’s why we have to “rescue” you so often according to the verse you, yourself, posted.

They also built everything that makes your life easier remember? I think when I asked you last time what women contributed as a unit that’s when the convo ended... wanna go there again or just bow out?

 

[KoncreteMind]

LUCIFER: A PROBLEM FOR CHRISTIANITY

jdstone.org

You don’t know what you’re talking about.

Maybe you can go throw that at a xtian next time?