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I have been on this site for a long time, was Deathly Hallows, but because of email issues I had to reregister. May I just ask a question, and not be attacked? (I realize I just asked a question)
How do we put it all together? I mean there are some crazy Trumpers on here, and regardless of political belief...I don't support him.
Yet people who think things are being hidden as well as Trump supporters, but also quoting the Bible. How does one reconcile that? I haven't ever heard of the Don quoting the Bible (maybe I missed it).
I am not judging, just asking. I am of the opinion we all have belly buttons and mine isn't better than yours, so your belief is yours, but I feel VC does a very good job of trying to keep his/her opinions out of it. On here...not so much.

Again, I am just asking for my own knowledge, not for lash-back and hate speech at me. I do my best everyday to help and lift people up, but this is just one thing I do not understand.

For the record I am a woman over 40, educator, tattooed, married to a man with 3 three children and in small town middle America. I do not judge people, and really am just interested in learning how people think.
 

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@JustWonderingWTF

I guess “what’s going on?” is a pretty broad question - and it reminds me of a song from my university days…

Also, we have events and trends, conspiracies and false trails coming thick and fast, some connected, some random etc etc. I think it’s very easy for people to become anxious, angry, disillusioned and perplexed the more they look into these things.

I you see the above as symptoms of an underlying condition, looking into what lies behind the surface - I.e. the root causes is actually the most worthwhile and divisive line of enquiry.

You can’t really get too far into root causes before you hit up against worldview. An atheist raised on Ricky Gervais, Schopenhauer and Stephen Fry may interpret things very differently than a person who acknowledges the existence of a spiritual realm. Even within the sphere of “spiritually minded” folk there are those who take an “all is one” eastern approach as well as those who believe in a benevolent God and an evil Satan.

All perspectives on the unseen side of things cannot be true (though all could be false). I find the fact that much of the prophetic passages of the Bible seem to be converging to the kind of world we find ourselves in right now intriguing.

I find it particularly so in the light of the fact that the Bible also contains so much fulfilled prophecy. Given its specificity and accuracy, I don’t doubt that it is a good lens for making sense of what we see right now.
 

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P.s. Politicians of left, right and centre have laid claim to the teachings of the Bible to prop up their soapbox antics over the years. I remember Obama and Trump both trying to lay claim on some kind of stamp of divine authority whilst in power!
 
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Dropped off the face of the earth for a bit...new job. I have been thinking about this, and I am grateful to all the things I have learned on here. I am also a little bothered by a couple of things.
1. Paying for the site, not trying to be cheap and I know we are keeping ads off the site, but if it is for the good of all why is there a fee? Just a question...again not a fight!

2. VC used the term "retarded alien" as a reference to a pic of the month, and that bothers me. Maybe it shouldn't, but I am a teacher, and retarded has been out of use for at least 30ish years. I feel like we can not hope to enlighten people and speak of peace and good, and use hateful or hurtful terms.

Again I am grateful to all I have learned on this site, just worried about maybe commercializing it? I don't know if that is the right term, but hopefully some people understand what I mean.
 
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P.s. Politicians of left, right and centre have laid claim to the teachings of the Bible to prop up their soapbox antics over the years. I remember Obama and Trump both trying to lay claim on some kind of stamp of divine authority whilst in power!
I don't deny you are correct. It just doesn't all go together in my brain, and I would like to think I am somewhat intelligent. I do pay more attention now to things, but having a religious basis and defending Trump (not you but anyone) doesn't seem to mix. Politicians lie, but that is against the very nature of the Bible and/or God is it not? I don't have the answers, I hope someday to ask God myself, but I think our job here is to do the least harm.
 
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Dropped off the face of the earth for a bit...new job. I have been thinking about this, and I am grateful to all the things I have learned on here. I am also a little bothered by a couple of things.
1. Paying for the site, not trying to be cheap and I know we are keeping ads off the site, but if it is for the good of all why is there a fee? Just a question...again not a fight!

2. VC used the term "retarded alien" as a reference to a pic of the month, and that bothers me. Maybe it shouldn't, but I am a teacher, and retarded has been out of use for at least 30ish years. I feel like we can not hope to enlighten people and speak of peace and good, and use hateful or hurtful terms.

Again I am grateful to all I have learned on this site, just worried about maybe commercializing it? I don't know if that is the right term, but hopefully some people understand what I mean.
Since you are a teacher have you ever had your students read 1984 by George Orwell? Well people always comparing what is happening now to that book. I kind of disagree because nowhere in that book were people expected to eat bugs. So this is where we stand. 1984 was a utopian paradise compared to 2022. Also I recommend stop worrying about Trump. If you need something to worry about I suggest worrying about your children being forced to take mandatory poisonous vaccines and phony Ukraine war. Also you can worry about drag queens helping you to teach your students to be transgender and getting sex change. Trump is the least of your worries. No offense but do you think having green hair nose rings and tattoos is setting a good example for your students?
 
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I don't deny you are correct. It just doesn't all go together in my brain, and I would like to think I am somewhat intelligent. I do pay more attention now to things, but having a religious basis and defending Trump (not you but anyone) doesn't seem to mix. Politicians lie, but that is against the very nature of the Bible and/or God is it not? I don't have the answers, I hope someday to ask God myself, but I think our job here is to do the least harm.
I’m not in the states so I don’t get to vote, but I would find it very hard to vote for Joe this time round with policies like this:

 

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How do we put it all together? I mean there are some crazy Trumpers on here, and regardless of political belief...I don't support him.
Yet people who think things are being hidden as well as Trump supporters, but also quoting the Bible. How does one reconcile that? I haven't ever heard of the Don quoting the Bible (maybe I missed it).
i am not clear about what your original question is. please clarify it.

however, if you are asking about trump/MAGA and the religious people who tend to gravitate towards him (when like you said, he does not quote the bible), its simply a matter of the other party (democrats) being so far extreme left/atheist/woke/pro-abortion/pro- transgender that there is not much of a choice.
if the democrats were more centrist (and i think that we are at the beginning of a split-off from the far left and the moderate democrats), they would attract more people with a religious inclination.

PS: welcome back to the forum!
 

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I have been on this site for a long time, was Deathly Hallows, but because of email issues I had to reregister. May I just ask a question, and not be attacked? (I realize I just asked a question)
How do we put it all together? I mean there are some crazy Trumpers on here, and regardless of political belief...I don't support him.
Yet people who think things are being hidden as well as Trump supporters, but also quoting the Bible. How does one reconcile that? I haven't ever heard of the Don quoting the Bible (maybe I missed it).
I am not judging, just asking. I am of the opinion we all have belly buttons and mine isn't better than yours, so your belief is yours, but I feel VC does a very good job of trying to keep his/her opinions out of it. On here...not so much.

Again, I am just asking for my own knowledge, not for lash-back and hate speech at me. I do my best everyday to help and lift people up, but this is just one thing I do not understand.

For the record I am a woman over 40, educator, tattooed, married to a man with 3 three children and in small town middle America. I do not judge people, and really am just interested in learning how people think.
The Elite have already “eliminated” most of the population with the shots. They want less people because they are afraid of all of these people.
They are Satan’s people.
Satan’s people control the realm.
We often call them Masons and they hide in plain sight. They pretend to participate in all religions but they just follow the Babylonian Kabbalah and the mystery religion of Babylon.
They believe in ritualistic androgyny and they install leaders and founded all nations.
 

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I have been on this site for a long time, was Deathly Hallows, but because of email issues I had to reregister. May I just ask a question, and not be attacked? (I realize I just asked a question)
How do we put it all together? I mean there are some crazy Trumpers on here, and regardless of political belief...I don't support him.
Yet people who think things are being hidden as well as Trump supporters, but also quoting the Bible. How does one reconcile that? I haven't ever heard of the Don quoting the Bible (maybe I missed it).
I am not judging, just asking. I am of the opinion we all have belly buttons and mine isn't better than yours, so your belief is yours, but I feel VC does a very good job of trying to keep his/her opinions out of it. On here...not so much.

Again, I am just asking for my own knowledge, not for lash-back and hate speech at me. I do my best everyday to help and lift people up, but this is just one thing I do not understand.

For the record I am a woman over 40, educator, tattooed, married to a man with 3 three children and in small town middle America. I do not judge people, and really am just interested in learning how people think.
Here's a little something to add to your trail mix...

Donald Trump brought us the "warp speed" program, which is destined to kill hundreds of millions if not billions. Joe Biden continued the program, which is destined to kill hundreds of millions if not billions. What's the difference? And what will it take for people to understand that there is no political left or right, except in their minds? There are only evil people in corporate fictional governments, playing their roles, for public amusement.

Interestingly, the Bible warned us about divisive political parties thousands of years ago, and commanded us to avoid them, but nobody listened.

Deuteronomy 5:32 Ye shall observe to do therefore as the "I AM" your God hath commanded you: ye shall not turn aside to the right hand or to the left.

P.S. The terms "scribes" and "pharisees" from the New Covenant, translated into English would be "lawyers" and "politicians" (who also happened to be the priests).
 
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Here's a little something to add to your trail mix...

Donald Trump brought us the "warp speed" program, which is destined to kill hundreds of millions if not billions. Joe Biden continued the program, which is destined to kill hundreds of millions if not billions. What's the difference? And what will it take for people to understand that there is no political left or right, except in their minds? There are only evil people in corporate fictional governments, playing their roles, for public amusement.

Interestingly, the Bible warned us about divisive political parties thousands of years ago, and commanded us to avoid them, but nobody listened.

Deuteronomy 5:32 Ye shall observe to do therefore as the "I AM" your God hath commanded you: ye shall not turn aside to the right hand or to the left.

P.S. The terms "scribes" and "pharisees" from the New Covenant, translated into English would be "lawyers" and "politicians" (who also happened to be the priests).
I kind of agree with you. But I don't think Ukraine war would be happening under Orange Man or gas prices the way they are. Plus election was rigged so Biden is fake president. There was a coup on November 3 2020 and we are living with the results. Also when are the hundreds of millions or even billions scheduled to die? Only asking because since I didn't get vaccinated if all these people die off maybe I won't have to worry anymore about having to eat bugs and there will be more food for the unvaccinated purebloods.
 

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I kind of agree with you. But I don't think Ukraine war would be happening under Orange Man or gas prices the way they are.
Perhaps not, but that's why Biden is the current puppet. To each his role.

Plus election was rigged so Biden is fake president. There was a coup on November 3 2020 and we are living with the results.
Agreed. It was the most blatant case of election fraud in human history, and took place in the land of the fee and home of the slave. But instead of learning from it -- that elections only provide the illusion of choice -- most are still begging to have their favorite overlord back (aka "the leader of the free world").

The problem is, and always has been the money changers, aka the international banking cartel, which owns and finances both sides of every election and every war, so they can call the shots regardless of who "wins" or "loses". Those who have the most to lose (fame, fortune, power) are the ones easiest to control, and thus make the best puppet politicians. We should NEVER allow, much less put the rich into positions of power, where they can make up their own rules to make themselves richer and more powerful, while impoverishing, oppressing and enslaving the rest of mankind (see James 5:1-8).

Also when are the hundreds of millions or even billions scheduled to die? Only asking because since I didn't get vaccinated if all these people die off maybe I won't have to worry anymore about having to eat bugs and there will be more food for the unvaccinated purebloods.
Soon (see Rev. 6:8). Millions have already died, which is why the cases of blood clots, heart attacks and people dropping dead from "sudden adult death syndrome", etc. have skyrocketed in the past 2 years. This winter and next will likely be very telling.
 
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Perhaps not, but that's why Biden is the current puppet. To each his role.


Agreed. It was the most blatant case of election fraud in human history, and took place in the land of the fee and home of the slave. But instead of learning from it -- that elections only provide the illusion of choice -- most are still begging to have their favorite overlord back (aka "the leader of the free world").

The problem is, and always has been the money changers, aka the international banking cartel, which owns and finances both sides of every election and every war, so they can call the shots regardless of who "wins" or "loses". Those who have the most to lose (fame, fortune, power) are the ones easiest to control, and thus make the best puppet politicians. We should NEVER allow, much less put the rich into positions of power, where they can make up their own rules to make themselves richer and more powerful, while impoverishing, oppressing and enslaving the rest of mankind (see James 5:1-8).


Soon (see Rev. 6:8). Millions have already died, which is why the cases of blood clots, heart attacks and people dropping dead from "sudden adult death syndrome", etc. have skyrocketed in the past 2 years. This winter and next will likely be very telling.
I believe you but does anyone have the ability to accurately count them or are they too hard to even count since they are obscure which I am sure they did it on purpose this way. I didn't realize millions have died but I believe it.
 

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I believe you but does anyone have the ability to accurately count them or are they too hard to even count since they are obscure which I am sure they did it on purpose this way. I didn't realize millions have died but I believe it.
Public elections have never been about what the actual vote-count is; they've always been about who counts the votes.

If the goal was to actually produce an accurate count, there would be a single, unwavering set of rules about who's eligible to vote, the registration and voting process, when people could vote and most importantly that any member of the public could view any and every stage of the counting process from start to finish, to provide the necessary transparency to ensure confidence in the results.

Instead, we've gone from the days of stuffing ballot boxes with the votes of dead people, to the pre-programmed voting machines of the present that use algorithms to manipulate the figures.

This is exactly what you get when rich and powerful people make up their own rules, to make themselves richer and more powerful. There is a way to get rid of this entire issue, but the overwhelming majority are unwilling to take the necessary steps to put an end all of this corruption.
 
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Public elections have never been about what the actual vote-count is; they've always been about who counts the votes.

If the goal was to actually produce an accurate count, there would be a single, unwavering set of rules about who's eligible to vote, the registration and voting process, when people could vote and most importantly that any member of the public could view any and every stage of the counting process from start to finish, to provide the necessary transparency to ensure confidence in the results.

Instead, we've gone from the days of stuffing ballot boxes with the votes of dead people, to the pre-programmed voting machines of the present that use algorithms to manipulate the figures.

This is exactly what you get when rich and powerful people make up their own rules, to make themselves richer and more powerful. There is a way to get rid of this entire issue, but the overwhelming majority are unwilling to take the necessary steps to put an end all of this corruption.
I know what you mean. Unfortunately the same people who count our votes are the same people who are making up the statistics on who has died from the vaccines. Aren't they still claiming it is around fifty thousand? Or are they even admitting that many? My theory is that the vaccines have saved no one's life but only killed and maimed God only knows how many people. The media always lecturing about the Holocaust yet we are not supposed to understand that the truth is that the Covid vaccines are the biggest Holocaust of all time?
 

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I know what you mean. Unfortunately the same people who count our votes are the same people who are making up the statistics on who has died from the vaccines.
Agreed. They all need to go, along with the entire corrupt demon-crazy system that makes these atrocities not only possible, but "legal".

Aren't they still claiming it is around fifty thousand? Or are they even admitting that many? My theory is that the vaccines have saved no one's life but only killed and maimed God only knows how many people. The media always lecturing about the Holocaust yet we are not supposed to understand that the truth is that the Covid vaccines are the biggest Holocaust of all time?
Whatever the official number may be, you can multiply it by at least 100, as less than 1% of all vaccine-related injuries and deaths are actually reported to VAERS.

As ALL pharmaceutical chemicals are poisons, your theory is actually irrefutable fact; i.e. no vaccine has ever saved anyone, and only causes harm. The speed and efficiency in which it works depends in part upon the victim's physiology and environment.

Funeral directors are speaking out that during 2020, they saw no increase in mortality rate, but shortly after they rolled out the lethal injection program in late 2020 everything changed. Mortality rates in 2021 and thus far in 2022 have been significantly higher, with people in their teens, 20s, 30s and 40s dropping dead from blood clots and heart attacks (something that didn't happen before). These things never happened before, and the findings of widespread, lengthy blood clots in the corpses of the vaccinated that these funeral directors are reporting is similarly unprecedented.

It's genocidal. And people are actually worried about which puppet they should vote for in the upcoming dog and pony show, as if any of that matters. How it is that people aren't up in arms to throw all of these criminals out of public office instead of validating this mass-murder is unfathomable.
 
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I have been on this site for a long time, was Deathly Hallows, but because of email issues I had to reregister. May I just ask a question, and not be attacked? (I realize I just asked a question)
How do we put it all together? I mean there are some crazy Trumpers on here, and regardless of political belief...I don't support him.
Yet people who think things are being hidden as well as Trump supporters, but also quoting the Bible. How does one reconcile that? I haven't ever heard of the Don quoting the Bible (maybe I missed it).
I am not judging, just asking. I am of the opinion we all have belly buttons and mine isn't better than yours, so your belief is yours, but I feel VC does a very good job of trying to keep his/her opinions out of it. On here...not so much.

Again, I am just asking for my own knowledge, not for lash-back and hate speech at me. I do my best everyday to help and lift people up, but this is just one thing I do not understand.

For the record I am a woman over 40, educator, tattooed, married to a man with 3 three children and in small town middle America. I do not judge people, and really am just interested in learning how people think.
Yeah blame it all on the crazy Trumpers. And you are a teacher? Nobody in their right mind would send their children to public schools unless they had to. And you somehow thought that alerting us that you had tattoos was a good idea?
 
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Since you are a teacher have you ever had your students read 1984 by George Orwell? Well people always comparing what is happening now to that book. I kind of disagree because nowhere in that book were people expected to eat bugs. So this is where we stand. 1984 was a utopian paradise compared to 2022. Also I recommend stop worrying about Trump. If you need something to worry about I suggest worrying about your children being forced to take mandatory poisonous vaccines and phony Ukraine war. Also you can worry about drag queens helping you to teach your students to be transgender and getting sex change. Trump is the least of your worries. No offense but do you think having green hair nose rings and tattoos is setting a good example for your students?
I don't have green hair, have never had a nose ring, I do have tattoos, but so do most of their parents. Judgy much? I am 47 years old thank you very much, not fresh out of teacher college.
 
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