500 Years Of Protestantism: The 38 Most Ridiculous Things Martin Luther Ever Wrote

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A few excerpts:

- “Christ committed adultery first of all with the women at the well about whom St. John tell’s us. Was not everybody about Him saying: ‘Whatever has He been doing with her?’ Secondly, with Mary Magdalen, and thirdly with the women taken in adultery whom He dismissed so lightly. Thus even, Christ who was so righteous, must have been guilty of fornication before He died.” (ref. Trishreden, Weimer Edition, Vol. 2, Pg. 107. – What a great blasphemy from a man who is regarded as “great reformer”!).

- “It is more important to guard against good works than against sin.” (ref. Trischreden, Wittenberg Edition, Vol. VI., p. 160).

- “There is no scandal greater, more dangerous, more venomous, than a good outward life, manifested by good works and a pious mode of life. That is the grand portal, the highway that leads to damnation.” (ref. Denifle’s Luther et Lutheranisme, Etude Faite d’apres les sources. Translation by J. Paquier (Paris, A. Picard, 1912-13), VOl. II, pg. 128).

- “Man is like a horse. Does God leap into the saddle? The horse is obedient and accommodates itself to every movement of the rider and goes whither he wills it. Does God throw down the reins? Then Satan leaps upon the back of the animal, which bends, goes and submits to the spurs and caprices of its new rider… Therefore, necessity, not free will, is the controlling principle of our conduct. God is the author of what is evil as well as of what is good, and, as He bestows happiness on those who merit it not, so also does He damn others who deserve not their fate.” (ref. ‘De Servo Arbitrio’, 7, 113 seq., quoted by O’Hare, in ‘The Facts About Luther, TAN Books, 1987, pp. 266-267).

- “Do not ask anything of your conscience; and if it speaks, do not listen to it; if it insists, stifle it, amuse yourself; if necessary, commit some good big sin, in order to drive it away. Conscience is the voice of Satan, and it is necessary always to do just the contrary of what Satan wishes.” (ref. J. Dollinger, La Reforme et les resultants qu’elle a produits. (Trans. E. Perrot, Paris, Gaume, 1848-49), Vol III, pg. 248).

- “Peasants are no better than straw. They will not hear the word and they are without sense; therefore they must be compelled to hear the crack of the whip and the whiz of bullets and it is only what they deserve.” (ref. Erlangen Vol 24, Pg. 294).

- “To kill a peasant is not murder; it is helping to extinguish the conflagration. Let there be no half measures! Crush them! Cut their throats! Transfix them. Leave no stone unturned! To kill a peasant is to destroy a mad dog!” – “If they say that I am very hard and merciless, mercy be damned. Let whoever can stab, strangle, and kill them like mad dogs” (ref. Erlangen Vol 24, Pg. 294).

- “To lie in a case of necessity or for convenience or in excuse – such lying would not be against God; He was ready to take such lies on Himself” (ref. Lenz: Briefwechsel, Vol. 1. Pg. 375).

http://www.saintdominicsmedia.com/500-years-of-protestantism-the-33-most-ridiculous-things-martin-luther-ever-wrote/

I suddenly understand WASP America a little better.
 

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Peace be upon you.

It has been a while and hope you're doing well. Regardless of our differences, I have always enjoyed your posts and have the utmost respect for you.

I just recently read one of his quotes and this is what it had to say "Be a sinner, and let your sins be strong (sin boldly), but let your trust in Christ be stronger, and rejoice in Christ who is the victor over sin, death, and the world."

-A Letter From Luther to Melanchthon
Letter no. 99, 1 August 1521, From the Wartburg
 
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Hey Kung Fu, the respect is mutual of course, but that is old news :p

Yes, I just recently read that quote myself. It's one of the 38 ;)

And some interesting trivia is that the recipient of that letter, Melanchthon (born Schwartzerdt), the alleged brain behind the reformation, was a Hebraist and Kabbalist, which is rather interesting considering the circumstances ie. the dominant Catholic environment at the time.
 

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And some interesting trivia is that the recipient of that letter, Melanchthon (born Schwartzerdt), the alleged brain behind the reformation, was a Hebraist and Kabbalist, which is rather interesting considering the circumstances ie. the dominant Catholic environment at the time.
This sounds interesting. Will definitely look into this.
 

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A few excerpts:

- “Christ committed adultery first of all with the women at the well about whom St. John tell’s us. Was not everybody about Him saying: ‘Whatever has He been doing with her?’ Secondly, with Mary Magdalen, and thirdly with the women taken in adultery whom He dismissed so lightly. Thus even, Christ who was so righteous, must have been guilty of fornication before He died.” (ref. Trishreden, Weimer Edition, Vol. 2, Pg. 107. – What a great blasphemy from a man who is regarded as “great reformer”!).

- “It is more important to guard against good works than against sin.” (ref. Trischreden, Wittenberg Edition, Vol. VI., p. 160).

- “There is no scandal greater, more dangerous, more venomous, than a good outward life, manifested by good works and a pious mode of life. That is the grand portal, the highway that leads to damnation.” (ref. Denifle’s Luther et Lutheranisme, Etude Faite d’apres les sources. Translation by J. Paquier (Paris, A. Picard, 1912-13), VOl. II, pg. 128).

- “Man is like a horse. Does God leap into the saddle? The horse is obedient and accommodates itself to every movement of the rider and goes whither he wills it. Does God throw down the reins? Then Satan leaps upon the back of the animal, which bends, goes and submits to the spurs and caprices of its new rider… Therefore, necessity, not free will, is the controlling principle of our conduct. God is the author of what is evil as well as of what is good, and, as He bestows happiness on those who merit it not, so also does He damn others who deserve not their fate.” (ref. ‘De Servo Arbitrio’, 7, 113 seq., quoted by O’Hare, in ‘The Facts About Luther, TAN Books, 1987, pp. 266-267).

- “Do not ask anything of your conscience; and if it speaks, do not listen to it; if it insists, stifle it, amuse yourself; if necessary, commit some good big sin, in order to drive it away. Conscience is the voice of Satan, and it is necessary always to do just the contrary of what Satan wishes.” (ref. J. Dollinger, La Reforme et les resultants qu’elle a produits. (Trans. E. Perrot, Paris, Gaume, 1848-49), Vol III, pg. 248).

- “Peasants are no better than straw. They will not hear the word and they are without sense; therefore they must be compelled to hear the crack of the whip and the whiz of bullets and it is only what they deserve.” (ref. Erlangen Vol 24, Pg. 294).

- “To kill a peasant is not murder; it is helping to extinguish the conflagration. Let there be no half measures! Crush them! Cut their throats! Transfix them. Leave no stone unturned! To kill a peasant is to destroy a mad dog!” – “If they say that I am very hard and merciless, mercy be damned. Let whoever can stab, strangle, and kill them like mad dogs” (ref. Erlangen Vol 24, Pg. 294).

- “To lie in a case of necessity or for convenience or in excuse – such lying would not be against God; He was ready to take such lies on Himself” (ref. Lenz: Briefwechsel, Vol. 1. Pg. 375).

http://www.saintdominicsmedia.com/500-years-of-protestantism-the-33-most-ridiculous-things-martin-luther-ever-wrote/

I suddenly understand WASP America a little better.
This is when I wish I knew German. On archive.org it has all of Luther's works.
http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com.au/2005/12/luther-said-christ-committed-adultery.html

Luther should not be regarded as infallible. Some wording is quite careless. He wrote questionable things at times, including serious insults to critics etc. But like the above article says RE adultery with Mary Magdalene, it was from a collection of sayings collected from conversations with Luther's students and friends.

Edit: I already had heard of his very strong anti-Jew sentiment, but seeing it in print is shocking. No excuse for that kind of hatred from a self-proclaimed Christian leader.
It must be challenging for Lutherans to defend that kind of viewpoint.
 
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A few excerpts:

- “Christ committed adultery first of all with the women at the well about whom St. John tell’s us. Was not everybody about Him saying: ‘Whatever has He been doing with her?’ Secondly, with Mary Magdalen, and thirdly with the women taken in adultery whom He dismissed so lightly. Thus even, Christ who was so righteous, must have been guilty of fornication before He died.” (ref. Trishreden, Weimer Edition, Vol. 2, Pg. 107. – What a great blasphemy from a man who is regarded as “great reformer”!).

- “It is more important to guard against good works than against sin.” (ref. Trischreden, Wittenberg Edition, Vol. VI., p. 160).

- “There is no scandal greater, more dangerous, more venomous, than a good outward life, manifested by good works and a pious mode of life. That is the grand portal, the highway that leads to damnation.” (ref. Denifle’s Luther et Lutheranisme, Etude Faite d’apres les sources. Translation by J. Paquier (Paris, A. Picard, 1912-13), VOl. II, pg. 128).

- “Man is like a horse. Does God leap into the saddle? The horse is obedient and accommodates itself to every movement of the rider and goes whither he wills it. Does God throw down the reins? Then Satan leaps upon the back of the animal, which bends, goes and submits to the spurs and caprices of its new rider… Therefore, necessity, not free will, is the controlling principle of our conduct. God is the author of what is evil as well as of what is good, and, as He bestows happiness on those who merit it not, so also does He damn others who deserve not their fate.” (ref. ‘De Servo Arbitrio’, 7, 113 seq., quoted by O’Hare, in ‘The Facts About Luther, TAN Books, 1987, pp. 266-267).

- “Do not ask anything of your conscience; and if it speaks, do not listen to it; if it insists, stifle it, amuse yourself; if necessary, commit some good big sin, in order to drive it away. Conscience is the voice of Satan, and it is necessary always to do just the contrary of what Satan wishes.” (ref. J. Dollinger, La Reforme et les resultants qu’elle a produits. (Trans. E. Perrot, Paris, Gaume, 1848-49), Vol III, pg. 248).

- “Peasants are no better than straw. They will not hear the word and they are without sense; therefore they must be compelled to hear the crack of the whip and the whiz of bullets and it is only what they deserve.” (ref. Erlangen Vol 24, Pg. 294).

- “To kill a peasant is not murder; it is helping to extinguish the conflagration. Let there be no half measures! Crush them! Cut their throats! Transfix them. Leave no stone unturned! To kill a peasant is to destroy a mad dog!” – “If they say that I am very hard and merciless, mercy be damned. Let whoever can stab, strangle, and kill them like mad dogs” (ref. Erlangen Vol 24, Pg. 294).

- “To lie in a case of necessity or for convenience or in excuse – such lying would not be against God; He was ready to take such lies on Himself” (ref. Lenz: Briefwechsel, Vol. 1. Pg. 375).

http://www.saintdominicsmedia.com/500-years-of-protestantism-the-33-most-ridiculous-things-martin-luther-ever-wrote/

I suddenly understand WASP America a little better.
I was under the impression that USA's main source of Christians was from the Non-conformists, Puritans, and Baptists? WASP - White Anglo Saxon PROTESTANTS.

Protestants certainly are in agreement with a lot of Luther's writings, but also disagree a great deal too. He is not the only ancestor of Protestantism. E.g. There were men translating bibles into other languages centuries before Luther. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestantism#History
 

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- “It is more important to guard against good works than against sin.” (ref. Trischreden, Wittenberg Edition, Vol. VI., p. 160).

- “There is no scandal greater, more dangerous, more venomous, than a good outward life, manifested by good works and a pious mode of life. That is the grand portal, the highway that leads to damnation.” (ref. Denifle’s Luther et Lutheranisme, Etude Faite d’apres les sources. Translation by J. Paquier (Paris, A. Picard, 1912-13), VOl. II, pg. 128).
This is quite unfortunate, a fatal flaw in Protestantism.

- “Man is like a horse. Does God leap into the saddle? The horse is obedient and accommodates itself to every movement of the rider and goes whither he wills it. Does God throw down the reins? Then Satan leaps upon the back of the animal, which bends, goes and submits to the spurs and caprices of its new rider… Therefore, necessity, not free will, is the controlling principle of our conduct. God is the author of what is evil as well as of what is good, and, as He bestows happiness on those who merit it not, so also does He damn others who deserve not their fate.” (ref. ‘De Servo Arbitrio’, 7, 113 seq., quoted by O’Hare, in ‘The Facts About Luther, TAN Books, 1987, pp. 266-267).
Man is meant to be a tool of Fate. He still possesses some measure of free will, but he cannot escape his duty. When epochs have reached their extremes, necessity must replace god.

"The strongest, necessity, for it masters all... And understand that power is a near neighbour to necessity."

- “Do not ask anything of your conscience; and if it speaks, do not listen to it; if it insists, stifle it, amuse yourself; if necessary, commit some good big sin, in order to drive it away. Conscience is the voice of Satan, and it is necessary always to do just the contrary of what Satan wishes.” (ref. J. Dollinger, La Reforme et les resultants qu’elle a produits. (Trans. E. Perrot, Paris, Gaume, 1848-49), Vol III, pg. 248).
The first part of his statement is a good point. Conscience can lead people astray. People commit all sorts of notorious deeds under the "guidance" of their conscience.

- “To lie in a case of necessity or for convenience or in excuse – such lying would not be against God; He was ready to take such lies on Himself” (ref. Lenz: Briefwechsel, Vol. 1. Pg. 375).
That is why he is a great reformer. He had the Jesuit mentality, like Adolf Hitler & Adam Weishaupt, which is a prerequisite for world revolution. Only Jesuit types can successfully wage war against the TPTB. It's no small feat to emancipate oneself from the full burden of Catholic dogma. Jesuit indoctrination is totally complete, leaves no room for wavering.

The great Prophet Mohammed furnishes us with an example of great success, the likes of which are comparable to Alexander the Great. He could only achieve this with such a mentality. Hence his questionable practices and decisions (i.e. polygamy, warfare). The obligation to obey is a fundamental principle of Islam.
 
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I think it is a bit of a red herring to focus down on Luther and attempt to cast doubt on the validity of the Reformation as a turning point...
Sounds about right.

Maybe we can talk about Calvin and the madness of predestination, next. :D

I kid.. it's a great topic, all around. It was a turning point, and a much needed change, at that.
 

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I think if you were to look at some other things people have "woke up" to that are popular on this forum, the value of the anti-Luther line becomes a little clearer.

Imagine a piece attacking someone who noticed inconsistencies in the 9/11 official account, or deliberate attempts to shape opinion using the mainstream media. In a piece intended to shame the "truth" movement, the spotlight falls on some single guy in his 40s who lived in a caravan back in the day, and struggled to hold down a job.

Perhaps someone like this DID start noticing first, but I have to ask the question...

Does any of that have anything whatsoever to do with what he found out?
 

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I think if you were to look at some other things people have "woke up" to that are popular on this forum, the value of the anti-Luther line becomes a little clearer.

Imagine a piece attacking someone who noticed inconsistencies in the 9/11 official account, or deliberate attempts to shape opinion using the mainstream media. In a piece intended to shame the "truth" movement, the spotlight falls on some single guy in his 40s who lived in a caravan back in the day, and struggled to hold down a job.

Perhaps someone like this DID start noticing first, but I have to ask the question...

Does any of that have anything whatsoever to do with what he found out?
Of course not.. !

The spirit behind this one is not simple misunderstanding imo. In fact-- and this almost seems too easy-- there's a book that was written with the sole purpose of discrediting Luther, by this man:

Adam Weishaupt was born in 1748 of Jewish parents but grew up in the Catholic faith. When his father, George Weishaupt, died in 1754, young Adam was turned over to be raised by the Jesuits by his godfather, Baron Ickstatt, who was curator of the university of Ingolstadt in Bavaria.

He was initiated as a Freemason in 1774 in either Hanover or
lMunich, but found that no one in his order truly understood the occult significance of the ceremonies. He decided to found his own organization, which he did on the first of May 1776. This organization was first known as "The Order of Perfectibilists" but became famous as the "Ordo Illuminati Bavarensis", or the Illuminati for short.

I find it hard to believe he was a Protestant.
The book: Luther: The Devil's Disciple
o_O
 

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Of course not.. !

The spirit behind this one is not simple misunderstanding imo. In fact-- and this almost seems too easy-- there's a book that was written with the sole purpose of discrediting Luther, by this man:

Adam Weishaupt was born in 1748 of Jewish parents but grew up in the Catholic faith. When his father, George Weishaupt, died in 1754, young Adam was turned over to be raised by the Jesuits by his godfather, Baron Ickstatt, who was curator of the university of Ingolstadt in Bavaria.

He was initiated as a Freemason in 1774 in either Hanover or

lMunich, but found that no one in his order truly understood the occult significance of the ceremonies. He decided to found his own organization, which he did on the first of May 1776. This organization was first known as "The Order of Perfectibilists" but became famous as the "Ordo Illuminati Bavarensis", or the Illuminati for short.

I find it hard to believe he was a Protestant.
The book: Luther: The Devil's Disciple
o_O
Well, well...
 
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Edit: I already had heard of his very strong anti-Jew sentiment, but seeing it in print is shocking. No excuse for that kind of hatred from a self-proclaimed Christian leader.
It must be challenging for Lutherans to defend that kind of viewpoint.
They're in the same boat with Marxists
 
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