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Maldarker

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You won't get a definitive answer on this question. As the differences within the many Societies will show some will answer yes and some will answer no.
Actually i have but i will reiterate it. I say that from birth man is flawed & gravitate to evil. That's my stance on the human condition.
 

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You won't get a definitive answer on this question. As the differences within the many Societies will show some will answer yes and some will answer no.
Depends on upbringing, life circumstances. Why such and so actions develop.
 

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Actually i have but i will reiterate it. I say that from birth man is flawed & gravitate to evil. That's my stance on the human condition.
We’re constantly presented with choices. It’s the choices said individual makes that grooms he/she
 

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We’re constantly presented with choices. It’s the choices said individual makes that grooms he/she
Hmm yes we are presented with choices of good or bad - Not really getting to the point though. Like i said from a young age toddlers for example lie, steal with no prior knowledge of this. So again i say people at base have a propensity for evil.
 

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Hmm yes we are presented with choices of good or bad - Not really getting to the point though. Like i said from a young age toddlers for example lie, steal with no prior knowledge of this. So again i say people at base have a propensity for evil.
Toddlers do so for different intentions.
As an adult comprehending said choices which you and I know can have the evil intentions.

Thats what I got out of this thread anyways
 

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Toddlers do so for different intentions.
As an adult comprehending said choices which you and I know can have the evil intentions.

Thats what I got out of this thread anyways
That's what they where saying yes. I come from the view point that we from the start are skewed on a balance scale towards evil not good from the get go. I know society & factors of life can change a person to become more evil or maybe actually be skewed towards good we do see that, but it still goes back to a starting point of 3 views 1) humans start out skewed towards bad. 2) neutral 3) humans start out as good.
 

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You didn't answer the question. Are people inherently good or bad from birth. That's the question. The rest of your statement doesn't matter till that is answered.
They are both. The question is simply whether society makes them better or worse.
 

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They are both. The question is simply whether society makes them better or worse.
And that's where we differ. You think neutral. I think flawed from birth. Lot easier to sway people to evil then good. Wonder y that is hmm? Unless your already starting from that state.
 

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And that's where we differ. You think neutral. I think flawed from birth. Lot easier to sway people to evil then good. Wonder y that is hmm? Unless your already starting from that state.
There still remains the question of whether society improves people or makes them worse. Capitalism degenerates people, aside from actually making us all addicts of one thing or another, it fosters jealousy and competition, puts power in the hands of corporations (soulless entities, led by soulless people), sets people against each other, creates vanity in relation to being rich and such. What I designate "socialism" is just a way of referring to a society which encourages people's better tendencies, rather than their worse and worst. I don't think that such a thing would be completely impossible.
 

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There still remains the question of whether society improves people or makes them worse. Capitalism degenerates people, aside from actually making us all addicts of one thing or another, it fosters jealousy and competition, puts power in the hands of corporations (soulless entities, led by soulless people), sets people against each other, creates vanity in relation to being rich and such. What I designate "socialism" is just a way of referring to a society which encourages people's better tendencies, rather than their worse and worst. I don't think that such a thing would be completely impossible.
And you think the soul less entities are going to change with socialism? LOL it's a pipe dream. Listen i wish it would work that way but it doesn't. I lean libertarian but even that in all effect is also a pipe dream.

Does society improve people?

I would say no it doesn't. A person has to want to improve themselves you can't force them.
 

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The problem with modern socialism is it still creates an unbalanced power dynamic. In other words, the people who control the money and create the laws still have more power than the citizens. And that's hard to rectify, but there are a few solutions that might balance the scales. One way is changing how we use and distribute currency.

People love to hate on the idea of a social credit system. My question is, why? What are those types afraid of? In effect, we already have an unofficial social credit system; it just typically benefits the people in power. Take a judge, for example; they have an abundance of social credit within the confines of the courts. And for a judge to lose social credit, they would pretty much have to jump off a cliff. Conversely, a homeless person has zero social credit, and to turn that around they would have to climb a mountain with 3 people on their backs.

Ultimately I think an official social credit system would be much better than what we have. As long as every single person gets enrolled, and we allow people a clear path to move up within that system. In that sense, we can kill two birds with one stone. We can try to lift the people society has left behind, and we can start to hold people in power accountable. It sounds pretty fair to me.
 
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