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Berrywon88

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She was the same age as Jungkook : 21 and he was 45 ,And if she was in a relationship with him when she was 21, then when did their relationship start, is it at a younger age?
Anyway it's not good at her young age to be in a relationship with someone like him, such top managers in the industry are so untrustworthy, and he seems to like youngsters very much
Always these managers etc.. you find them getting close to the teenagers and the very young girls and boys ..
She got the watermelon chest, no nose, dorito chin combo by 21...yeesh! She looks like paid company that is passed around all over Gangnam if you catch my drift. I doubt this woman was in an actual relationship with him.
 

Berrywon88

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kpop stans hype anything and call it talent nowadays too so they don't even have to do much at this point.
You hit the nail on the head. They don't need to produce quality music anymore because they know fans will eat up whatever junk is put out. Kpop has always been more about developing strong parasocial relationships with fans and their fave idols. Once a fan becomes personally invested with an idol they will accept just about anything and continue to throw money at these companies. Also, the original goal with the kpop industry (actually all Korean industries) was to expand and become a part of the global stage. Well the country succeeded with this by using their soft power..shows like squid games, groups like b*s etc.

People especially females flock to SK by the droves now "Looking for Mr. Goodbar." I'm getting that reference from the cautionary true tale that was made into a movie in the 70s.
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Someone online described this type of woman perfectly so I'll quote here:
"Older, pop culture phrase referencing the 1977 film of the same name starring Diane Keaton. Used to describe a (still) all too common cultural phenomenon and stereotype, whereupon entering a local watering hole, one spots a noticeably middle aging female who, without asking her, one can already [glean] the following details :
shes endlessly looking for a new job or career;
shes incessantly looking for a [new romantic] partner (or the next good lay she can drum up);
shes constantly looking for the next place to live (in the immediate vicinity or ANYWHERE for that matter);
shes perpetually looking for that next big thing she cant name or describe (and obviously hasnt found yet and, like a character out of a Fitzgerald or Richard Yates novel, probably never will - where ARE all those [golden people] in that golden place ?);
in a phrase, shes a female sad bastard. Shes looking for [mr. goodbar]."

This I believe are the kinds of women going to SK suddenly. This is the effect that over saturation of Kmedia is having on some individuals. The country makes money so what do they care, but I bet the crime rate of attacks on foreigners is sky high there.

Anywayz, sorry for the long rant
 

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You hit the nail on the head. They don't need to produce quality music anymore because they know fans will eat up whatever junk is put out. Kpop has always been more about developing strong parasocial relationships with fans and their fave idols. Once a fan becomes personally invested with an idol they will accept just about anything and continue to throw money at these companies. Also, the original goal with the kpop industry (actually all Korean industries) was to expand and become a part of the global stage. Well the country succeeded with this by using their soft power..shows like squid games, groups like b*s etc.

People especially females flock to SK by the droves now "Looking for Mr. Goodbar." I'm getting that reference from the cautionary true tale that was made into a movie in the 70s.
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Someone online described this type of woman perfectly so I'll quote here:
"Older, pop culture phrase referencing the 1977 film of the same name starring Diane Keaton. Used to describe a (still) all too common cultural phenomenon and stereotype, whereupon entering a local watering hole, one spots a noticeably middle aging female who, without asking her, one can already [glean] the following details :
shes endlessly looking for a new job or career;
shes incessantly looking for a [new romantic] partner (or the next good lay she can drum up);
shes constantly looking for the next place to live (in the immediate vicinity or ANYWHERE for that matter);
shes perpetually looking for that next big thing she cant name or describe (and obviously hasnt found yet and, like a character out of a Fitzgerald or Richard Yates novel, probably never will - where ARE all those [golden people] in that golden place ?);
in a phrase, shes a female sad bastard. Shes looking for [mr. goodbar]."

This I believe are the kinds of women going to SK suddenly. This is the effect that over saturation of Kmedia is having on some individuals. The country makes money so what do they care, but I bet the crime rate of attacks on foreigners is sky high there.

Anywayz, sorry for the long rant
don't worry..
 
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Keeping it 100, I don't think t*t is that good. From what I've heard from them they sound whiny with weak vocals and way too much autotune. As far as looks wise, I don't think they would appeal to many in the west. They are too made up (like dolls) and sickly looking.
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2nd and 3rd gen boy groups looked manlier and more natural. All of these 4th gen groups I've heard are subpar. The music sounds like noise. Idk, aside from a niche fandom, I don't see any of these youngins becoming global sensations. B*s at least once upon a time had catchy music and covered their lack of vocal talent well with their much better rapline. The timing was right for b*s. Like some said on here, when one direction disbanded their fans became armies. As far as en*ypen, I haven't really listened to their music so I can't judge. I do think it's sad how aside from 2 members, they were probably forced by the company to get excessive ps.

Also, I'm curious about that female hype group leessafim or whatever the hell they're called and if they're disbanding yet. I thought I heard they kept that member that's a bully and their first single didn't do well.
I was at their concert and they were worth the hype.
 
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I haven't listened to a lot of their songs but the few I've heard have so much auto tune and I don't understand why people like it so much. I've liked a few I've heard from them but even at that I don't understand why people keep saying that their discography is flawless???? one thing I've noticed is how no one really bashes their music too, especially when you see these videos that are like groups with bad songs and txt is never mentioned then I'd see comments saying " see how no one mentioned txt" and from most I've seen its true and surprising. they don't drag them at all, at least from what I've seen so far
Not to beleaguer the point but they have live vocals. Many kpop groups can't sing at their level and dance at the same time. Bigh1t prefers the plastic look and autotune for everyone.
 

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one thing I've noticed is how no one really bashes their music too, especially when you see these videos that are like groups with bad songs and txt is never mentioned then I'd see comments saying " see how no one mentioned txt" and from most I've seen its true and surprising. they don't drag them at all, at least from what I've seen so far
ive seen those comments too!! annoying as hell they're like a cult i swear. i was more of a fan of enhyp3n then t*t but i've listen to their song "good boy gone bad" by accident and its pretty mid imo. i haven't really listened to enhyp3ns song and i don't plan to anyways but i've heard it's terrible and they apparently tried to sample chicago drill music lmaoo
 
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ive seen those comments too!! annoying as hell they're like a cult i swear. i was more of a fan of enhyp3n then t*t but i've listen to their song "good boy gone bad" by accident and its pretty mid imo. i haven't really listened to enhyp3ns song and i don't plan to anyways but i've heard it's terrible and they apparently tried to sample chicago drill music lmaoo
I think no one drags them because they can sing live pretty good. They're dragged for looks, but not talent.
 

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I think no one drags them because they can sing live pretty good. They're dragged for looks, but not talent.
if i'll be honest txt's sudden talent in the vocal department makes me suspicious. it reminds me of taem1n. i remember when i would see alot of people dragging them for their vocals cause they couldn't sing that well but now suddenly with their recent album they seem to be sounding way better than they used to and many people are praising them for it. it could be that they took some vocal training but hybe never really focused that much on vocals and i don't even think these groups even have vocal coaches like they claim. the reason why this all reminds me of taem1n and what makes me suspicious is that i saw this one youtuber explaining how taem1n couldn't sing at all when he started in shinee, but now he suddenly can. alot of fans have even noted that his sudden vocal improvement is impressive and she suspected that some supernatural power was at play. so what i'm basically trying to say is that in my opinion with txt, i think there's more to it behind the smoke and mirrors and there's also some supernatural stuff at play, especially with their sudden vocal talent. and the fact that they even skyrocketed in sales for their recent album... it's all sus to me:confused:
 
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Yeahhh, I'm just not feelin' them...from the style of music to their vocals. They sound jmn level off key here..
Maybe they are overworked and it effected their vocals. Anyway, don't mean to offend anyone.
You're fine! I appreciate your posts and they're very informative. We all like different things. What gives me pause is that my friend thought it was a cult during the show. There was a lot of fire and my friend said it was demonic. Sometimes an outsider can see things we don't.

The group is overworked and don't have vocal training. Bigh1t won't invest in vocals which would improve their music a lot. If they're not careful, the singers could end up with damaged vocal cords like Jm.
 

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You're fine! I appreciate your posts and they're very informative
Thanks, I feel the same way about your posts.
What gives me pause is that my friend thought it was a cult during the show. There was a lot of fire and my friend said it was demonic. Sometimes an outsider can see things we don't
Creepy. Seems like every performance these days is demonic in nature whether in Kpop or western music.
The group is overworked and don't have vocal training. Bigh1t won't invest in vocals which would improve their music a lot. If they're not careful, the singers
So true about hype and their groups. The company really don't care about their artists straining their vocals due to overwork. Jmn for ex. once had a pretty nice falsetto like in the song let me know. He could sing the high note in that song live with relative ease and look at him now.
 

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According to me jk is really trying hard to keep his manliness alive. With those tattoos and that hotel poster which he wantedly showed it. Some here mentioned he is going through rebellion phase.that maybe the reason why he is avoiding cp. There are rumours of him sleeping with anyone. Like here he constantly looks at her. There are many vedios of him looking at girls. Unlike v. If v comes out as g@y it will be big news to world. Or he will pull like James c@rden marry and settle but kiss whoever u like
 
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Jkay is always looking at women but tries to be slick about it

JM is the one who has Armyyy totally fooled cuz that guy is not the gay fairy he pretends to be ,I have seen too many videos of him checking out women
And when not being his btss persona he is actually pretty masculine
 

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if i'll be honest txt's sudden talent in the vocal department makes me suspicious. it reminds me of taem1n. i remember when i would see alot of people dragging them for their vocals cause they couldn't sing that well but now suddenly with their recent album they seem to be sounding way better than they used to and many people are praising them for it. it could be that they took some vocal training but hybe never really focused that much on vocals and i don't even think these groups even have vocal coaches like they claim. the reason why this all reminds me of taem1n and what makes me suspicious is that i saw this one youtuber explaining how taem1n couldn't sing at all when he started in shinee, but now he suddenly can. alot of fans have even noted that his sudden vocal improvement is impressive and she suspected that some supernatural power was at play. so what i'm basically trying to say is that in my opinion with txt, i think there's more to it behind the smoke and mirrors and there's also some supernatural stuff at play, especially with their sudden vocal talent. and the fact that they even skyrocketed in sales for their recent album... it's all sus to me:confused:
I'm a little bit of an insider of music industry in my country and I can explain the situation. I sing and I can say that T x t's vocal line as always been good, they never really had a sudden improvement. With good I definitely don't mean Jungk0ok level, which has an incredibly good control of his vocals, or Hwasa level or whatever lol
But they are good at conveying feelings in the voice, especially Ye0njun, except for T4ehyun who is more technical. I would say a medium level.

The problem with them is: they clearly lack training. Their stamina, especially Ye0njun's, is extremely low so you can watch a very good performance of them and also a very bad one the day after because they're exhausted.
For what live vocals are concerned, unfortunately they are totally playback. I've watched their live concert past week and it was all pre recorded.
This technique that we may use in the pop music industry (which is what SM does everytime with Sh1nee and Tae1m comebacks) is prerecording live vocals with stage mics while dancing or moving softly, edit them and then use the track for lipsyncing so that it sounds live. Of course this way it sounds very natural, but you still can tell because they're moving like crazy in some moves and perfect notes at those moments isn't really possible. Especially if you listen to a whole live and can never hear a mistake, which was T x t's case at the latest online concert, it is clearly pre recorded.

Flaws in vocals of a live performance are beautiful I think, it really bothers me this total lipsync, instead of at least putting background vocals with a high volume and singing on them, because they really are good.

As for what Taem1n is concerned, he had some months to train the vocals and SM has great vocal trainers, they all sing the same way but at least it works. He also said he practiced extremely hard to learn to the point of bleeding (I don't know if this statement can be trusted cause bleeding cant' lead you to learn singing lol)

What B1ghit care most about is the uniqueness of the vocals, so they don't spend money training idols because when you learn technique you could easily lose some of your voice quality for the sake of a correct singing technique. And they also don't think an idol needs to know how to sing
 
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