I have things I did as a child that haunt me to this day. No idea why you think what I said meant was insensitive.Shouldnt a benevolent being be sensitive to actions that hurt not only himself, but others? If one was truly good then bad things should cut them to the heart. You wouldn't refer to them as mere mistskes. How good can someone be who is indifferent to things that harm himself and creation?
I hate anything that teaches crap. And, I hate seeing people give up their conscience and let themselves be controlled by ideas from thousand-year-old musty tomes.
"The words of a prophet are written on a subway wall."
Yes we know you hate a book that teaches people that they are fearfully and wonderfully made and that they have a father in heaven that loves them and values them. We know you hate a book that tells others that if they see a homeless person to give them their coat and buy them a meal. We know you hate a book that tells people to stop doing bad and start doing good. We know you hate soup kitchens and homeless shelters in the name of Christ who just want to give people hope. We know you are full of hatred and ignorance... Christ said that men hate the light so its no surprise. You are a wonderful example.I hate anything that teaches crap. And, I hate seeing people give up their conscience and let themselves be controlled by ideas from thousand-year-old musty tomes.
"The words of a prophet are written on a subway wall."
I certainly don't want to appear that way, so obviously I'm doing something wrong. I should mention I've talked to the "Sage" in the "I Ching" about you thinking I'm hateful:Yes we know you hate a book that teaches people that they are fearfully and wonderfully made and that they have a father in heaven that loves them and values them. We know you hate a book that tells others that if they see a homeless person to give them their coat and buy them a meal. We know you hate a book that tells people to stop doing bad and start doing good. We know you hate soup kitchens and homeless shelters in the name of Christ who just want to give people hope. We know you are full of hatred and ignorance... Christ said that men hate the light so its no surprise. You are a wonderful example.
In the middle of his troubles Job’s wife said “curse God and die”. Satan wants us to throw in the towel. Sometimes we have to get back up and fight another round…Thanks for the responses.
David wrote Psalm 23 feeling God's incredible closeness but also wrote that he calls out to God from the ends of the earth which reflects how far he felt from God.
I think I am in good company with this struggle, I believe God still has a plan just hard to see it at times. But without the Lord I have nothing.
From the end of the earth I will cry to You,
When my heart is overwhelmed;
Lead me to the rock that is higher than I.
I think I kind of get your point of view in some sense. Does it all boil down to, if God is so good why does he allow bad things to happen to people in a sense.I wanted to bring something up and that is the very nature of suffering in life and how I am really struggling with the idea of a good God. Now I have always heard this argument but it's clear I have never really suffered enough.
As much as I understand the concepts. For instance the paradox of. Live a good life, but do not value ur life here on earth. Look to the next life. But in the same breath is this life is bad. Do not moan or groan. Personally I have become confused on what or who God is.
I don't know if I'm being punished or being saved. I'm supposed to feel grateful for tragedy in life or at least resigned which is counterintuitive. I struggle to find a meaning in life when God makes himself almost impossible to detect in the journey of my life in a sense of the roadmap Is not your typical get saved and become okay.
I'm reminded of the man who wrote it is well with my soul - Horatio, but you know as much as I want it to be well with my soul that sentiment just doesn't cut it.
Then I look at some of the fates that have befallen people particularly rare diseases such as fatal familial insomnia, crutzefeld Jakob disease. And see immense suffering inflicted upon someone to the degree that I do not see a reason.
A big side of me just doesnt get it.
The wrath of God poured out on the cross, I just don't get it. Why do we need to be tortured in an eternity to satisfy Gods wrath on our sin. Why not obliterate it ?
I have accepted some of these things on faith without fully agreeing or understanding at times. Particularly when I am faced with my own suffering and my own circumstances and how unfailingly ironic the affliction has been. To the point that I'm surprised I do not go around living life in reverse in hopes of the opposite happening.
If God doesn't move in ur life and grant u peace or if he doesn't resolve whatever u have going In and instead wether it's ur fault or not further complexes issues u came to him to resolve for.
Could one be pushed too far to the point where belief in God has been made almost impossible. Can God push us too far and if so why?
Alot of the issues I feel Christians find hard to rectify are much easier to muse on and assert from a Christian view aslong as they are not actually happening.
I post this thread out of angst and frustration. And on a bit of a merry go round with faith. I don't see the plan, I mean I don't see the good, I don't see how the being allowing this CAN be good. And when I look at others suffering in this life either it means something or it doesnt this life and I just can't fully reconcile it right now and that's not to say I won't someday because without God my life feels even emptier but there's a certain satisfaction In the rebellion given that it intuitively what is happening and why just doesn't feel right.
God wasn't a sinnerBut there are these complexities in life what if someone commits a crime while possessed or people are blackmailed into things or mentally disturbed there are endless scenarios where I think what part does God possibly play in that, the COVID vaccines for instance, the denial of reaction, I just think where is God in this. What about pastors that kill themselves surely that should never happen ? Where is Gods protection. I don't understand there is no rhyme or reason to these things and that is what is confusing.
I recently thought I needed to be closer to God and sought him at least alot more than I have and my life got quite worse not better. So with knowing that God won't necessarily provide a way he wont prosper me, he won't free me as promised what reason do I have left to follow ? What I'm saying is in my reality the cause and effect isn't matching. Does not compute. If I'm supposed to be grateful for every second of existence no matter how torturous then I suppose those in hell should too?
What I'm saying is if ur life doesn't get better physically spiritually emotionally? Why follow God because he's God ? That doesn't really cut it.
It's like me saying u know my dad beat me up and still allows me to get beat up but I love him he's my dad .
Infact that's almost an inversion of the gospel that while God was a "sinner" we loved him anyway ? Yeh I'm struggling with this. Makes very little sense to me.
True, I'm still struggling with the same sin I struggled with before I was baptized. Not only that but paired up with heneous words cursing God, I can't differentiate if it's me or not anymore. It's hard to stay clean which is what made me angry and leave God.Sometimes I wonder though. I think despite the persecutions of Pauls day I still believe its harder to be a Christian today then it was back then. I know many would disagree with that. Being confined to a prison would be a very depressing fate, but what depresses me is the idea of a prolonged life of constant and unending warfare against the flesh in this present satanic system. Perhaps I speak in ignorance, but a part of me would rather be whipped and beaten then be tempted for life by my past sins. I used to live a very carnal life. I cant walk anywhere without some sort of reminder and temptation of my former life.
The chuch has never seen anything like what we are dealing with today. Im on year 10 as a servant of Christ and it takes its toll on a person. I hope God puts an end to this matrix of evil soon, because I see so many young Christians who love the lord start out well though time goes by and Satan brings them right back to their past sins and addictions and keeps them there in chains. Its hard to stay clean in this age of techno sorcery and seduction and you fight and you war, but you get tired and i dont know if the young church can handle 10 or 20 more years of this satanic onslaught/ war against the spirit . The church hasnt seen or experienced anything like it. Persecutions, poverty, and hiding always helped the church. Prosperity and being at ease in zion has given it trouble.