Can God push us too far.

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I don’t believe in death.
Thats right you have dangerous apocalyptic beliefs about aliens.
 






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Shouldnt a benevolent being be sensitive to actions that hurt not only himself, but others? If one was truly good then bad things should cut them to the heart. You wouldn't refer to them as mere mistskes. How good can someone be who is indifferent to things that harm himself and creation?
I have things I did as a child that haunt me to this day. No idea why you think what I said meant was insensitive.
 






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Nothing apocalyptic about what I believe about aliens. Not believing in death has nothing to do with aliens, sorry.
Werent you teaching that aliens want to start an intergalactic war with God to prevent the second coming of Christ?
 






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Nope. The rulers of this world want to stage a war with aliens in order to force the return of Christ so they can institute a world wide theocracy with a holographic Christ. Thanks for not listening to anything I said.
My mistake
 






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If anything all we are doing is substantiating the Bibles verdict of man. You two claim to be good and virtuous yet you come into a Christian thread and show that you are full of disdain, prejudice, debate, intolerance, sarcasm, and hostility toward Christians. Its these very vices and propensities inherint within all of us that will never allow this world to ascend. It shows the true nature of humans and why we cant fix these age old problems. Christ was right about human nature and what was in man.


John 2:24-25
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24 But Jesus did not commit himself unto them, because he knew all men,
25 And needed not that any should testify of man: for he knew what was in man.

Mark 7:20-23
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20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
 






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Yes we know you hate what the Bible teaches.
I hate anything that teaches crap. And, I hate seeing people give up their conscience and let themselves be controlled by ideas from thousand-year-old musty tomes.

"The words of a prophet are written on a subway wall."
 






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I am sorry SeekinHeart
seems this thread turned into the same as the last one
I would recommend that you just stay living your life as good as you can
You will either have something
touch your life again that will restore the faith you once had
Or you won't
so long as you live good
I believe you'll still find fulfillment and meaning in this life

To everyone else
We are all here because
at some point we found out
what we thought we knew were lies
If they have lied about what we think they have
then why would I not question everything

As I said in the other thread
For whatever reason
My beliefs are mine
Your beliefs are yours
We are not gonna change either belief
No matter how much we debate argue or what have ya
 






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I hate anything that teaches crap. And, I hate seeing people give up their conscience and let themselves be controlled by ideas from thousand-year-old musty tomes.

"The words of a prophet are written on a subway wall."
I hate anything that teaches crap. And, I hate seeing people give up their conscience and let themselves be controlled by ideas from thousand-year-old musty tomes.

"The words of a prophet are written on a subway wall."
Yes we know you hate a book that teaches people that they are fearfully and wonderfully made and that they have a father in heaven that loves them and values them. We know you hate a book that tells others that if they see a homeless person to give them their coat and buy them a meal. We know you hate a book that tells people to stop doing bad and start doing good. We know you hate soup kitchens and homeless shelters in the name of Christ who just want to give people hope. We know you are full of hatred and ignorance... Christ said that men hate the light so its no surprise. You are a wonderful example.
 






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Yes we know you hate a book that teaches people that they are fearfully and wonderfully made and that they have a father in heaven that loves them and values them. We know you hate a book that tells others that if they see a homeless person to give them their coat and buy them a meal. We know you hate a book that tells people to stop doing bad and start doing good. We know you hate soup kitchens and homeless shelters in the name of Christ who just want to give people hope. We know you are full of hatred and ignorance... Christ said that men hate the light so its no surprise. You are a wonderful example.
I certainly don't want to appear that way, so obviously I'm doing something wrong. I should mention I've talked to the "Sage" in the "I Ching" about you thinking I'm hateful:

"Here the restraining force is absolutely superior; hence no struggle takes place. One submits and removes the axletrees from the wagon -in other words, contents himself with waiting. In this way, energy accumulates for a vigorous advance later on." -- Hex. 26, Restraint, line 2. >Hex. 36, Darkening of the Light

The Sage is usually right about these things. I'll back off...for now... :)
 






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Thanks for the responses.

David wrote Psalm 23 feeling God's incredible closeness but also wrote that he calls out to God from the ends of the earth which reflects how far he felt from God.

I think I am in good company with this struggle, I believe God still has a plan just hard to see it at times. But without the Lord I have nothing.

Psalm 61:2

From the end of the earth I will cry to You,
When my heart is overwhelmed;
Lead me to the rock that is higher than I.
 






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Thanks for the responses.

David wrote Psalm 23 feeling God's incredible closeness but also wrote that he calls out to God from the ends of the earth which reflects how far he felt from God.

I think I am in good company with this struggle, I believe God still has a plan just hard to see it at times. But without the Lord I have nothing.

Psalm 61:2

From the end of the earth I will cry to You,
When my heart is overwhelmed;
Lead me to the rock that is higher than I.
In the middle of his troubles Job’s wife said “curse God and die”. Satan wants us to throw in the towel. Sometimes we have to get back up and fight another round…

 






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I wanted to bring something up and that is the very nature of suffering in life and how I am really struggling with the idea of a good God. Now I have always heard this argument but it's clear I have never really suffered enough.

As much as I understand the concepts. For instance the paradox of. Live a good life, but do not value ur life here on earth. Look to the next life. But in the same breath is this life is bad. Do not moan or groan. Personally I have become confused on what or who God is.

I don't know if I'm being punished or being saved. I'm supposed to feel grateful for tragedy in life or at least resigned which is counterintuitive. I struggle to find a meaning in life when God makes himself almost impossible to detect in the journey of my life in a sense of the roadmap Is not your typical get saved and become okay.

I'm reminded of the man who wrote it is well with my soul - Horatio, but you know as much as I want it to be well with my soul that sentiment just doesn't cut it.

Then I look at some of the fates that have befallen people particularly rare diseases such as fatal familial insomnia, crutzefeld Jakob disease. And see immense suffering inflicted upon someone to the degree that I do not see a reason.

A big side of me just doesnt get it.

The wrath of God poured out on the cross, I just don't get it. Why do we need to be tortured in an eternity to satisfy Gods wrath on our sin. Why not obliterate it ?

I have accepted some of these things on faith without fully agreeing or understanding at times. Particularly when I am faced with my own suffering and my own circumstances and how unfailingly ironic the affliction has been. To the point that I'm surprised I do not go around living life in reverse in hopes of the opposite happening.

If God doesn't move in ur life and grant u peace or if he doesn't resolve whatever u have going In and instead wether it's ur fault or not further complexes issues u came to him to resolve for.

Could one be pushed too far to the point where belief in God has been made almost impossible. Can God push us too far and if so why?

Alot of the issues I feel Christians find hard to rectify are much easier to muse on and assert from a Christian view aslong as they are not actually happening.

I post this thread out of angst and frustration. And on a bit of a merry go round with faith. I don't see the plan, I mean I don't see the good, I don't see how the being allowing this CAN be good. And when I look at others suffering in this life either it means something or it doesnt this life and I just can't fully reconcile it right now and that's not to say I won't someday because without God my life feels even emptier but there's a certain satisfaction In the rebellion given that it intuitively what is happening and why just doesn't feel right.
I think I kind of get your point of view in some sense. Does it all boil down to, if God is so good why does he allow bad things to happen to people in a sense.

And I fell back for the past months which led me to these extensive thoughts however came back since life without God was utter emptiness, the deep flippin gutter and seeking temporary pleasures.

God is a judge from my understanding, a righteous one and I believe he allowed humans to be parents to grasp somewhat of the concept he has. If your children do something wrong or against your rules, you punish them. Now let's say your child rapes or kills your other child. What do you do? , how do you feel,? do you still love them? and how would you punish them? Then place that into God's perspective.

A normal human I suppose would renounce that child as a bastard or try to defend them by all means. Thus God having created the law, he never changes thus he, knowing that no one would be left and loving his creation he had to judge himself in flesh for the sins of humanity combined. We became fatherless however within the concept of love he was willing to accept us "if" we would change just like a parent would, if your child doesn't continue causing havoc in other people's lives then can you be civil with them.

We do this to people as well, people who are so disgustingly evil that they make your stomach churn like the elite families ritualistic abuse. We want them to suffer for their actions, we want them to die in agony, thus what makes us think God who created us won't have the same level of disgust and imagine if he didn't do anything about it. Our ears would be puffed with smoke since justice should be served.

Now also unfortunately due to the original sin there are reprucusions for that. The moment sin was injected within the human race, we became susceptible to any kind of demonic attack since God became disconnected from us. That is why I believe the sin which was committed in the garden of Eden was way worse then a bite of an actual fruit. I

It had to have had an impact so great that it brought forth pain and agony,everything to do with blood.

Now God could've obliterated the devil there and then however he didn't since he wanted us to see him for what he is and experience what kind of leader he will be. And all the devil does is bring forth misery.

I am genuinely a living testament to the grace of God, I don't know how my life will be in the future but my wars are internal in the comfort of my home where I can eat enough to be satisfied , I have no fatal disease. And if one wishes to be healed, all they have to do is believe and they shall be healed. The concept does not change that's why the LOA thrives in today's society. It works but it's dependent on different powers.

But I do have a question, how is evil outside of God if God is all there is? I know that evil comes from perversion of good but it would've made more sense if there was another demon which made itself and perverted good while God was good and all knowing. I'm a bit conflicted
 






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But there are these complexities in life what if someone commits a crime while possessed or people are blackmailed into things or mentally disturbed there are endless scenarios where I think what part does God possibly play in that, the COVID vaccines for instance, the denial of reaction, I just think where is God in this. What about pastors that kill themselves surely that should never happen ? Where is Gods protection. I don't understand there is no rhyme or reason to these things and that is what is confusing.


I recently thought I needed to be closer to God and sought him at least alot more than I have and my life got quite worse not better. So with knowing that God won't necessarily provide a way he wont prosper me, he won't free me as promised what reason do I have left to follow ? What I'm saying is in my reality the cause and effect isn't matching. Does not compute. If I'm supposed to be grateful for every second of existence no matter how torturous then I suppose those in hell should too?

What I'm saying is if ur life doesn't get better physically spiritually emotionally? Why follow God because he's God ? That doesn't really cut it.

It's like me saying u know my dad beat me up and still allows me to get beat up but I love him he's my dad .

Infact that's almost an inversion of the gospel that while God was a "sinner" we loved him anyway ? Yeh I'm struggling with this. Makes very little sense to me.
God wasn't a sinner

However he doesn't beat you up, if we are to make a comparison in a father and son relationship then in this case the father would allow the son to be beat up under two conditions.

1.) he can handle it
2.) what will he do about it

If the son doesn't fight back for himself by asking for help from his father , he will only be lead into a path of destruction and misery.

Not gonna lie my journey was blissful till late December when ish started to hit the roof however I knew why this happened and perhaps identifying the problem will help alongside. But I made the worst mistake which cost me my grades. I backslid because I was so angry at him for my own faults....literally..... He didn't do anything..... But I did...

The Christian lifestyle was never meant to be easy and the fact that it's hard proves you're doing something right and within that moment, I genuinely ask that you don't walk away because you will have to work ten times harder to go back to the same position you were in as a baby Christian.

Like my state right now I still don't feel God near me whatsoever but he is there,,,, somewhere. I only came back 2 weeks ago BTW.

And also always chose the winning side.... always only for our surprise we didn't get a dictator but a father.
 






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Sometimes I wonder though. I think despite the persecutions of Pauls day I still believe its harder to be a Christian today then it was back then. I know many would disagree with that. Being confined to a prison would be a very depressing fate, but what depresses me is the idea of a prolonged life of constant and unending warfare against the flesh in this present satanic system. Perhaps I speak in ignorance, but a part of me would rather be whipped and beaten then be tempted for life by my past sins. I used to live a very carnal life. I cant walk anywhere without some sort of reminder and temptation of my former life.

The chuch has never seen anything like what we are dealing with today. Im on year 10 as a servant of Christ and it takes its toll on a person. I hope God puts an end to this matrix of evil soon, because I see so many young Christians who love the lord start out well though time goes by and Satan brings them right back to their past sins and addictions and keeps them there in chains. Its hard to stay clean in this age of techno sorcery and seduction and you fight and you war, but you get tired and i dont know if the young church can handle 10 or 20 more years of this satanic onslaught/ war against the spirit . The church hasnt seen or experienced anything like it. Persecutions, poverty, and hiding always helped the church. Prosperity and being at ease in zion has given it trouble.
True, I'm still struggling with the same sin I struggled with before I was baptized. Not only that but paired up with heneous words cursing God, I can't differentiate if it's me or not anymore. It's hard to stay clean which is what made me angry and leave God.

And as crazy as it sounds I used to envy poor people since they hadn't been placed in an education system which taught them there was no God. Poor people seemingly believed in God without a doubt nor reasoning. Poverty has its advantages likewise wealth.
 






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