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Maes17

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Its unfortunate and even hard to believe that people are being pitted in these situations, but every entity and agency that enforces mandatory vaccinations on its employees is enabling too dangerous of a precedence to be set. Its for that reason that both they and the ones pressuring them ought to be protested.
People are protesting. Look at australia, look at the demographics of the US right now.

I don’t know whar covid is. For the past two years it’s all chalked up to nothing but the flu.

Now what annoys me is how politicized this situation has gotten. I think the political narrative is what is dividing people and creating labels. Everyone wants a solution but nobody wants to meet in the middle to actually push for a solution.

We have zionist rooting for biblical prophecies, vax vs anti vax and the ego to be right, democrat vs republican, white vs black, people struggling paycheck to paycheck with no hope and the only outlet to be angry and resort to other means to survive.

Honestly, where in the fuck do we wake up and see we’re the problem? Realistically people backstab each other more so than lending a helping hand. Differences are petty but driving everyone apart.


- emotional rant done
:p

We’re at where we are at with mandates etc cause everyone just doesn’t know and we point the blame at each other
 






Lyfe

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People are protesting. Look at australia, look at the demographics of the US right now.

I don’t know whar covid is. For the past two years it’s all chalked up to nothing but the flu.

Now what annoys me is how politicized this situation has gotten. I think the political narrative is what is dividing people and creating labels. Everyone wants a solution but nobody wants to meet in the middle to actually push for a solution.

We have zionist rooting for biblical prophecies, vax vs anti vax and the ego to be right, democrat vs republican, white vs black, people struggling paycheck to paycheck with no hope and the only outlet to be angry and resort to other means to survive.

Honestly, where in the fuck do we wake up and see we’re the problem? Realistically people backstab each other more so than lending a helping hand. Differences are petty but driving everyone apart.


- emotional rant done
:p

We’re at where we are at with mandates etc cause everyone just doesn’t know and we point the blame at each other
If meeting in the middle means being indifferent and tolerant toward employers and governing powers that mandate vaccines then we may as well just replace the flag with a swasitka right now.

I mean its all leading to the same outcome.
 






Maes17

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If meeting in the middle means being indifferent and tolerant toward employers and governing powers that mandate vaccines then we may as well just replace the flag with a swasitka right now.

I mean its all leading to the same outcome.
Being indifferent or the fact that everyone fell for the bait and politicized the flu.

This all started with race riots in the obama era and has gradually trickled into every facet of culture. It’s quite sad really how no one can enjoy anything because it doesn’t align with their politics.

The people are as much to blame as the politicians. Until people learn to stop bringing politics and religion into everything and wanting to control aspects of others life, there is really no hope for positive change
 






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If meeting in the middle means being indifferent and tolerant toward employers and governing powers that mandate vaccines then we may as well just replace the flag with a swasitka right now.

I mean its all leading to the same outcome.
There are employers mandating vaccines of their own free will: Disney, Facebook, Goldman Sachs, Citigroup etc

Then there are employers being forced to implement mandates passed down by the government: restaurants and gyms and entertainment venues in NYC and parts of California.

it would behoove you to recognize the difference. One group is the enemy, the other is a fellow victim - just like us.

as I said I can not see my state mandating vaccines (the governor has been stripped off his power to make pandemic decisions) and definitely not my local government. Less than 40% of my county is vaccinated and most that have been are elderly and not in the workforce. They would have NO workers or customers if they tried. But that doesn’t mean that liability insurance isn’t going to come down and try this shit at some point and then what do you do? I will personally try to make everyone independent contractors and see if I can get away with it but I’m in an industry where that’s common anyway - most businesses are not and that isn’t even an option for them.

your engaging in the same knee jerk divide and conquer bullshit as everyone else that has never gotten us anywhere.
 






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It's happening everywhere. US military had a deadline of 8/30 to be fully vaxxed. I'm in CO and the Denver Police Dept is going through the same thing. Health providers have a deadline for Oct 1. I changed jobs a month ago to work from home. I'm not taking the jab.
 






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Being indifferent or the fact that everyone fell for the bait and politicized the flu.

This all started with race riots in the obama era and has gradually trickled into every facet of culture. It’s quite sad really how no one can enjoy anything because it doesn’t align with their politics.

The people are as much to blame as the politicians. Until people learn to stop bringing politics and religion into everything and wanting to control aspects of others life, there is really no hope for positive change
I guess I am just a bit confused as to what you mean when you suggest we all need to meet in the middle. There is no meeting in the middle with vaccine mandates. You either get one or you are in violation of terms. There was no intial convene where states and employers that mandated this sat down and went over things with the people. They just mandated it without consent. How do you meet in the middle with someone enforcing a mandate that demands you get a vaccine? Im confused....
 






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There are employers mandating vaccines of their own free will: Disney, Facebook, Goldman Sachs, Citigroup etc

Then there are employers being forced to implement mandates passed down by the government: restaurants and gyms and entertainment venues in NYC and parts of California.

it would behoove you to recognize the difference. One group is the enemy, the other is a fellow victim - just like us.

as I said I can not see my state mandating vaccines (the governor has been stripped off his power to make pandemic decisions) and definitely not my local government. Less than 40% of my county is vaccinated and most that have been are elderly and not in the workforce. They would have NO workers or customers if they tried. But that doesn’t mean that liability insurance isn’t going to come down and try this shit at some point and then what do you do? I will personally try to make everyone independent contractors and see if I can get away with it but I’m in an industry where that’s common anyway - most businesses are not and that isn’t even an option for them.

your engaging in the same knee jerk divide and conquer bullshit as everyone else that has never gotten us anywhere.
So your basically telling people they are in the wrong and have no grounds to protest employers and businesses that have vaccine mandates in effect?
 






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I guess I am just a bit confused as to what you mean when you suggest we all need to meet in the middle. There is no meeting in the middle with vaccine mandates. You either get one or you are in violation of terms. There was no intial convene where states and employers that mandated this sat down and went over things with the people. They just mandated it without consent. How do you meet in the middle with someone enforcing a mandate that demands you get a vaccine? Im confused....
I am saying citizens need to meet in the middle and protest. Having one side protest isn’t going to change a thing.

Even if someone is pro vax they can still be someone who doesn’t agree with company mandates. The more people who don’t comply, the sooner companies realize the power is in the employees hands
 






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I guess I am just a bit confused as to what you mean when you suggest we all need to meet in the middle. There is no meeting in the middle with vaccine mandates. You either get one or you are in violation of terms. There was no intial convene where states and employers that mandated this sat down and went over things with the people. They just mandated it without consent. How do you meet in the middle with someone enforcing a mandate that demands you get a vaccine? Im confused....
What are you going to do when the government says you need the shot to get unemployment or other payouts?
 






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What are you going to do when the government says you need the shot to get unemployment or other payouts?
I dont know. One thing I do know is that im not going to get a shot. The only way I would ever sign an exemption is if they recognize mandatory vaccination as an infringement of my rights as a himan being. Im not going to seek an exemption on the basis of anything else that wont recognize the real reason or allow me to express the real reason.

If that means me working for less pay or at an unideal place where mandates arent in effect then so be it.
 






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I would like to say take the vaccine if you have no choice but you're not safe when you take it because they can and will move the goalpost to a third jab or more with the same restrictions for the vaccinated who refuses another jab.
So if you're an employee and you don't want the jab you may change your job if you're left with no other option and if you're your own boss, you may want to doublecheck with lawyers if your business can legally be closed since you refuse to verify the health status of your employees and customers because these are supposed to be private medical data.
As a boss you can eventually pay for the crooked pcr test of your employees but the sole fact that you have to do something clearly against human logic must be enough for many to protest these unconstitutional mandates.

For sure there is no easy answer if you're not prepared to face something like this.
 






justjess

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So your basically telling people they are in the wrong and have no grounds to protest employers and businesses that have vaccine mandates in effect?
No that isn’t what I’m saying. But I’m fully aware you have serious reading comprehension issues so that’s no shock. Protest the governments mandating them, protest the businesses doing them voluntarily. There should be some solidarity with the business owners who are having it forced on them every bit as much as their employees are. But I guess that’s too much for you to compute. Much easier to see everything in black and white and demonize and further divide even inaccurately - I’m sure the ptb love you.

Also - how do you survive with no job?
 






justjess

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I dont know. One thing I do know is that im not going to get a shot. The only way I would ever sign an exemption is if they recognize mandatory vaccination as an infringement of my rights as a himan being. Im not going to seek an exemption on the basis of anything else that wont recognize the real reason or allow me to express the real reason.

If that means me working for less pay or at an unideal place where mandates arent in effect then so be it.
They already recognized that. Supreme Court 1905. They said public health trumped your rights in certain situations. Not that it wasn’t your right and making you get a vaccine wasn’t an infringement. Lucky you - you can go get your exemption now. Problem solved.
 






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People are protesting. Look at australia, look at the demographics of the US right now.

I don’t know whar covid is. For the past two years it’s all chalked up to nothing but the flu.

Now what annoys me is how politicized this situation has gotten. I think the political narrative is what is dividing people and creating labels. Everyone wants a solution but nobody wants to meet in the middle to actually push for a solution.

We have zionist rooting for biblical prophecies, vax vs anti vax and the ego to be right, democrat vs republican, white vs black, people struggling paycheck to paycheck with no hope and the only outlet to be angry and resort to other means to survive.

Honestly, where in the fuck do we wake up and see we’re the problem? Realistically people backstab each other more so than lending a helping hand. Differences are petty but driving everyone apart.


- emotional rant done
:p

We’re at where we are at with mandates etc cause everyone just doesn’t know and we point the blame at each other

I'm waiting to see who the blame will be placed on if there happens to be cases in the State Fair. I am placing my bets on the workers they hired to check for the vaccine card validity.
 






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No that isn’t what I’m saying. But I’m fully aware you have serious reading comprehension issues so that’s no shock. Protest the governments mandating them, protest the businesses doing them voluntarily. There should be some solidarity with the business owners who are having it forced on them every bit as much as their employees are. But I guess that’s too much for you to compute. Much easier to see everything in black and white and demonize and further divide even inaccurately - I’m sure the ptb love you.

Also - how do you survive with no job?
You are aware of the data linking the vaccines to irreconcilable health problems. Its black and and white for me.
 






justjess

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You are aware of the data linking the vaccines to irreconcilable health problems. Its black and and white for me.
Your really proving those reading comprehension issues today, huh?
Whether or not the vaccine is good or bad or whether to take it IS black and white.
Who the enemy is with these mandates - not soo much.

people voluntarily implementing them and the government forcing other businesses to implement them - yeah that’s clear cut.

the small businesses being forced to have them or lose everything? That’s not so clear and quite frankly it is easy as hell to judge others choices when you yourself have nothing to lose in this debate. No job, no business and I take it your living with your parents or on benefits of some sort - none of which is in jeopardy right now or for the foreseeable future.
 






Lyfe

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Your really proving those reading comprehension issues today, huh?
Whether or not the vaccine is good or bad or whether to take it IS black and white.
Who the enemy is with these mandates - not soo much.

people voluntarily implementing them and the government forcing other businesses to implement them - yeah that’s clear cut.

the small businesses being forced to have them or lose everything? That’s not so clear and quite frankly it is easy as hell to judge others choices when you yourself have nothing to lose in this debate. No job, no business and I take it your living with your parents or on benefits of some sort - none of which is in jeopardy right now or for the foreseeable future.
Im not receiving unemployment and I have my own place. You dont have to like my stance nor do I have to continue to justify it to you. The moment any business decides to cooperate with forced mandates and will require their employees to receive this vaccine as a condition for employment is the moment they become willing to risk the health of their employees just to stay in business. Keeping their business alive over respecting the safety and free will of their employees is no real justification. If many want to play ball with the government then thats on them. I wont support that estabilshment. I wont object to people protesting them either if they want to as a means to keep them in check.

Your the one who brought up small private businesses even though I wasnt even mainly addressing them, but i will say this. If they cant figure something out and choose to remain in business under these imposed conditions then they deserve protest just like the government does. If I worked for a place that enforced mandates I woulda left it and found a job that didnt.
 






Maes17

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I'm waiting to see who the blame will be placed on if there happens to be cases in the State Fair. I am placing my bets on the workers they hired to check for the vaccine card validity.
They want one half of the population to blame the other half. Now that the racial and political protest have divided people. They somehow baited even the most moderate of people to fall into a side
 






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