Expect a false flag to be blamed on Antifa/BLM

[vancityeagle]

Intelligence agencies spying on Portland protesters. Yeah they are really supported by the elites.

 

[Karlysymon]

I'm not saying they are not out there. There are some good ones. They are a tiny minority amongst the overall psy op IMO.

Very few are in it for genuine reasons. Some operatives are easy to spot, others not as much.

Its all about ratio of disinformation to truth. The good ones hide their poison among layers of good information.

Unfortunately nowadays they dont even have to be good to be effective. They can get away with way more lies today than they could even 5 or so years ago. Much of the "alt media" is just telling outright lies. Emotions are enough to manipulate people these days, most people aren't interested in real investigative journalism, they are just looking for reinforcements to what they already believe.

What we are witnessing is a long drawn out strategy of information warfare and psychological manipulation. The elites have been weaponizing "conspiracy theories" for well over a century, at least.

Archive.org.

"I don’t know know any imaginable way you can get information…First of all…Because, about 30%, based on what I believe…and you know what? Who says I’m right? According to my belief, and I have as good of, uh access to information as anyone in the world, probably, anyone I know of. About 30% of what’s written on Veterans Today, is patently false. About 40% of what I write, is at least purposely, partially false, because if I didn’t write false information I wouldn’t be alive. I simply have to do that. I write…anything I write I write between the lines."~ Gordon Duff of Veterans Today

 

[Corvus Metus]

you mean like how everyone thought coronavirus was deadly at first?

I mean, it's still pretty damn dangerous to older people.

But nothing about antifa changed. Five minutes of research would have told anyone that most of them are anarchists. Anti-globalist and anti-state, opposed to police violence (and police in general), etc.

Yeah, for me the problem with the BLM protests is more that they are not actually revolutionary in nature, just another call for "change within the system". They might be rioting, but I don't see them as particularly anti-capitalist in a general sense. It's true that most of the people I've known who were antifa were anti-zionists, anti-capitalists, alter-globalists etc.

EDIT: Not that I'm suggesting that rioting is a particularly good idea, it's just a way in which popular frustration expresses itself. Obviously they are better ways to make a struggle.

That's my issue with the everything. While you'll see revolutionary elements here and there, it quickly gets overshadowed by reformative ideology, backed by corporate and media interests that benefit from the status quo.

Yeah it’s just obvious. It’s the Netflix Pepsi Bank of America revolution. This time the hyper rich are on the people’s side!

I know people who identify as anti-fascist. None of them believe they hyper-rich are on their side.

in America they are being used to carry out an elitist agenda, it’s anyone’s guess how controlled these things are but from my perspective, the calculated take down of America went like this - have a populist anti establishment candidate win. Have him say things most normal people agree with, illegal immigration bad, terrorism bad, stop foreign wars, bring back industry, stop the corruption in Washington, all the obvious things that everyone can recognize are the countries problems.

Here's the thing... A lot of people don't see Trump as "anti-establishment" as his fanbase does. I sure as hell don't... He's a corporate stooge. He "drains the swamp", while appointing telecommunications executives in character of the FCC. He talks about how made the military-industrial complex is and how he hates foreign wars... By pushing for a more militant police force, domestically. He's the same bullshit we've, but like kids in the 90's who felt they were rebels of listening to nu metal and pop punk, he's nothing more than approved rebellion.

 

[lightseeker]

I know people who identify as anti-fascist. None of them believe they hyper-rich are on their side.

They’re not “on their side”, they’re being used, useful idiots if you will

Here's the thing... A lot of people don't see Trump as "anti-establishment" as his fanbase does. I sure as hell don't... He's a corporate stooge. He "drains the swamp", while appointing telecommunications executives in character of the FCC. He talks about how made the military-industrial complex is and how he hates foreign wars... By pushing for a more militant police force, domestically. He's the same bullshit we've, but like kids in the 90's who felt they were rebels of listening to nu metal and pop punk, he's nothing more than approved rebellion.

Yeah I basically agree with this

 

[DavidSon]

I've been saying this for nearly 5 years but it is becomming increasingly clear to me that what we call "alt media" and the "truth movement", "conspiracy culture" is nothing more than an orchestrated elite psy op to condition people to accept fascism....

...we now have nonsense like QAnon, Pizzagate, George Soros, and you have an army of delusional cult followers who will believe ANYTHING their cult leader and his media apparatus puts out.

The first statement is an exaggeration. I mean there's so many channels and voices coming from all directions, such a generalization doesn't fit IMO. Conspiracy researchers have traditionally been right leaning (think Bill Cooper and E.Griffin) though the left has always done it's own investigations into corporate crime, etc. Occupy and the 9-11 TM are examples of a somewhat non-partisan effort to track down factual material.

I've posted my theory before but after the US housing crash the internet was flooded with flat earth and ancient alien discussions, which I've heard called "conspiritainment". Sort of like the glut of "Illuminati" videos, they're mostly a distraction from real subjects that could have real solutions.

The second sentence I agree. The hysterical, inane propaganda spewed by Q followers is the result of one co-intel platform- infowars. I believe the swine Alex Jones and his minions such as Cernovitch have harmed many young, conservative leaning minds. Brandon Smith of alt-media (thanks @Karlysymon !) has talked about the cult of Trump (led by Bannon, Stone) derailing legitimate conservative politics like Ron Paul's Liberty Movement. Bitchute is endless pages of theories about (as you noted) cultural Marxism and the democrats Bolshevik takeover of America. Multiple clones of infowars and probably not organic. We even read people here regurgitating these memes. Some of the claims, like Obama and Biden are socialists, or the anarchist destruction of democrat cities (yawn) are so ridiculous the ground to have a meaningful discussion is non-existent. I want to start retweeting Biden quotes to show people how idiotic their faith in Trump is.

As for a false flag blamed on antifa it's very possible but at this point anything is.

 

[justjess]

Intelligence agencies spying on Portland protesters. Yeah they are really supported by the elites.

I think the idea of being “coopted” is a bit more complicated then all that. Vast majority of people out there are regular people, angry with cause. Thrown in the mix are people being paid to escalate tensions/disorder. Spying is only for the regular people. It’s entrapment. We have a long record of doing this...

 

[vancityeagle]

The first statement is an exaggeration. I mean there's so many channels and voices coming from all directions, such a generalization doesn't fit IMO.

Yes it is a sort of generalization and I realize there are literally hundreds channels, content creators, researchers etc.

The problem is that the legit ones are pretty much all drowned out by the garbage.

The major players are all co-opted, they've been given huge platforms and publicity.

Any person "waking up" so to speak will be directed straight into another path of disinformation. The results of this we see today, with the "truth movment" serving as a literal propagnada arm of the Trump regime.

Yeah the height of the truth movement was probably in the aftermath of 911, where we could all agree the official story was BS and that it was an inside job in order to support the imperialist foreign policy and "clash of civilizations" of certian Neocons, Zionists, and imperialists. Sure there was a lot of disagreement on the particulars, but we pretty much all agreed on those basic facts. At that time the percentage of the public who were engaged in unpacking that conspiracy was very small. Today the percentage of the public engaged in conspiracy culture is much larger, and its filled with utter nonsense, all by design.

 

[vancityeagle]

Vast majority of people out there are regular people, angry with cause.

No you are wrong.

The 26 million citizens who took part in the protests are communists who "hate America" and "want to see it burn" and are employed by George Soros (healthcare benefits and all) to riot and throw moltov cocktails at the property of real Americans. Oh and they are also blood drinking pedophiles on their days off.

 

[lightseeker]

No you are wrong.

The 26 million citizens who took part in the protests are communists who "hate America" and "want to see it burn" and are employed by George Soros (healthcare benefits and all) to riot and throw moltov cocktails at the property of real Americans. Oh and they are also blood drinking pedophiles on their days off.

You are a communist though lol.
They did 700 riots, and the cities refused to call any of them riots for the first few months. If you count every person standing on a boulevard with a sign and discount the thousands of riots, you get that number. Regardless it’s not at all how you are trying to portray it

 

[shankara]

You are a communist though lol.
They did 700 riots, and the cities refused to call any of them riots for the first few months. If you count every person standing on a boulevard with a sign and discount the thousands of riots, you get that number. Regardless it’s not at all how you are trying to portray it

I can understand why people become communists. Marx was like a pirate, and is still hijacking revolutionaries to this day.

 

[DavidSon]

...Most common normal working Americans support him, making them the enemy, along with the proposed solutions to real problems. Have antifa serve as footsoldiers of the media campaign to stop, trump but also the common working American sentiment. these people are the enemy so attacks on them are justified, even if they are just driving their car, sitting at a restaurant, maintaining a business.

again it’s anyone guess how calculated these things are. I am of the opinion that social control has been a science studied by the elite for decades and they are actually pretty good and manipulating populations to do what they want. The end goal being the founding values of the united states being deemed incompatible with the new world order, to have them fall in line with the globalist agenda for control, the rothschild/bilderberg type plans

Bro it seems like you're falling for parts of the republican propaganda campaign. Don't you question the fact you're restating the assertions of liars like Guliani, Trump, and Marco Rubio?

1/2 of the US didn't vote in 2016 so in reality Trump only represents 25% of the population. The "common working American sentiment" is more accurately the perspective of predominantly rural areas.

I still say too many smart people are overstating the threat of the BLM protests. The protests ranged anywhere from a few dozen to 10,000(?) at their peak a few months ago. To put the numbers in context, college football games draw 100,000 EACH on a weekly basis, . The protests aren't sweeping America, and as was pointed out 93% over the summer were completely peaceful.

I was into the whole "color revolution" talk some weeks ago but that narrative is falling apart. The more scenes of protests I watch, they're led by African Americans at the front of the line... not foreign agents or even suburban anti-fascists. I know the Denver protests were pretty small and led by local civil rights activists. I'd agree they're being aided by democrat PACs but the issue is more of a nothingburger than the devil Mike Pence wants us to believe.

I understand the concept of an intention to crumble the US but there's way larger means to achieve those ends, like a 2nd lockdown to crush the economy or a FF to "force" Dump's hand against Iran.

 

[Tubby Walters]

As soon as the left drops the antiwhite nonsense.

Don't think they realize how damaging that all really is

And its wrong and evil.

And for the american jews who don't think they are white, look no further than what evil nick Kanyon recently said.

 

[lightseeker]

93% over the summer were completely peaceful.

I would love to hear how they arrived at that number. Because it’s always thrown out without evidence, I’m going to guess it’s taking liberties with the facts aka a lie. Reporters called them peaceful while standing in front of cities on fire.

what is ignored is that those riots were not organic. They were created by the media, showing some drug addict overdosing and running stories that he was murdered. I doubt theyve even publically amended the facts yet. This came the week after they started running stories on Arbury, a case which happened 4 months prior. They were searching for this result, riots. when the riots occurred, they covered for them. They called them peaceful, ran stories about non existent white supremacists, refused to call them riots until months into them

they weren’t protests either, they were just total lawlessness.

Bro it seems like you're falling for parts of the republican propaganda campaign. Don't you question the fact you're restating the assertions of liars like Guliani, Trump, and Marco Rubio?

i was explaining or thinking about the mechanics of how these things operated.

I understand the concept of an intention to crumble the US but there's way larger means to achieve those ends, like a 2nd lockdown to crush the economy or a FF to "force" Dump's hand against Iran.

Yeah this is just a piece of the picture.

I was into the whole "color revolution" talk some weeks ago but that narrative is falling apart. The more scenes of protests I watch, they're led by African Americans at the front of the line... not foreign agents or even suburban anti-fascists. I know the Denver protests were pretty small and led by local civil rights activists.

Color revolutions are nothing different. The revolutions in Egypt, Ukraine, Belarus, the Arab spring, Iran in the 70s etc, were all done by local people, being led by the CIAs hand. This is no different. They even use the same symbol ffs. The cia has done it for decades in countless counties. if they’re able to do it in Africa and Asia you better believe they can do it a lot easier in their own back yard.

 

[justjess]

I would love to hear how they arrived at that number. Because it’s always thrown out without evidence, I’m going to guess it’s taking liberties with the facts aka a lie. Reporters called them peaceful while standing in front of cities on fire.

what is ignored is that those riots were not organic. They were created by the media, showing some drug addict overdosing and running stories that he was murdered. I doubt theyve even publically amended the facts yet. This came the week after they started running stories on Arbury, a case which happened 4 months prior. They were searching for this result, riots. when the riots occurred, they covered for them. They called them peaceful, ran stories about non existent white supremacists, refused to call them riots until months into them

they weren’t protests either, they were just total lawlessness.

i was explaining or thinking about the mechanics of how these things operated.

Yeah this is just a piece of the picture.

Color revolutions are nothing different. The revolutions in Egypt, Ukraine, Belarus, the Arab spring, Iran in the 70s etc, were all done by local people, being led by the CIAs hand. This is no different. They even use the same symbol ffs. The cia has done it for decades in countless counties. if they’re able to do it in Africa and Asia you better believe they can do it a lot easier in their own back yard.

Oh come on... they protested numerous times in Scranton and Carbondale and all over northeastern PA. They were 100% peaceful. They also didn’t make any papers or news programs on television. What did? Philly and Pittsburgh. Philly at the least there are indications the first violent acts came from the police force towards the protesters who up to that point had been peaceful.

yes, every protest you have seen on tv has been violent to some extent, many full on riots. Do you think your tv is honest all of a sudden? Why now but not any other time? And if they can show scenes of violence while saying peaceful out their mouth and engage in one OBVIOUS deception then what’s stopping them in committing a more subversive deception? And why would you give them even that much credit?

If every tv station And news outlet on both the right and the left is regurgitating some version of the same story ad nauseum that should be your first clue that what is really going on is something neither side wants you to actually realize/see/know/understand.

 

[vancityeagle]

As soon as the left drops the antiwhite nonsense.

Don't think they realize how damaging that all really is

And its wrong and evil.

And for the american jews who don't think they are white, look no further than what evil nick Kanyon recently said.

what anti-white nonsense ?

 

[lightseeker]

Oh come on... they protested numerous times in Scranton and Carbondale and all over northeastern PA. They were 100% peaceful. They also didn’t make any papers or news programs on television. What did? Philly and Pittsburgh. Philly at the least there are indications the first violent acts came from the police force towards the protesters who up to that point had been peaceful

Yeah, towns of 30,000 people I'm sure the protests were just people holding a sign for what they thought was police injustice, which was actually just a methhead dying from having 10x the lethal dose of fentynol in his system. Regardless there was minimum 700 riots in American cities

yes, every protest you have seen on tv has been violent to some extent, many full on riots. Do you think your tv is honest all of a sudden? Why now but not any other time? And if they can show scenes of violence while saying peaceful out their mouth and engage in one OBVIOUS deception then what’s stopping them in committing a more subversive deception? And why would you give them even that much credit?

I don't watch mainstream news coverage, I mainly watched livestreams of the riots from people that were there. Yes the mainstream news lied, they lied by trying to cover up for the rioters, and making the police out to be evil. Remember when the police "arrested" a journalist? oh em gee like solviet russia. Nevermind the fact that the journalists totally staged it and set it up. The mainstream media served the goals and purposes of 1.extenuating and egging on the riots 2.covering for their violence so that they could continue for months.

If every tv station And news outlet on both the right and the left is regurgitating some version of the same story ad nauseum that should be your first clue that what is really going on is something neither side wants you to actually realize/see/know/understand.

Yes definitely true. What do you believe it is that they don't want you to understand? I've been saying all along that its a CIA organized revolution to destabilize America, galvanize power, and assist the shift towards the New world order. I havent seen any news covering that reality.

 

[vancityeagle]

here is the study that determined 93% of protests are peaceful.

but the shills can just ignore this and push their narrative.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/05/nearly-all-black-lives-matter-protests-are-peaceful-despite-trump-narrative-report-finds

The vast majority of the thousands of Black Lives Matter protests this summer have been peaceful, with more than 93% involving no serious harm to people or damage to property, according to a new report tracking political violence in the United States.

The new data on protests and the US government’s response comes from the Armed Conflict Location and Event Data project (Acled), an organization that has long tracked political violence and unrest in regions around the world, together with Princeton University’s Bridging Divides Initiative.

Data assembled by Acled has been viewed as a reliable source of information on the death toll in Yemen, civilians killed by governments in Africa and political violence against women, among other conflicts. The organization launched a new “US crisis monitor” project this year, concerned that the US is “at heightened risk of political violence and instability going into the 2020 general election”.

The results of the study present a stark contrast to claims made by the Trump administration, and widely circulated by Fox News and other rightwing media outlets, that the US is being overrun by violent leftwing protesters and “domestic terrorists”.

“There have been some violent demonstrations, and those tend to get a lot of media coverage,” Dr Roudabeh Kishi, Acled’s director of research & innovation, told the Guardian. “But if you were to look at all the demonstrations happening, it’s overwhelmingly peaceful.”

Between late May and the end of the August, Acled and Princeton researchers documented 7,750 demonstrations associated with the Black Lives Matter movement in more than 2,000 different locations across the United States, as well as more than 1,000 protests related to Covid-19.

While the overwhelming majority of all the different kinds of protests tracked over this time were peaceful, the report did find a troubling trend of violence from both government forces and non-state actors.

Government authorities were more likely to intervene in Black Lives Matter protests than in other demonstrations, and also more likely to intervene with force, like using teargas, rubber bullets and pepper spray or beating demonstrators with batons, the researchers found.

They documented 392 incidents this summer in which government authorities used force on Black Lives Matter demonstrators.

Journalists covering Black Lives Matter protests were also met with violence from government forces in at least 100 separate incidents across dozens of states this summer. One journalist was blinded after being hit in the eye with a rubber bullet while covering protests over George Floyd’s killing in Minneapolis.

Violent intervention from government forces did not make protests more peaceful, the report concluded. In Portland specifically, the report found that intervention from federal authorities in the protest “only aggravated unrest”, with the number of “violent demonstrations” rising from 53% to nearly 62% of all events “after federal agents arrived on the scene”.

Armed individuals were documented at at least 50 protests this summer.

“Individual perpetrators – sometimes linked to hate groups like the KKK – have launched dozens of car-ramming attacks targeting demonstrations around the country,” the researchers wrote.

 

[lightseeker]

And here's that same data presented in a more realistic way, the way that everyone could see with their own eyes



Study: Up To 95 Percent Of 2020 U.S. Riots Are Linked To Black Lives Matter
A report accompanying the data project, however, reads like an upscale attempt to blame the police for criminals’ decision to steal, kill, and destroy.

By Joy Pullmann
SEPTEMBER 16, 2020
Contrary to corporate media narratives, up to 95 percent of this summer’s riots are linked to Black Lives Matter activism, according to data collected by the Armed Conflict Location and Event Data Project (ACLED). The data also show that nearly 6 percent — or more than 1 in 20 — of U.S. protests between May 26 and Sept. 5 involved rioting, looting, and similar violence, including 47 fatalities.
ACLED is a nonprofit organization that tracks conflict across the globe. Its U.S. project that collected the summer protest data is supported by Princeton University. The project’s spreadsheet collating tens of thousands of data points documents 12,045 incidents of U.S. civil unrest from May 26, 2020 to Sept. 5, 2020. May 26 is the day after George Floyd’s death in police custody with enough fentanyl in his system to have died of an overdose if police had never touched him.

Of the 633 incidents coded as riots, 88 percent are recorded as involving Black Lives Matter activists. Data for 51 incidents lack information about the perpetrators’ identities. BLM activists were involved in 95 percent of the riots for which there is information about the perpetrators’ affiliation.
Early estimates from insurance agencies say the cost of this summer’s rioting will set a record surpassing that of the 1992 Rodney King riots, which cost an inflation-adjusted $1.2 billion. Much of that will be paid by taxpayers in the form of overtime and hazard pay for police and EMTs, emergency room visits, destruction of public property, and more. Of course, rioters are inflicting these costs during a time governments, and the people who fund them, have fewer resources due to coronavirus shutdowns and pent-up entitlement obligations.
A look at an interactive map illustrating the data shows just how widespread the summer BLM-linked rioting has been. It has not been limited merely to anarchist strongholds such as Portland, Oregon, or locales that saw media-spotlighted violent interactions between police and suspects, but has stretched across both major and minor U.S. cities and included dozens of locales with no violent police incidents this summer.

Continued in article...........https://thefederalist.com/2020/09/16/study-up-to-95-percent-of-2020-u-s-riots-are-linked-to-black-lives-matter/


47 dead and a $1.2 Billion bill for the tax payer in the "most peaceful" 633 riots ever seen.

 

[vancityeagle]

Your link just confirms that 93% of BLM protests are peaceful.

You can't spin the truth.

All you are doing is focusing on the 7% negative which isn't even entirely attributed to BLM by the way. The police also take part of the blame.

You are ignoring 93% to focus on 7%.

That is called spin.

 

[justjess]

And here's that same data presented in a more realistic way, the way that everyone could see with their own eyes



Study: Up To 95 Percent Of 2020 U.S. Riots Are Linked To Black Lives Matter
A report accompanying the data project, however, reads like an upscale attempt to blame the police for criminals’ decision to steal, kill, and destroy.

By Joy Pullmann
SEPTEMBER 16, 2020
Contrary to corporate media narratives, up to 95 percent of this summer’s riots are linked to Black Lives Matter activism, according to data collected by the Armed Conflict Location and Event Data Project (ACLED). The data also show that nearly 6 percent — or more than 1 in 20 — of U.S. protests between May 26 and Sept. 5 involved rioting, looting, and similar violence, including 47 fatalities.
ACLED is a nonprofit organization that tracks conflict across the globe. Its U.S. project that collected the summer protest data is supported by Princeton University. The project’s spreadsheet collating tens of thousands of data points documents 12,045 incidents of U.S. civil unrest from May 26, 2020 to Sept. 5, 2020. May 26 is the day after George Floyd’s death in police custody with enough fentanyl in his system to have died of an overdose if police had never touched him.

Of the 633 incidents coded as riots, 88 percent are recorded as involving Black Lives Matter activists. Data for 51 incidents lack information about the perpetrators’ identities. BLM activists were involved in 95 percent of the riots for which there is information about the perpetrators’ affiliation.
Early estimates from insurance agencies say the cost of this summer’s rioting will set a record surpassing that of the 1992 Rodney King riots, which cost an inflation-adjusted $1.2 billion. Much of that will be paid by taxpayers in the form of overtime and hazard pay for police and EMTs, emergency room visits, destruction of public property, and more. Of course, rioters are inflicting these costs during a time governments, and the people who fund them, have fewer resources due to coronavirus shutdowns and pent-up entitlement obligations.
A look at an interactive map illustrating the data shows just how widespread the summer BLM-linked rioting has been. It has not been limited merely to anarchist strongholds such as Portland, Oregon, or locales that saw media-spotlighted violent interactions between police and suspects, but has stretched across both major and minor U.S. cities and included dozens of locales with no violent police incidents this summer.

Continued in article...........https://thefederalist.com/2020/09/16/study-up-to-95-percent-of-2020-u-s-riots-are-linked-to-black-lives-matter/


47 dead and a $1.2 Billion bill for the tax payer in the "most peaceful" 633 riots ever seen.

I’m going to respond to your other post (directed at me) in a moment but I want to point something out... you aren’t saying anything different then what he is. Your saying it in a different way which is skewed to emphasize your perspective of the entire situation.

there were over 7,000 protests in this country after George Floyd - ostensibly for blm. 700 of those give or take turned into riots. You are giving the same numbers he is.

not all shapes are circles, but all circles are shapes. Feel me?