Facing the Reality of Climate Change

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how can you comment if you dont know the opposing argument?

'they' say raising cattle for beef uses vasts quantities of water and land/grass/space. the land energy/cost input required to raise a food crop is far, far more efficient than using the same land to raise a pound of beef. what 'they' dont understand is that livestock and cattle are an essential part of regenerating the topsoil when done in a natural, organic way (paddock rotation, grass fed animals, etc.). their argument does apply, but only for factory farms.

our long intestines are not designed for eating lots of meat where the digested foodstuff will go rancid and become caked up on the intestinal wall. this is debatable and we are going off topic again, but one doesnt necessarily need to specifically eat animal flesh for their source of protein-- cheese, butter, or raw milk will do fine.
There's not enough space for grassfed cattle, given the amount of meat people eat and the population. The thing you mentioned about the long intestines is also true, we also have various other features suggesting we are not obligate carnivores (our teeth, for example). I know people who are vegan and very healthy physically, so why shouldn't we cut out meat from our diet?

I'm not convinced by what you say about the oil industry creating artificial scarcity. I think they are like junkies, willing to get a fix at whatever cost to satisfy their temporary greed. Even if the cost be destruction of the planet's ecosystem. You're almost whitewashing them, suggesting that we should just carry on as we are, consuming oil and coal. This is exactly the attitude people had in the Cold War - "business as usual", and not a sane approach. I'm not suggesting that there aren't forces (corporations in particular) who are exploiting the environmental movement for their own ends. But the movement itself is not the problem, it is a response to a genuine crisis which needs to be resolved, and not in the way 'they' want to resolve it.
 






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There's not enough space for grassfed cattle, given the amount of meat people eat and the population.
strongly disagree. we have plenty of space which can be managed properly through permaculture. cows give birth every 9 months and start calving after 3 years (average- sometimes less depending on the breed).

I know people who are vegan and very healthy physically, so why shouldn't we cut out meat from our diet?
vegans are healthy only in the short term. their bodies will start breaking down at some point. we require animal protein and fats.


You're almost whitewashing them, suggesting that we should just carry on as we are, consuming oil and coal.
there are drawbacks to electrical/solar powered devices when you discover that the batteries are piling up in the landfills and we are destroying the planet in search of lithium.
theres nothing wrong with clean burning coal.
oh, im not a fan of oil-- id like to see engines enter the marketplace that run on water. dont get me wrong-- humans ARE polluting the planet to some extent, but we have nothing to do with the climate change. we have also cleaned up quite a bit of our mess, but youll rarely hear about that since it doesnt fit in with the climate alarmists agenda.
 






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strongly disagree. we have plenty of space which can be managed properly through permaculture. cows give birth every 9 months and start calving after 3 years (average- sometimes less depending on the breed).


vegans are healthy only in the short term. their bodies will start breaking down at some point. we require animal protein and fats.



there are drawbacks to electrical/solar powered devices when you discover that the batteries are piling up in the landfills and we are destroying the planet in search of lithium.
theres nothing wrong with clean burning coal.
oh, im not a fan of oil-- id like to see engines enter the marketplace that run on water. dont get me wrong-- humans ARE polluting the planet to some extent, but we have nothing to do with the climate change. we have also cleaned up quite a bit of our mess, but youll rarely hear about that since it doesnt fit in with the climate alarmists agenda.
The earth is a host, more than likely kills off living viruses aka humans.
I’d say if we’re consuming more than earths resources can provide then we see stuff like natural disasters etc happen to bring balance in a sense
 






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strongly disagree. we have plenty of space which can be managed properly through permaculture. cows give birth every 9 months and start calving after 3 years (average- sometimes less depending on the breed).


vegans are healthy only in the short term. their bodies will start breaking down at some point. we require animal protein and fats.



there are drawbacks to electrical/solar powered devices when you discover that the batteries are piling up in the landfills and we are destroying the planet in search of lithium.
theres nothing wrong with clean burning coal.
oh, im not a fan of oil-- id like to see engines enter the marketplace that run on water. dont get me wrong-- humans ARE polluting the planet to some extent, but we have nothing to do with the climate change. we have also cleaned up quite a bit of our mess, but youll rarely hear about that since it doesnt fit in with the climate alarmists agenda.
In relation to the thing about grassfed cattle, there's a prominent meat-eating environmentalist named Lierre Keith who advocates returning to grassfed cattle agriculture. She also thinks that the earth can only support 600 million people, which so far as I understand is what many people think is the agenda of the NWO.

As for this thing about pollution being insignificant, I think its a rationalization. I would also like to ask, what do you think about deforestation and loss of biodiversity? Do you deny this as well, or simply consider it not important enough to be worthy of consideration? The Amazon is being cut down basically for space for soy to feed cattle.

The way I see it, we destroy the lungs of the world and spit out toxic chemicals, there's going to be a reaction. I think it's a little like @Maes17 says, when there is a bacteria in the body, the body heats up to destroy it. Of course we are not like bacteria in the sense that we have the conscious choice and possibility of ceasing to be pathogenic, and instead becoming part of nature's immune system.
 






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In relation to the thing about grassfed cattle, there's a prominent meat-eating environmentalist named Lierre Keith who advocates returning to grassfed cattle agriculture. She also thinks that the earth can only support 600 million people, which so far as I understand is what many people think is the agenda of the NWO.
the georgia guidestones say 500 million, but its close enough.
i dont agree-- i think the earth can suppose far more than 600 million. again, we are mismanaging the land.

I would also like to ask, what do you think about deforestation and loss of biodiversity? Do you deny this as well, or simply consider it not important enough to be worthy of consideration? The Amazon is being cut down basically for space for soy to feed cattle.
of course i am against deforestation and loss of biodiversity. the cattle, given the option, will refuse soy (as will deer). they eat grass and tree leaves and fallen fruit. hemp and other sustainable food sources rich in protein would work just as well. where are the departments of agriculture in these countries promoting these alternative sources? cacti pads (opuntia) are espeically high in nutritional value and can be grown with little water.

all that needs to be done is to create laws to protect the rainforest and have them enforced (which is easier said than done). the governments are corrupt down there and are no doubt taking bribes, allowing the rain forest to be clear cut.
in any case, theres plenty of land elsewhere to raise cattle in the US midwest and in other places.
 






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Is overpopulation to blame for famines and other stuff?
Attenborough says it is, and interestingly says that if humans don't get their act together, "the natural world will do something", whatever that means.
Perhaps he's hinting mother earth will cook up a virus to thin out the human race?


 






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Is overpopulation to blame for famines and other stuff?
Attenborough says it is, and interestingly says that if humans don't get their act together, "the natural world will do something", whatever that means.
Perhaps he's hinting mother earth will cook up a virus to thin out the human race?


Again, more the same pedestrian crap and in a new thread - sigh. :rolleyes: Does it ever stop? BTW, it's a rhetorical question.

This quote explains it quite well:

“The world has enough for everyone’s need, but not enough for everyone’s greed.”
- Mahatma Gandhi

However, continue to worship the elites who you constantly quote while simultaneously posting bible quotes, which I'm sure is your next post...
 






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In relation to the thing about grassfed cattle, there's a prominent meat-eating environmentalist named Lierre Keith who advocates returning to grassfed cattle agriculture. She also thinks that the earth can only support 600 million people, which so far as I understand is what many people think is the agenda of the NWO.

As for this thing about pollution being insignificant, I think its a rationalization. I would also like to ask, what do you think about deforestation and loss of biodiversity? Do you deny this as well, or simply consider it not important enough to be worthy of consideration? The Amazon is being cut down basically for space for soy to feed cattle.

The way I see it, we destroy the lungs of the world and spit out toxic chemicals, there's going to be a reaction. I think it's a little like @Maes17 says, when there is a bacteria in the body, the body heats up to destroy it. Of course we are not like bacteria in the sense that we have the conscious choice and possibility of ceasing to be pathogenic, and instead becoming part of nature's immune system.
Actually if you put into perspective exactly how small we are in the solar system, then perhaps we really are just an evolved form of bacteria.

Who is to say the bacteria we study is probably capable of rational thought as well. There is so much unknown. From a logical perspective we consume, breed, repeat
 






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Again, more the same pedestrian crap and in a new thread - sigh. :rolleyes: Does it ever stop? BTW, it's a rhetorical question.

This quote explains it quite well:

“The world has enough for everyone’s need, but not enough for everyone’s greed.”
- Mahatma Gandhi

However, continue to worship the elites who you constantly quote while simultaneously posting bible quotes, which I'm sure is your next post...
He may be a bot.
 






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Actually if you put into perspective exactly how small we are in the solar system, then perhaps we really are just an evolved form of bacteria.
Who is to say the bacteria we study is probably capable of rational thought as well. There is so much unknown. From a logical perspective we consume, breed, repeat
with this line of thinking, you ought to support the depop agenda and the NWO.
 






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with this line of thinking, you ought to support the depop agenda and the NWO.
Or maybe I’m just thinking from my logical five senses approach rather than being a paranoid connect the dots, oh no the illuminati is behind it approach.

Honestly the conspiracy community needs a new boogey man. The nwo narrative is getting kinda whacky and lame.
 






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Or maybe I’m just thinking from my logical five senses approach rather than being a paranoid connect the dots, oh no the illuminati is behind it approach.

Honestly the conspiracy community needs a new boogey man. The nwo narrative is getting kinda whacky and lame.
That IS their narrative. If you consider it wacky and lame, blame them. This isn't something they conjured up on the fly. This has taken them years, decades and probably centuries to devise. It's only coming to light now because they're getting desperate in implementing their NWO before some "geological catastrophic event" occurs, from what the "spirits" they communicate with have told hem, according to Bill Ryan (DesertRose posted in the NWO thread).

However, I'm with him in that I don't think it'll work.
 






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That IS their narrative. If you consider it wacky and lame, blame them. This isn't something they conjured up on the fly. This has taken them years, decades and probably centuries to devise. It's only coming to light now because they're getting desperate in implementing their NWO before some "geological catastrophic event" occurs, from what the "spirits" they communicate with have told hem, according to Bill Ryan (DesertRose posted in the NWO thread).

However, I'm with him in that I don't think it'll work.
Nothing is going to happen. What we have going on now is conflicting information, conflicting beliefs, you agree with me and if you don’t we’re enemies type of society going on.

Those in power are just ego driven maniacs. Much like anything in life. Humans are capable of great things but also have stupid moments which backfires. No one is immune to it. We all make mistakes
 






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Nothing is going to happen. What we have going on now is conflicting information, conflicting beliefs, you agree with me and if you don’t we’re enemies type of society going on.

Those in power are just ego driven maniacs. Much like anything in life. Humans are capable of great things but also have stupid moments which backfires. No one is immune to it. We all make mistakes
I agree with you. However, I think it's best to understand what it is they're doing and/or attempting to implement and for what purposes. It was Daze who said in another thread that these people worship these so-called spirits (demons/jinn) and in return, they're given material gain... gifts, etc., which I think sums it up.

I suppose you can equate it to the phrase, “Keep your friends close and your enemies closer”.
 






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I agree with you. However, I think it's best to understand what it is they're doing and/or attempting to implement and for what purposes. It was Daze who said in another thread that these people worship these so-called spirits (demons/jinn) and in return, they're given material gain... gifts, etc., which I think sums it up.

I suppose you can equate it to the phrase, “Keep your friends close and your enemies closer”.
The thing with me Orwell, I’m not super religious or a believer in the paranormal so when I hear about someone messing up then they claim demon possession or similar it’s just a cop out and gasses the fire for those even further in these subjects. Then it branches off into other sectors of subjects
 






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This is just my opinion and I stand by my beliefs. Humams need a purpose or stimulation to function.

As a species we’re prone to boredom, feeling a need to be accepted. Cabin fever makes people bored to suicide.

So to play off that^^^
We speculate, connect the dots to try to make sense when in reality more often than not we make simple stuff too complex
 






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The thing with me Orwell, I’m not super religious or a believer in the paranormal so when I hear about someone messing up then they claim demon possession or similar it’s just a cop out and gasses the fire for those even further in these subjects. Then it branches off into other sectors of subjects
It doesn't matter if you're religious, Maes. The fact of the matter is THEY are. Not understanding this is how they'll win if people don't understand what they're fighting. Why do you think this is psychological warfare? It's akin to spiritual warfare.

What you personally believe (or not) and/or understand is moot, you need to understand what they believe and their actions that coincide with it.
 






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It doesn't matter if you're religious, Maes. The fact of the matter is THEY are. Not understanding this is how they'll win if people don't understand what they're fighting. Why do you think this is psychological warfare? It's akin to spiritual warfare.

What you personally believe (or not) and/or understand is moot, you need to understand what they believe and their actions that coincide with it.
They win cause people allow it to happen. People in power are advantageous. It’s nothing spiritual happening at all.

Their actions are nothing more than ego/control. Blame them, not the devil, not jesus or anything spritual.

However the main problem lies within us who cannot find solutions cause we all don’t see eye to eye in things.

Relations only improve with understanding and tolerance
 






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Again, more the same pedestrian crap and in a new thread - sigh. :rolleyes:
However, continue to worship the elites who you constantly quote while simultaneously posting bible quotes, which I'm sure is your next post...

If you don't know the answer to my question just say so mate.. :p
You want a bible quote? Here's a couple, see if you can spot pollution, the ozone hole and UV radiation in this one-
"And it shall come to pass, that instead of sweet smell there shall be stink; and instead of a girdle a rent; and instead of well set hair baldness; and instead of a stomacher a girding of sackcloth; and burning instead of beauty" (Isaiah 3:24)

And in this one, Duck!-
"The time has come..for destroying those who destroy the earth" (Revelation 11:18 )
 






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If you don't know the answer to my question just say so mate.. :p
You want a bible quote? Here's a couple, see if you can spot pollution, the ozone hole and UV radiation in this one-
"And it shall come to pass, that instead of sweet smell there shall be stink; and instead of a girdle a rent; and instead of well set hair baldness; and instead of a stomacher a girding of sackcloth; and burning instead of beauty" (Isaiah 3:24)

And in this one, Duck!-
"The time has come..for destroying those who destroy the earth" (Revelation 11:18 )
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