Gardasil Vaccine Destroying Children

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Some of the viral diseases were around 1000+ years ago and there were no vaccines back then. How did people get by and why can't we use what they used inorder not to succumb instead of getting shots?
Except they weren't? Where do you see polio, measles, ebola or aids etc existing 1000+ years ago. You know what else didnt exist ages ago? Many animal/plant species. There were however many other disease and people died. People used to die or normal fever or simple cold. You are acting like we havent increased lifespan due to modern medicine or that people didnt get sick back then.
Famous plagues didnt happen yesterday morning and wiped nations off of the earth.

Its such an ignorant statement that people back then could easily get through every illness. They couldn't and they died. Its almost as annoying as people saying "Jesus didn't get vaccines so i wouldn't either" like forget the divinity/prophethood etc etc. They legit expect a person who could heal any illness and revive the dead to need cure lol.

I am no longer replying to this thread, there is only so much disappointment i can have and only so much faith i can lose in humanity,
 

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Where do you see polio, measles, ebola or aids etc existing 1000+ years ago.
True, Ebola and AIDS are kinda new but they are also something else. Here’s the Ebola PATENT

https://patents.google.com/patent/CA2741523A1

a patent held by, you guessed it, the CDC. The same CDC (and some work at Fort Deitrick) responsible for creating AIDS. As of now, Ebola (^ that strain) is raging in the Congo and a vaccine is being touted. So, here you have a bioweapon foisted upon a certain group of people, with the intent to kill obviously, and at the same time, that same entity had a hand in creating the vaccine and is handing it out to supposedly inhibit their bioweapon. Does that make sense to you? That would be one sick, twisted game. What could that vaccine possibly contain, if not something to make their bioweapons even more effective?

I hope that someday, you will encounter a patient with Ebola and shoot them up with that vaccine, with a straight face.
 
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Such a sad reality. I can't embed the video but here's the link:

https://www.brighteon.com/5981814992001

Taken from naturalnews.com ...

On June 25th, 2007, we brought them in for the [vaccine] shot… we went in at 10 am. All three. My daughter still has the mark on her leg from the shot… we did the boys as well. By noon, Claire shut completely off. It was as if she was blind, and deaf, and complete failure to thrive, from super super happy, smiley girl to… she had full blown eye contact, and she shut right down. All she did was stare at the ceiling.
At 2:00 we watched Richie shut off. All his mama, dadda, and the furniture walking and everything just shut of. All the giggles, all the smiles, again failure to thrive. They lost all their reflexes… they stopped blinking, yawning, coughing, sneezing, they lost their startle reflex… that was 2:00.


The worst was when we saw the final one shut down. We lost Robbie, he looked like he was hit by a bus. He had a stunned look on his face… he acted deaf, he lost his happiness. They were no longer engaged in anything or anyone. They lost their smiles. They never held hands again, never looked at each other again. (Crying)

Vaccine injury is real. We were told is was genetic, then we were told there was no way three children were shut off on the same day… it was statistically impossible. We were told we could not sue anyone. No vaccine manufacturers could be sued. We found out [later] there was a vaccine injury court. They then told us we were too late, [we] only had three years to apply.
 

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Such a sad reality. I can't embed the video but here's the link:

https://www.brighteon.com/5981814992001

Taken from naturalnews.com ...

On June 25th, 2007, we brought them in for the [vaccine] shot… we went in at 10 am. All three. My daughter still has the mark on her leg from the shot… we did the boys as well. By noon, Claire shut completely off. It was as if she was blind, and deaf, and complete failure to thrive, from super super happy, smiley girl to… she had full blown eye contact, and she shut right down. All she did was stare at the ceiling.
At 2:00 we watched Richie shut off. All his mama, dadda, and the furniture walking and everything just shut of. All the giggles, all the smiles, again failure to thrive. They lost all their reflexes… they stopped blinking, yawning, coughing, sneezing, they lost their startle reflex… that was 2:00.


The worst was when we saw the final one shut down. We lost Robbie, he looked like he was hit by a bus. He had a stunned look on his face… he acted deaf, he lost his happiness. They were no longer engaged in anything or anyone. They lost their smiles. They never held hands again, never looked at each other again. (Crying)

Vaccine injury is real. We were told is was genetic, then we were told there was no way three children were shut off on the same day… it was statistically impossible. We were told we could not sue anyone. No vaccine manufacturers could be sued. We found out [later] there was a vaccine injury court. They then told us we were too late, [we] only had three years to apply.
Ed Opperman has exclusive, on the ground interviews and coverage from the Vegas flu-shot incident.
Vaccine segment starts at 1:24:35 and Opperman has other material regarding the situation available as well.
 
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this is all part of the agenda, and you can see the fruits of social manipulation and engineering of the agenda when the ostracization happens when people refuse to give their kids vaccines, the same is going to be said of people who refuse to get chips, you can see how this evolves into fema camps can't you. btw vaccines, the cdc, all founded on rockerfeller and big pharma, I feel sorry for anyone who trusts this.
 
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Thought I'd add this in this thread as someone may have mentioned this earlier in the Coronavirus one:

Flu Vaccine Increases Coronavirus Risk 36% Says Military Study
 
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Such a sad reality. I can't embed the video but here's the link:

https://www.brighteon.com/5981814992001

Taken from naturalnews.com ...

On June 25th, 2007, we brought them in for the [vaccine] shot… we went in at 10 am. All three. My daughter still has the mark on her leg from the shot… we did the boys as well. By noon, Claire shut completely off. It was as if she was blind, and deaf, and complete failure to thrive, from super super happy, smiley girl to… she had full blown eye contact, and she shut right down. All she did was stare at the ceiling.
At 2:00 we watched Richie shut off. All his mama, dadda, and the furniture walking and everything just shut of. All the giggles, all the smiles, again failure to thrive. They lost all their reflexes… they stopped blinking, yawning, coughing, sneezing, they lost their startle reflex… that was 2:00.

The worst was when we saw the final one shut down. We lost Robbie, he looked like he was hit by a bus. He had a stunned look on his face… he acted deaf, he lost his happiness. They were no longer engaged in anything or anyone. They lost their smiles. They never held hands again, never looked at each other again. (Crying)

Vaccine injury is real. We were told is was genetic, then we were told there was no way three children were shut off on the same day… it was statistically impossible. We were told we could not sue anyone. No vaccine manufacturers could be sued. We found out [later] there was a vaccine injury court. They then told us we were too late, [we] only had three years to apply.
Most of those posting in this thread are aware that vaccines cause illness and death. There's plenty of information out there in the form of medical studies, vaccination documentaries, military programs, personal experiences, and eye-witness accounts.

We were warned 2000 years ago (really even longer ago) that all pharmacy/drugs/potions/witch's brew, etc. are POISONS by our Creator, and that's exactly what they are. No one has ever been cured by any of these poisons that, at best, are designed to mask the symptoms - which are the body's way of telling us something is wrong.

Vaccination literally bypass ALL of the body's natural defense mechanisms, to place a toxic substance directly into the bloodstream, so the poison can then be circulated throughout the body. There simply couldn't be a more effective way to poison the body, or to introduce diseases into an otherwise healthy body.

No parent should ever have their child vaccinated before they have spent the time to do the research into the concoction they are about to have introduced into their child's body. Any parent who goes through this exercise, and does their due diligence, would never in their right-mind give their child something that has already injured or killed other children.

By the way, please take the time to do exactly the same study with vitamins and minerals. Just because they've been billed as healthy doesn't mean they too don't have poisons in them. They can and do.
 

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Thought I'd add this in this thread as someone may have mentioned this earlier in the Coronavirus one:

Flu Vaccine Increases Coronavirus Risk 36% Says Military Study
I think the sad (funny) part about this article is that it links to the study its talking about and that study debunks the article.
 

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Thought I'd add this in this thread as someone may have mentioned this earlier in the Coronavirus one:

Flu Vaccine Increases Coronavirus Risk 36% Says Military Study
Thanks for posting this. Interesting end-note:

UPDATE 3/19/2020: According to the chief medical officer for England, cited by news media publisher Mirror, Britons who received the influenza vaccine for this flu season were cautioned to self-isolate for 12 weeks as they fall into the government’s “high risk” category.

Why would those who received the flu vaccine be considered "high risk" if the coronavirus (COVID-19) wasn't in the flu vaccine?
 
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Thanks for posting this. Interesting end-note:

UPDATE 3/19/2020: According to the chief medical officer for England, cited by news media publisher Mirror, Britons who received the influenza vaccine for this flu season were cautioned to self-isolate for 12 weeks as they fall into the government’s “high risk” category.

Why would those who received the flu vaccine be considered "high risk" if the coronavirus (COVID-19) wasn't in the flu vaccine?
Excellent question! It makes one wonder what is in the flu shot. Especially, if they're administering them for free.

I like Claire's take on the flu shot as this is how I also remember the flu: https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/gardasil-vaccine-destroying-children.191/post-89859
 
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Excellent question! It makes one wonder what is in the flu shot. Especially, if they're administering them for free.

I like Claire's take on the flu shot as this is how I also remember the flu: https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/gardasil-vaccine-destroying-children.191/post-89859
Perhaps High Risk because once a person get the flu shot they are essentially carriers of the disease. From the CDC:

Safety of Live Attenuated Influenza Vaccine (LAIV)

Shedding, Transmission, and Phenotypic Stability of LAIV Viruses
Shedding of the live attenuated vaccine virus is common after receipt of LAIV. In general, shedding is more common among younger recipients, among whom it may also be of longer duration. Among 345 LAIV3 recipients aged 5–49 years for whom shedding was assessed by viral culture of nasal swabs, 29% had detectable virus in nasal secretions. Prevalence of shedding was inversely related to age, and maximal shedding occurred within 2 days of vaccination. The symptoms most frequently reported after vaccination (runny nose, headache, and sore throat) did not correlate with the presence of shedding (522). In a study of 200 children aged 6 through 59 months, shedding of at least one vaccine virus was detected in 79% of children overall, and was more common among younger children (89% of 6- through 23-month-olds as compared with 69% of 24- through 59-month-olds) (523). Shedding had stopped in most cases by 11 days post vaccination. Vaccine virus was detected from nasal secretions in one (2%) of 57 HIV-infected adults who received LAIV3 compared with none of 54 HIV-negative participants (524), and in three (13%) of 24 HIV-infected children compared with seven (28%) of 25 children who were not HIV-infected (525).
Transmission of shed LAIV vaccine viruses from vaccine recipients to unvaccinated persons has been documented, but has not been reported to be associated with serious illness. One study of 197 children aged 9–36 months (98 of whom received LAIV3 and 99 of whom received placebo) in a child care center assessed the potential for transmission of LAIV3 vaccine viruses. Among vaccine recipients, 80% shed one or more vaccine virus (mean duration: 7.6 days). One influenza B vaccine virus strain isolate was recovered from a placebo recipient, and was confirmed to be vaccine-type virus. This transmitted virus isolate retained the cold-adapted, temperature-sensitive, attenuated characteristics. The placebo recipient from whom the influenza B vaccine virus strain was isolated had symptoms of a mild upper respiratory illness. The estimated probability of transmission of vaccine virus within a contact group with a single LAIV recipient in this population was 0.58% (95%CI = 0, 1.7) (526).
 

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Excellent question! It makes one wonder what is in the flu shot. Especially, if they're administering them for free.

I like Claire's take on the flu shot as this is how I also remember the flu: https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/gardasil-vaccine-destroying-children.191/post-89859
Likewise.

20 years ago or so, after refusing to take the shot year after year (even though it was offered for free through the workplace, and they even had a mobile unit come to deliver it) I was guilt-tripped by colleagues into taking it to keep from having to take time off work to nurse the flu. And that year I (this body that is) got the flu, after not having had it in previous years. Coincidence?

A vaccination bypasses every major defense mechanism the body naturally has to keep itself healthy and strong against toxins. We can all wonder what's in any given vaccine, but that information isn't readily available (and is actually protected by unlawful legislation under the guise of trade secrets), which is why NONE of the people who administer the vaccines know what are in them.

Fast-forward to a couple of years ago, and after an adult lifetime of not taking any vitamins, it was decided it might be good to take vitamin D. Did it for two months, at the recommended daily dosage, and literally poisoned the body so badly it took over 6 months to recover roughly 3/4 strength and use of it. It was only then (after taking it for two months) that Vitamin D toxicity was researched, to see that others had similar experiences.

How is it possible to be absolutely sure it was the Vitamin D? Because it literally was the only thing that had been changed.

That's why the bit about not being able to trust vitamins either was posted. There are no magic pills or drugs or vaccines, nor should any of these things be trusted, as they have a proven track record of injuring and murdering people.
 

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Thank-you for your reply. Please see more below.


Glad you found them fascinating. Hopefully they will spur you to continue investigating this subject matter thoroughly.


The videos really weren't meant to be complete solutions by themselves; they're both really only introductions to the subject requiring the viewer to do some additional research on their own. Please see the links below which hopefully will address your questions, including an alternate route of treatment.

http://maronewellness.com/pasteur-vs-bechamp-an-alternative-view-of-infectious-disease/

http://www.laleva.org/eng/2004/05/louis_pasteur_vs_antoine_bchamp_and_the_germ_theory_of_disease_causation_1.html

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/fcjwrg

While each link contains some overlapping material, each does offer some additional information.

The treatment solutions are relatively simple once one removes the baseless virology hypothesis from the equation. It's really a matter of returning the body to a healthy state, free from the toxins which we are literally drowning in these days (e.g. the chemical fertilizers, pesticides, fungicides, herbicides, insecticides, chemical cleaners, food additives (including neurotoxins like aspertame, sucralose and MSG), GMOs, fluoride, lithium (and hundreds of other chemicals found in the public water supplies), air pollution in the form of smog and heavy-metal particulate, including the aluminum, barium and radioactive strontium rained down on us from the geoengineering above, the microwave radiation from wifi routers, “smart” appliances, 4G and 5G, and countless other chemical and radioactive toxins which we're constantly subjected to in this day and age.

Of course that's before considering how nutrient depleted our soil is from industrial farming and the chemical and biological assault it's been forced to endure for over a century.

It's really a wonder all of these human bodies aren't already sick or debilitated by now under this comprehensive assault. It's also amazing that we live in this obviously toxic environment, and almost everyone completely ignores this as the root cause of the problem, in favor of believing in magic pills and potions (made of more toxic chemicals), to cure viruses that no one has honestly ever seen nor understand.


By itself? No. But that wasn't what Dr. Banks was advocating anyway. Clean water in combination with clean air and a balanced, nutritional diet free from chemical poisons and radiation, and educating everyone on these things, is what's needed to return these bodies to health.

And that educational process really BEGINS (Matt. 6:33) with the truth about our true, spiritual selves (John 3:3-7, Rom. 8:5-8). A healthy spirit-Being automatically maintains a healthy body around it, as well as a healthy environment. Something we could all work together to produce and maintain, with our Creator's Help.


That really wasn't what was being suggested though, in either of the videos. We MUST get rid of ALL the toxins we are literally drowning in every day, and return to working WITH Nature and our Creator instead of against them.

The Perfect Healthy Diet


Vaccines are, in fact, poisons that are based the myth commonly referred to as virology, which falls apart under minimal scrutiny, as both speakers have illustrated with their work.

As difficult as it may be for people to hear, the only function and present use of vaccinations is to further poison people for profit and/or to eliminate the “useless eaters”. The history of smallpox, polio, MMR, HPV (Gardasil) and the flu vaccines should make that crystal clear.

Hopefully you find the linked articles instructive in that regard.

Logically, we need to get rid of all of these toxic vaccinations immediately, before anyone else is injured, maimed are murdered by them. It matters not whether these vaccines were made intentionally to poison people for profit or whether the injuries and deaths they've caused was due to ignorance (or a combination of both). All that matters is that we stop the insanity.

How could someone rationally agree to inject their children's bodies with a concoction they know absolutely nothing about? You do realize don't you please that vaccinations contain MRC-5 (aborted fetal cells and other DNA) and always pose the threat of a “latrogenic reaction” (i.e. an adverse reaction caused by multiple compounds or drugs interacting with each other) even IF someone assumed they aren't poisonous in multiple other ways (e.g. laced with mercury/thimerosol)?



How could anyone reasonably come to your conclusions based on a couple of videos?

There is overwhelming evidence that leaves no doubt that virology and vaccinations are nothing more than a deception, including:

1) Vaccines are predicated upon accepting virology, which has NEVER been proven to be true. There are no accurate, reproduceable/repeatable photos of any virus, nor has anyone ever observed a virus replicating in its natural environment, nor has anyone ever observed a virus attacking a healthy cell.

2) Vaccines contain known poisons.

3) Vaccines cause injury and death. This cannot be overemphasized enough. There are MILLIONS upon MILLIONS who have been injured, crippled or murdered. People should take the time to thoroughly research this history.

Please read: The Poisoned Needle at: http://whale.to/a/mcbean.html


And both have advocated advancing our understanding by admitting what are commonly called “viruses” are nothing more than packaged strands of DNA/RNA that are extruded from a cell as part of the body's natural defense mechanisms, NOT some outside invader that attacks healthy cells as the pharmaceutical industry has conned everyone into believing so they can continue selling their poisons.

Dr. Lanka won his court case in the German SC because the trillion dollar pharmaceutical industry FAILED to produce any credible evidence that the measles virus actually exists.


In part to avoid the “anti-vaxxer” label, which is currently a death sentence (physically or metaphorically) for practicing physicians (e.g. Dr. Andrew Wakefield, who helped expose the link between autism and the MMR vaccine).

They both take this measured, indirect approach realizing that the supposed need for vaccinations is predicated upon virology. Without what the pharmaceutical industry refers to as “viruses” (foreign invaders that allegedly penetrate the body's natural defenses and allegedly attack healthy cells), there is no need for vaccines to fight any of these phantom “viruses”.


Both speakers have directly questioned whether “viruses” exist (as defined by the pharmaceutical industry), so how could something that doesn't exist mutate or multiply?


Yes there is: giving vaccines is consistently poisoning people for profit.


In plain English: We've made up a name for something we don't understand (virology) so we can continue poisoning ourselves for profit, while pretending to be looking for a new, more lucrative solution.


The process vaccines stop is the healing process. Logically, one cannot cure someone who has been poisoned by giving them even more poisons.


Unless of course someone is actually paying attention to what they've said.

The “new solution” they are both indirectly advocating (so they can wisely keep their licenses and positions) is to stop lying to people and poisoning them in ANY manner, which needs no “evolution”. Read between the lines. If viruses do not exist, then there need to vaccinate against a nonexistent virus.

We have at least 150 years worth of data and billions of documented casualties. Vaccines bypass all of the body's natural defenses by being injected directly into the bloodstream.

Please read: The Poisoned Needle at: http://whale.to/a/mcbean.html

Please read: https://www.healthscamsexposed.com/2018/07/the-hpv-vaccine-is-sterilizing-american-girls/

Please also conduct searches for other vaccines, e.g. for tetanus, diphtheria, hepatitis, polio, MMR, rotavirus, etc. Look at every vaccine there is if your goal is to be thorough.


We don't need to create new words or new language/legalese to make people feel warm and fuzzy about big pharma continuing to profit from human suffering. Nor do we need to pretend that vaccines are helping people when they are, in fact, injuring and murdering men, women and children.

Truthfully stating that vaccines are Injuring and murdering people sounds like a broken record because it keeps repeating itself over and over but very few take any notice, until it affects them or someone they love personally. One has to marvel at the irrational thought process that allows someone to overlook the crimes of premeditated assault and murder, to chastise the messenger for repeatedly exposing those crimes.

We need to learn is to say what we mean and mean what we say. Let our “yes” mean “yes” and our “no” mean “no”. Call a poison a poison, instead of finding some way to sugarcoat it so it can be repackaged and relabeled as a medicine that is “good” for the body.

If chemical and pharmaceutical drugs (and radiation “therapy”) actually worked as is falely claimed, logically there would be less sick people every year, whereas the opposite is the reality. This conclusively proves the system is making more people sick and the sick ever sicker, with their poisonous potions and the side-effects they cause.
So I read through this entirely and the accompanying reference and moved this discussion here. This one in particular made sense of what you are saying about Pasteur. http://maronewellness.com/pasteur-vs-bechamp-an-alternative-view-of-infectious-disease/

So what you seem to be saying is that you support preventative medicine rather than treating acute symptoms. I don't disagree with this and I don't disagree with much of what is being said in this article. The subject of reversing the damage is something that I am presently investigating. I have actually done some research on almost all alternative treatment methods. You should see my medicine cabinet.

The most recent remedy that is alternative at the moment, but might not always be, is inhaled hydrogen or hydrogen water. There is already a ton of research suggesting that it is capable of reversing the damage done to the body rather than merely looking at being capable of eliminating the infection. So I found this article interesting in how it relates to what I have been reading about this treatment.

However, the problem is two-fold. You have doctors who are taught to treat acute conditions rather than make effort in helping prevent them, and you have the patients who neglect themselves to the point where they develop acute symptoms and need this type of care.

This is another reason that you won't get rid of vaccines by making a case that they are bad for you. I am actually aware of the ingredients in vaccines and how this is obviously not good for you. There was a long while back now that I even found research that would suggest that vaccines could be suspended in a hydrogen peroxide solution, which would obviously be cleaner because the body produces hydrogen peroxide anyway.

To prevent acute conditions almost requires treating conditions as though they are acute as a preventative measure, which brings the reality of vaccines. The article about the subject of viruses was interesting. However, it is reasonable to assume that a virus could be transferred from a cell that is still living externally the same way a person can get a blood transfusion. Just because it is not your viral infected cell, doesn't mean it won't be compatible in your body.

The concept of whether or not a virus attacks other cells in the body is also not a winning argument since the problem is that a cell infected with a virus can replicate itself without bothering other cells. Then, it is more of a numbers game is what I was always taught. I never thought viruses attacked other cells. From what I remember, viruses replicate and if their number exceeds the immune response to the presence of these infected cells, this imbalance makes the person progressively get sicker.

Therefore, a vaccine basically wins the battle in advance, and you are injecting a winning battle. So the body never experiences an imbalance when it becomes exposed to an infected cell like this. So the argument was not only simplistic when you consider the fact that infectious processes are only a small fraction of acute symptoms that people develop that are treated in allopathic medicine. There were also some claims that I don't remember learning. There was also no real solutions that were suggested to counter the use of vaccines, but as I said in this thread when the forum first opened. I think the use of vaccines is starting to reach a point where they will become an excessive number of them. As a result, it is important to find other methods of treatment. However, that is not the same thing as saying they don't work.

I do see what you are saying about living in a toxic environment. In some ways, it is the other side of the coin to the historical account of living in an unsanitary environment. However, that is not the same thing as saying that living without toxins or unsanitary conditions is a sort of panacea. For a significant number of conditions, it won't be. For the subject of vaccines, you would have to look at taking each one individually and seeing how they respond to changes in the environment. It is nice in theory to say there would be no need for them if you removed toxins and unsanitary conditions, but no one actually knows whether that would happen in reality because there has never been the opportunity to test it.

There is nothing wrong with understanding someone's resistance to an experiment like this when you consider that most vaccines concern childhood illness. It is a tough place for parents to be right now where people are interested in selling their ideas about vaccines rather than empathizing with the way they are concluding the inherent priority of protecting their children.
 

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So I read through this entirely and the accompanying reference and moved this discussion here. This one in particular made sense of what you are saying about Pasteur. http://maronewellness.com/pasteur-vs-bechamp-an-alternative-view-of-infectious-disease/

So what you seem to be saying is that you support preventative medicine rather than treating acute symptoms. I don't disagree with this and I don't disagree with much of what is being said in this article. The subject of reversing the damage is something that I am presently investigating. I have actually done some research on almost all alternative treatment methods. You should see my medicine cabinet.

The most recent remedy that is alternative at the moment, but might not always be, is inhaled hydrogen or hydrogen water. There is already a ton of research suggesting that it is capable of reversing the damage done to the body rather than merely looking at being capable of eliminating the infection. So I found this article interesting in how it relates to what I have been reading about this treatment.

However, the problem is two-fold. You have doctors who are taught to treat acute conditions rather than make effort in helping prevent them, and you have the patients who neglect themselves to the point where they develop acute symptoms and need this type of care.
All of the doctors are wrong. And all of the patients who have neglected themselves will not be helped by doctors who treat symptoms rather than the root cause of the problem.

What would you hope to be accomplished by treating symptoms please? The simplest example that can be thought of regarding this extremely short-sided approach is the use of tylenol (acetaminophen) to bring someone's temperature down. Parents even use this on their children to bring their temperatures down, based on their doctor's recommendation.

Tylenol, like ALL pharmaceutical drugs, is a poison. There are plenty of studies out there on the toxic effects tylenol has on the liver. Why would someone intentionally damage their body's liver (or the liver of their child's body) to bring down their temperature (a symptom)? The body is running a fever for a good reason, to rid itself of another toxin, or the bacteria it created to deal with the toxin.

Do you see how thoughtless and dangerous that really is? And yet this goes on all of the time, because very few bother to read anything before popping a pill, or putting one into their own child's mouth.

This is another reason that you won't get rid of vaccines by making a case that they are bad for you. I am actually aware of the ingredients in vaccines and how this is obviously not good for you. There was a long while back now that I even found research that would suggest that vaccines could be suspended in a hydrogen peroxide solution, which would obviously be cleaner because the body produces hydrogen peroxide anyway.
If you actually were aware of how bad vaccines really are, and how many billions have been adversely affected by them, you wouldn't be advocating the use of them. You may not feel that's what you're doing, but it is. That's why you keep looking for some way to get them back into the conversation, or to look for some new way to deliver those poisons to their unwitting (?) victims.

Suspending a poison in hydrogen peroxide doesn't make any sense at all, because it's still a poison, even if slightly diluted. Do you really not see how illogical that idea really is please?

To prevent acute conditions almost requires treating conditions as though they are acute as a preventative measure, which brings the reality of vaccines.
How can introducing potentially lethal poisons to address ANY condition purportedly improve it? You're being utterly ridicuous!

The article about the subject of viruses was interesting. However, it is reasonable to assume that a virus could be transferred from a cell that is still living externally the same way a person can get a blood transfusion. Just because it is not your viral infected cell, doesn't mean it won't be compatible in your body.
That isn't any more reasonable than your two previous statements, both of which are completely and totally illogical. You're assuming that every single virus isn't specifically coded to the cell it came from, for a specific job it's designed to do, despite evidence to the contrary.

The concept of whether or not a virus attacks other cells in the body is also not a winning argument since the problem is that a cell infected with a virus can replicate itself without bothering other cells. Then, it is more of a numbers game is what I was always taught. I never thought viruses attacked other cells. From what I remember, viruses replicate and if their number exceeds the immune response to the presence of these infected cells, this imbalance makes the person progressively get sicker.
If germ theory (which defines a virus as a foreign invader and is what vaccines are predicated upon) is correct, there would be no one alive to advocate it, as every healthy living cell on earth would long ago have been invaded and killed by all of these so-called viruses.

So what you've said again makes no sense, and proves you really don't understand how dangerous vaccines really are, and think that this is an argument that someone can "win". This is NOT an argument; it is a fact that the germ theory is IMPOSSIBLE, which means that all vaccines are predicated upon a FANTASY (the opposite of reality).

Therefore, a vaccine basically wins the battle in advance, and you are injecting a winning battle.
??? Again how could injecting someone with known poisons win any battle of any kind? You are making absolutely no sense whatsoever.

So the body never experiences an imbalance when it becomes exposed to an infected cell like this. So the argument was not only simplistic when you consider the fact that infectious processes are only a small fraction of acute symptoms that people develop that are treated in allopathic medicine. There were also some claims that I don't remember learning. There was also no real solutions that were suggested to counter the use of vaccines, but as I said in this thread when the forum first opened. I think the use of vaccines is starting to reach a point where they will become an excessive number of them. As a result, it is important to find other methods of treatment. However, that is not the same thing as saying they don't work.
Again, if germ theory was correct, there would be no life on earth, as every healthy cell would have fallen under attack from these mystery foreign invaders being referred to as viruses, even though no one has ever been able to logically explain how something that isn't alive, and has no means of locomotion, could somehow find its way past all of the body's natural defenses to even get next to a healthy cell, much less find a way to get inside of it.

It's an intellectually bankrupt argument, and yet it is the basis for the alleged need for vaccines. Without germ theory there is no need for vaccines. And nobody needs to poison themselves for any reason, so any argument for vaccines is, IN REALITY, completely untenable. And yet here you are pretending to understand how dangerous vaccines are, while at the same time advocating their use.

You do understand what cognitive dissonance is, don't you?

I do see what you are saying about living in a toxic environment. In some ways, it is the other side of the coin to the historical account of living in an unsanitary environment.
An unsanitary environment is a toxic environment, is it not?

However, that is not the same thing as saying that living without toxins or unsanitary conditions is a sort of panacea. For a significant number of conditions, it won't be.
So let's see if it's possible to understand where you coming from here...

You're saying that injecting poisons directly into our body's bloodstream is a necessary and good thing, but living in sanitary conditions without all of these toxins is a bad thing?

For the subject of vaccines, you would have to look at taking each one individually and seeing how they respond to changes in the environment. It is nice in theory to say there would be no need for them if you removed toxins and unsanitary conditions, but no one actually knows whether that would happen in reality because there has never been the opportunity to test it.
And yet everyone should have enough God-given common-sense to understand that poisons are BAD (poisonous) to the body, and should therefore be avoided.

There is nothing wrong with understanding someone's resistance to an experiment like this when you consider that most vaccines concern childhood illness. It is a tough place for parents to be right now where people are interested in selling their ideas about vaccines rather than empathizing with the way they are concluding the inherent priority of protecting their children.
Anyone who is still peddling the morally and intellectually bankrupt idea of injecting poisons directly into the small, developing bodies of infants and children is not in a position to lecture anyone else on empathy, and really should have their head examined. It's tantamount to murder to support vaccines. Period.

It would be beneficial for all concerned if you would please research the true history of childhood vaccines before you post anything else on this subject.

God Bless.
 

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Thank-you for your reply. Please see more below.


All of the doctors are wrong. And all of the patients who have neglected themselves will not be helped by doctors who treat symptoms rather than the root cause of the problem.

What would you hope to be accomplished by treating symptoms please? The simplest example that can be thought of regarding this extremely short-sided approach is the use of tylenol (acetaminophen) to bring someone's temperature down. Parents even use this on their children to bring their temperatures down, based on their doctor's recommendation.

Tylenol, like ALL pharmaceutical drugs, is a poison. There are plenty of studies out there on the toxic effects tylenol has on the liver. Why would someone intentionally damage their body's liver (or the liver of their child's body) to bring down their temperature (a symptom)? The body is running a fever for a good reason, to rid itself of another toxin, or the bacteria it created to deal with the toxin.

Do you see how thoughtless and dangerous that really is? And yet this goes on all of the time, because very few bother to read anything before popping a pill, or putting one into their own child's mouth.


If you actually were aware of how bad vaccines really are, and how many billions have been adversely affected by them, you wouldn't be advocating the use of them. You may not feel that's what you're doing, but it is. That's why you keep looking for some way to get them back into the conversation, or to look for some new way to deliver those poisons to their unwitting (?) victims.

Suspending a poison in hydrogen peroxide doesn't make any sense at all, because it's still a poison, even if slightly diluted. Do you really not see how illogical that idea really is please?


How can introducing potentially lethal poisons to address ANY condition purportedly improve it? You're being utterly ridicuous!


That isn't any more reasonable than your two previous statements, both of which are completely and totally illogical. You're assuming that every single virus isn't specifically coded to the cell it came from, for a specific job it's designed to do, despite evidence to the contrary.


If germ theory (which defines a virus as a foreign invader and is what vaccines are predicated upon) is correct, there would be no one alive to advocate it, as every healthy living cell on earth would long ago have been invaded and killed by all of these so-called viruses.

So what you've said again makes no sense, and proves you really don't understand how dangerous vaccines really are, and think that this is an argument that someone can "win". This is NOT an argument; it is a fact that the germ theory is IMPOSSIBLE, which means that all vaccines are predicated upon a FANTASY (the opposite of reality).


??? Again how could injecting someone with known poisons win any battle of any kind? You are making absolutely no sense whatsoever.


Again, if germ theory was correct, there would be no life on earth, as every healthy cell would have fallen under attack from these mystery foreign invaders being referred to as viruses, even though no one has ever been able to logically explain how something that isn't alive, and has no means of locomotion, could somehow find its way past all of the body's natural defenses to even get next to a healthy cell, much less find a way to get inside of it.

It's an intellectually bankrupt argument, and yet it is the basis for the alleged need for vaccines. Without germ theory there is no need for vaccines. And nobody needs to poison themselves for any reason, so any argument for vaccines is, IN REALITY, completely untenable. And yet here you are pretending to understand how dangerous vaccines are, while at the same time advocating their use.

You do understand what cognitive dissonance is, don't you?


An unsanitary environment is a toxic environment, is it not?


So let's see if it's possible to understand where you coming from here...

You're saying that injecting poisons directly into our body's bloodstream is a necessary and good thing, but living in sanitary conditions without all of these toxins is a bad thing?


And yet everyone should have enough God-given common-sense to understand that poisons are BAD (poisonous) to the body, and should therefore be avoided.


Anyone who is still peddling the morally and intellectually bankrupt idea of injecting poisons directly into the small, developing bodies of infants and children is not in a position to lecture anyone else on empathy, and really should have their head examined. It's tantamount to murder to support vaccines. Period.

It would be beneficial for all concerned if you would please research the true history of childhood vaccines before you post anything else on this subject.

God Bless.
this is why no one takes the anti vax arguments seriously. The only thing that you have said over and over again is basically that people who support the use of vaccines are stupid for doing this. You offer no solutions or middle ground. The real world includes trying to be reasonable with others and find some way to compromise when you can’t come to an agreement.

you have added nothing new to continue responding to and you have not elevated your initial argument on the subject in any way. So this will conclude our discussion.

god bless.
 

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this is why no one takes the anti vax arguments seriously. The only thing that you have said over and over again is basically that people who support the use of vaccines are stupid for doing this. You offer no solutions or middle ground. The real world includes trying to be reasonable with others and find some way to compromise when you can’t come to an agreement.

you have added nothing new to continue responding to and you have not elevated your initial argument on the subject in any way. So this will conclude our discussion.

god bless.
What would you know about being reasonable please? Nothing you've suggested thus far has been reasonable. No one in their right mind would think it reasonable to negotiate with pure evil, or that "a little bit of hemlock" will be okay.

THE Solution to this problem has been offered. It's not only reasonable, but it's so obvious that it should gain immediate support from anyone and everyone who genuinely care for others: we need to stop poisoning ourselves, beginning with our minds. It cannot be any simpler or more logical than that.

If you're still convinced there is some reasonable middle ground here, then why don't you prove for us that vaccines do not contain known poisons? Wouldn't that be the easiest and most reasonable way for you to make your point please? Otherwise you have no point, do you?

God Bless.
 
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So the girl had depression and the mom is blaming Gardasil YEARS after she took the shot and didn't have any actual side effects.
Sure gardasil had problems and got replaced ages ago but suicide? Too far fetched.

Seems like denial in parenting to me like there is in almost all teenage suicide case. "There is no way it was the depression, its x-y-z's fault".
As if Depression doesn't already have a high suicide rate.
 
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