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You are either more outraged by people getting murdered by cops

Or you are more outraged by looting

You could even be outraged by both

But which outrages you more.

If you say the same, you are lying. That means you are more outraged by looting, and dont have the guts to admit it.

The lines have been drawn.

If you are more outraged by looting, you are WITH the police state.

And remember they have us all profiled through data analytics, social media, etc.. so they know how all of us would answer that question.

That's how they tailor a politicians rhetoric towards your needs.
 






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You are either more outraged by people getting murdered by cops

Or you are more outraged by looting

You could even be outraged by both

But which outrages you more.

If you say the same, you are lying. That means you are more outraged by looting, and dont have the guts to admit it.

The lines have been drawn.

If you are more outraged by looting, you are WITH the police state.

And remember they have us all profiled through data analytics, social media, etc.. so they know how all of us would answer that question.
9 unarmed black people were shot and killed by police in 2019. 6 in 2018. Incredibly small and insignificant numbers.
 






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You are either more outraged by people getting murdered by cops

Or you are more outraged by looting

You could even be outraged by both

But which outrages you more.

If you say the same, you are lying.

The lines have been drawn.

If you are more outraged by looting, you are WITH the police state.
You make quite the peculiar point...

I mean I'm personally content with the peaceful protesters and the protesters who rioted in the good way, but I am not content with the rioters who overwhelmed themselves and the looters who said, "Well, here's a protest, let's blend in and steal!" That wasn't right. I personally say I'm outraged with both though, sorry if that seems wrong to you. I dislike the fact that some cops are willing to murder for no reason whatsoever, and I dislike the fact many people decided to use this genuine protest as a selfish opportunity to steal from various stores thus making us have curfews literally every day where I'm at, (basically a less stricter version of Martial Law) and making us have problems with going to stores now since that happened. Now we're going to have problems buying things whether you do it in person or online, and we're all likely under stress no matter how little or how much. We now have 12 hours, half of a day basically, to get what we need. Curfews start at 6pm and end at 6am.

Noticing the numbers, 6 and 6 and 12 hours...2+1=3
Either they purposely set it like that or I'm being dramatic with numerology theories.
 






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It’s a cold war thing.
Team B......look into it (cranking up the numbers)
I’ve always been suspicious of our government since I’ve gotten into conspiracy stuff though.

That I’ll admit is we are conditioned by our surroundings/experiences. So to think of another reality beyond that... not entirely on topic. But I’ve been fed the anti commie propaganda growing up.

I’m not redneck by anymeans. For an hispanic though, I’m a “murican” bro. Lol.

But I can put my biases aside and am open to constructive opposing beliefs/opinions
I understand. There's hardly anyone who hasn't been fed anti-commie propaganda (except those who haven't been exposed to American cinema) but it takes will to move past it. It puts my mind in a knot reading those things in conspiracy circles. The MSM can say it because they are beholden to a higher power and have an agenda to push but it's hard for me when individuals still cling to those biases/propaganda despite all the evidence building up around them.
Russia isn't the one building FEMA camps. It isn't the one signing executive orders and drafting terrorist lists that will as soon include belief in conspiracy (theories) facts. Russia isn't the one declaring the whole world a battlefield and that you can be picked up anywhere around the world and locked up without trial. Russia isn't the one militarizing the police. The list goes on and on...

TPTB (in america) keep pushing the narrative of the external enemy seeking to undermine American democracy as a way to deflect from the real enemy within. But those gullible enough (not you) will continue to swallow it until their neck is on a chopping block in an internment camp that Russia/China/Iran didn't build. There is a reason that entertainment perpetuates the enemy image of Russia.

You are a smart and reasonable guy, so i was thrown off balance reading your post. I even thought you were joking.

Couple of things I think are positive.


If the national guard refused to deploy, that would be a pretty big symbol of change. I don’t know if it’s possible, but it would be positive. The article says there is a veteran's petition endorsing a move like this.


“ill be introducing an amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act to discontinue the program that transfers military weaponry to local police departments," the Hawaii Democrat tweetedlate Sunday.

Julián Castro, the former Housing Secretary, applauded Schatz's proposal, warning that "as long as our police arm up like a combat force, they'll act like it."

President Donald Trump in 2017 rolled backObama-era limits on the 1033 Program, which authorizes the Defense Department to send military equipment and weapons to local police departments. As NBC reported at the time, "Congress created the program in 1990 during the height of the war on drugs for federal and state law enforcement agencies, and it was expanded seven years later to include all law enforcement departments."

"Since the program's inception," NBC noted, "more than $5.4 billion in equipment has flowed to police."


I think the support we are already starting to see beyond the protest, is an encouraging sign of real potential change. There is a lot that is starting to happen besides the protests.
The only thing that concerns me in this case is that....is it possible for this scene in Divergent to play out in real-life? The soldiers were given a serum that turned them into robots, marching out and prepared to kill on order. Because the reality is that for the guard to refuse to deploy would definitely be a huge blow to "their" plans.
 






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The police state begins.
‘Prudent planning measure’: Pentagon flies 1,600 active-duty troops into DC area to be on standby as protests continue

:oops::oops::oops:

Have you considered that you are being played and that they are banking on eliciting that very response from you? How do you know that the active-duty standby won't be semi-permanent from here on? Have you considered that this is to actually inaugurate a "battlefield America"? The way you are approving of it, is the very same way the "flag wavers" back in 2001 approved of the War on Terror after the collapse of the Twin Towers. But we now know who ended up losing the most and the story won't be any different this time around.

A trip back in time (2001)...
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Note:
Mike Pence's West Point grad speech as he listed future theaters of war: "some of you may even be called upon to serve in this hemisphere."
 






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I’m pretty sure every person here owns a black outfit for chrissakes. This MUST be real. MUST BE. But 911 was a hologram and no one ever dies in mass shootings. Right... :rolleyes:
What is this then:


And isn't it odd that the son of Minnesota's AG and others declared their support for Antifa right after this?

I never said that 911 was a "hologram", stop with the stupid strawmen will ya.
 






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"If it keeps going the way it's going, I have a chance to break the Deep State. It's a vicious group of people. It's very bad for our country."

 






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You are either more outraged by people getting murdered by cops

Or you are more outraged by looting

You could even be outraged by both

But which outrages you more.

If you say the same, you are lying. That means you are more outraged by looting, and dont have the guts to admit it.

The lines have been drawn.

If you are more outraged by looting, you are WITH the police state.

And remember they have us all profiled through data analytics, social media, etc.. so they know how all of us would answer that question.

That's how they tailor a politicians rhetoric towards your needs.

I think a lot of people have been taught to hate cops more than they hate criminals. That's far more dangerous than the threat of a police state. Because from whichever way you look at it, a society needs police, it doesn't need criminals.
 






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Destruction of businesses, looting, violent rioting, beating and terrorizing people trying to defend their business or just walking/driving down the street, murder... and you are actually wondering why people are making statements like that on facebook? Seriously, how can you even make such a stupid statement, and drag 'white business owners' into your comment, as if only they are worried about their businesses. Business owners of all colors justifiably are scared.

In the deleted thread, you were cheering for the 'burn this shit down' mob. Wondering if all this is still funny to you after protestors set fire to a building and blocked emergency vehicles as children burned, or beat business owners senseless when they were just trying to defend their business.
Every protest even remotely nearby my home has been 100% peaceful. Every single one. This area is like 95% white to begin with. Plus I know the guy who made the original post alerting business owners - he’s a drug dealer and a racist. The little MAGA hat wearing teenagers in town have been terrorizing little old ladies for days now. So yeah, not a stupid comment. I think I know the people I live around a little better then you.

I also never said anything was funny. But I’m not going to cry about attacks on police stations, Courthouse’s, and multinational corporations when theyve been setting fire to this country and the people of this country for centuries.
 






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I thought you people needed your guns to stand up to a tyrannical government? Now your cheering that tyrannical government on? Fuck outta here...

I’ve seen you guys say a whole lot about looting and rioting. Convenient silence about all the police violence occurring against peaceful protesters. Spray tear gas on peaceful protesters and can’t blame them for burning shit down.
 






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I thought you people needed your guns to stand up to a tyrannical government? Now your cheering that tyrannical government on? Fuck outta here...

I’ve seen you guys say a whole lot about looting and rioting. Convenient silence about all the police violence occurring against peaceful protesters. Spray tear gas on peaceful protesters and can’t blame them for burning shit down.
Do u support the looting and rioting?
 






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The MSM isn't blaming Antifa. The NYPD is. Everyone else says it's white supremacists from out of state.
Yeah that’s literally not what I’ve seen at all. Nope. The president blamed Antifa. Half the news networks are blaming Antifa. And the liberal news networks have remained silent, not denying the accusations for shit sure.

do I support the violence? That’s an interesting question... I’m a pacifist, and you know that. However, when riot police are tear Gassing peaceful protesters im not going to be incredibly upset when those protesters turn around and burn down a police station. I will say this again... I’ve seen a lot of pear clutching about looting and rioting and virtual silence from those same people about all the police attacks on peaceful protesters. The president had peaceful protesters tear gassed for a photo opportunity for chrissakes. How can you be mad at people breaking windows in response to agitation and not mad at police - who bear a way higher standard of duty btw for violent acts against people exercising their constitutional right to protest and instigating violence to begin with?

When I have more patience I guess I can sit here and repost everything that’s conveniently disappeared but tbh I don’t see the point. Everyone’s mind is already made up so no matter what or how much I post to support what I’m saying it’s just going to be ignored and deflected from anyway.
 






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Yeah that’s literally not what I’ve seen at all. Nope. The president blamed Antifa. Half the news networks are blaming Antifa. And the liberal news networks have remained silent, not denying the accusations for shit sure.

do I support the violence? That’s an interesting question... I’m a pacifist, and you know that. However, when riot police are tear Gassing peaceful protesters im not going to be incredibly upset when those protesters turn around and burn down a police station. I will say this again... I’ve seen a lot of pear clutching about looting and rioting and virtual silence from those same people about all the police attacks on peaceful protesters. The president had peaceful protesters tear gassed for a photo opportunity for chrissakes. How can you be mad at people breaking windows in response to agitation and not mad at police - who bear a way higher standard of duty btw for violent acts against people exercising their constitutional right to protest and instigating violence to begin with?

When I have more patience I guess I can sit here and repost everything that’s conveniently disappeared but tbh I don’t see the point. Everyone’s mind is already made up so no matter what or how much I post to support what I’m saying it’s just going to be ignored and deflected from anyway.
Alot of peaceful protestors and black people, dont support the looting. That guy just died defending a store, he was black. Theres a time to stop, because its not worth the death, and there has to be a better way if there isnt then the world is doomed to war.

Ill say it again

Civil war is coming.
 






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Do u support the looting and rioting?
Small business? No. I’ve said that from the start.

burning down a police station? Well.. I just watched that video you posted above. I’m sure you watched it as well. Do you have a problem with it after watching that?
 






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Small business? No. I’ve said that from the start.

burning down a police station? Well.. I just watched that video you posted above. I’m sure you watched it as well. Do you have a problem with it after watching that?
I understand it, but I also dont believe in an eye for an eye. Not ALL cops are bad.

If we apply this logic to islamic terrorists we would be labeled as irrational and prejudice. Its the same situation.

There has to be a better way. I think the better way is cops joining protests if they dont agree. we have to have a bit of a better moral standard, or we turn into the purge. I keep coming back to that movie. But its like at the end of the first one, she has the oppurtunity to kill the neighbours but doesnt. and I think that represents the spirit of what im trying to convey.
 






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I understand it, but I also dont believe in an eye for an eye. Not ALL cops are bad.

If we apply this logic to islamic terrorists we would be labeled as irrational and prejudice. Its the same situation.

There has to be a better way. I think the better way is cops joining protests if they dont agree. we have to have a bit of a better moral standard, or we turn into the purge. I keep coming back to that movie. But its like at the end of the first one, she has the oppurtunity to kill the neighbours but doesnt. and I think that represents the spirit of what im trying to convey.
If you applied the logic... it would be all Islamic terrorists are bad. Which they are. Not all Muslims are bad. But that isn’t the same logic. Apples and oranges. The logic you are trying to exemplar would be all white people are bad, which they aren’t.

I’d love to see the cops lay down their weapons and join the protesters. And do it for real - instead of turning around thirty minutes later and tear gassing the same people they had just knelt with (which has been happening).

the purge is a great movie example for this situation so I get why you keep coming back to it - but did you see the purge prequel? Who was actually inciting people to violence? Cops, government, shady white rich people groups. Same shit here. When they weren’t naturally violent enough on their own the powers that be moved in and framed them and then forced their hands. Same shit here.
 






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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-k8iQbKfqc&feature=youtu.be
 






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Small business? No. I’ve said that from the start.

burning down a police station? Well.. I just watched that video you posted above. I’m sure you watched it as well. Do you have a problem with it after watching that?
You don't even know what happened to him. You don't know why they took him. What if they took him so he would remain safe from harm? You're jumping to conclusions. And none of what that video showed justifies setting a police station on fire.
 






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