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Answer my question first.

How are the poster children for consumer capitalism suddenly in bed with the Communists?
The wealthiest fraction of society has always been the driving force behind communism. Antifa enforcing the values of the capitalists is nothing new, its in continuity with radical leftist and communist movements throughout history. Antifa being pro immigration and open boarders for ideological reasons that were given to them helps capitalists because they get cheap labor. Radical leftist attacking nationalists helps for the same reason because it stops organization of actual working class sentiment. Destroying self sufficient business owners is also great for capitalists. Why do you think there has been no significant arrests or jail time given to these people? It's because they pose no threat to their system of power, in fact they strengthen it and enforce it. They do not rebel against mainstream values, their complaint is that people aren't in line strongly enough with them, the values we see in tv, advertising, hollywood, elitist newspapers, elite circles.
 
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The wealthiest fraction of society has always been the driving force behind communism. Antifa enforcing the values of the capitalists is nothing new, its in continuity with radical leftist and communist movements throughout history. Antifa being pro immigration and open boarders for ideological reasons that were given to them helps capitalists because they get cheap labor. Radical leftist attacking nationalists helps for the same reason because it stops organization of actual working class sentiment. Destroying self sufficient business owners is also great for capitalists. Why do you think there has been no significant arrests or jail time given to these people? It's because they pose no threat to their system of power, in fact they strengthen it and enforce it. They do not rebel against mainstream values, their complaint is that people aren't in line strongly enough with them, the values we see in tv, advertising, hollywood, elitist newspapers, elite circles.
If you believe all that, why do you treat Antifa the way you do, when you know you have the same enemy? In essence, you are saying you agree with the points they make; they are just attacking the wrong things.

To put it another way, I see a lot of hyping up Antifa going on here. This is especially counterproductive if they are the low-level enforcers, as you describe. Shouldn't we ignore them? More importantly, couldn't one argue by "doing battle" with these enforcers we are also doing what the elite want.

How do we describe the "elite," though? It seems to me they want the best of both worlds. Like they want to be part of communism and literally own a part of everything while squeezing out every single penny they can. It's socialism for them, and a rigged market shitshow for the rest of us.

I'm not even a socialist, but even I can tell solving that problem will involve aiming for socialism for everyone. Ultimately, we are not going to take the elites brand of socialism away from them.
 
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Lol at people describing Antifa as "murderers"

You literally have ONE possible murder linked to Antifa and even that one is problematic.

Michael Reinheoel, described himself as being 100% Antifa, in the sense that he is 100% against fascism, I could say the same about myself. He specifically stated HE WASNT A PART OF ANY ORGANIZATION. So no Reinheol wasn't Antifa, and second he didn't murder anybody but acted in self defence, shooting a guy who maced him first, a guy who was armed with a loaded handgun, a knife, mace, and who had been assaulting people all day because he disagreed with them politically.

But let's give you that one murder since your case against Antifa is so pathetic.

Right wing terrorists have killed hundreds of people over the last few decades. The vast majority of terror attacks come from right wing nuts.

And yet you clowns still push the elite propaganda about Antifa=Bad.

They hate both Biden and Trump. Thats a good start, while most right wing freaks hang off Trumps nuts.

"Populists" LMFAO.

Fascists are always the useful idiots of the elites, pretending to be "anti establishment" yet falling for the elite divide and conquer tactics of the culture wars and completely ignoring the pro war, pro authoritarian, and pro corporate agenda of the Orange Clown, or whatever cult of personality the fascists put forward.
 
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If you believe all that, why do you treat Antifa the way you do, when you know you have the same enemy? In essence, you are saying you agree with the points they make; they are just attacking the wrong things.
The enemy of antifa are the common people, those who are not aligned enough with corporate and elitist values. They do nothing to challenge the system of power. So I don't have the same enemy as them. They are the arm of violence for the corporate establishment, corporate news, academic elitists, global think tanks, the values and interests of the wealthy, the elites. The values of what is acceptable and propogated on TV, in adversizing, in the NYT and WaPo, Netflix, by google, youtube, twitter execs. Antifa is not anti-capitalist, they are anti """""fascist""""", which is defined by them as working class sentiment, nationalism, family, tradition, community, freedom. The same thing that stands in the way of corporate elitist powers ruling over a society of atomized individuals and consumers

To put it another way, I see a lot of hyping up Antifa going on here. This is especially counterproductive if they are the low-level enforcers, as you describe. Shouldn't we ignore them? More importantly, couldn't one argue by "doing battle" with these enforcers we are also doing what the elite want.
Yes definitely. I don't agree with street level violence that antifa wants to sink politics into. The rest of your post I agree with.
 
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Answer my question first.

How are the poster children for consumer capitalism suddenly in bed with the Communists?
End goal was always to dispossess everyone of private property and expatriate all national wealth into the hands of international bankers. Capitalism is the means by usurers to seize control over all property, Communism is the means by which to solidify it. If you dominate the free market, you dominate government. Dominate it enough and you can impose your rule. Business giants will continue to reap the benefits when everyone will be forced to subscribe to their monopolist position, but in the hierarchy they will still be under those who supply the money everyone is forced to pay with.
 

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End goal was always to dispossess everyone of private property and expatriate all national wealth into the hands of international bankers. Capitalism is the means by usurers to seize control over all property, Communism is the means by which to solidify it. If you dominate the free market, you dominate government. Dominate it enough and you can impose your rule. Business giants will continue to reap the benefits when everyone will be forced to subscribe to their monopolist position, but in the hierarchy they will still be under those who supply the money everyone is forced to pay with.
As a theory what you wrote is fine, but some of the details are a bit fuzzy. Like how can the bankers maintain their lifestyle if all or even most of the private property loses its value? America's economy isn't being driven by our natural resources bro. It's driven by wealth and speculation about that wealth. So the money has to keep going in that circle.

Now maybe that circle of transferring wealth can get smaller. We've seen it happen and yeah, the giant businesses haven't even flinched. Most of them didn't even flinch in 2008. But we're still very far from all private property being dispossessed. I don't see how we could have a functioning economy if the circle of money got too small.
 
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It's almost like people have the choice to remain peaceful and respectful of others or behave like lunatics who could not give a crap about anyone else but themselves. Weird.
The hundreds of dead people because if right wing terrorists ?

Were those "peaceful" deaths ?

Just wondering.
 
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Once again, nobody here believes in political violence or supports it except you vancityeagle. So you tacitly give your support to any and all “right wing” violence because you believe political violence is nessessary. This is not left vs right. This is extremism (blm/terrorism etc) vs peace. You are responsible for all right wing violence because your views grant the power of violence as a nessessity to the left.
 

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Once again, nobody here believes in political violence or supports it except you vancityeagle. So you tacitly give your support to any and all “right wing” violence because you believe political violence is nessessary. This is not left vs right. This is extremism (blm/terrorism etc) vs peace. You are responsible for all right wing violence because your views grant the power of violence as a nessessity to the left.
Calls for violence tend to get black op's sent to your house. But I do believe the politicians are not gonna represent the people if they don't fear the people.

Here's an example. Look at all of these politicians ordering lock downs and then literally going on a vacation / traveling the same day.
This would not happen if the people still settled things with trees and a rope. But sadly there is no fear amongst our ruling class and cowards are in every city. We have millions facing eviction and starvation. Not because of con-vid, because our rulers ordered a shutdown of the economy. 11 months later after multiple strong proofs of this being a scam-demic, these overlords are still making draconian demands. The scumbag from CA just ordered a total state shutdown while he took 27 family members out to eat. Seriously, are you kidding me?

Why are these people not targets? I'm not advocating violence, but i can guarantee if someone says lock it down and he is put in harms way, the next guy won't be so quick to "shut it down". They might actually put thier health in front of their pocket book.

End of the day we all know con-vid is a scam. Big pharma has bribed everyone important and because of this many are suffering. What do our leaders do? Whatever they want to do because its "rules for thee, not for me".

This would change if people showed up at their door with some rope.
 
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Calls for violence tend to get black op's sent to your house. But I do believe the politicians are not gonna represent the people if they don't fear the people.

Here's an example. Look at all of these politicians ordering lock downs and then literally going on a vacation / traveling the same day.
This would not happen if the people still settled things with trees and a rope. But sadly there is no fear amongst our ruling class and cowards are in every city. We have millions facing eviction and starvation. Not because of con-vid, because our rulers ordered a shutdown of the economy. 11 months later after multiple strong proofs of this being a scam-demic, these overlords are still making draconian demands. The scumbag from CA just ordered a total state shutdown while he took 27 family members out to eat. Seriously, are you kidding me?

Why are these people not targets? I'm not advocating violence, but i can guarantee if someone says lock it down and he is put in harms way, the next guy won't be so quick to "shut it down". They might actually put thier health in front of their pocket book.

End of the day we all know con-vid is a scam. Big pharma has bribed everyone important and because of this many are suffering. What do our leaders do? Whatever they want to do because its "rules for thee, not for me".

This would change if people showed up at their door with some rope.
You’re absolutely right. Personally I believe the elites intentionally staged the whole black lives matters garbage at this time, where half the population is attacking the other half because they up top are screwing us over completely and we should be able to agree about that. But instead we have a steam valve where black lives matter goes and destroys small businesses, the media advocates for it, politicians let it happen happily, and any protest against the covid lie is actually a target of antifa, whose enemy are normal people, not politicians or elites. So I think It’s clear these two situations go hand in hand and were intentionally paired. We should all be able to agree about the lie that is covid no matter our political beliefs, we should agree who the enemies of the people are, the media and elites, instead we have some stupid garbage where some guy George Floyd dies of a drug overdose on camera and the media gets a bunch of useful idiots to attack people and destroy cities, keep people fighting while the plan is formented
 
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