LGBT+ movement starting to backfire [part 3]

Wanderlust

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From anti-TERF websites I have seen in the past, do you think these transwomen knew they would be rejected by gay men/ straight women so they approached lesbians as second choice, or do they only want women because they are straight/ bisexual men in disguise?
There's a running joke in the gay community about gay men who actively chase straight men and are rejected deciding to become women to get them. There are those ones, gay men who try to emulate the quintessential pornstar or influencer look who usually go after men, and then there are the usually less societally-attractive males who are either autogynophiles or predatory straight men. They target lesbians specifically because it is a fetish. I also know many who just feel an entitlement to women and queer female spaces. They get off on lesbianism and the idea of being part of an identity they will never experience in actuality.
 
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Then why bring it up at all?
Because your deceptive link said they were straight because theyve been married or had children. I actually clarified that them having children didnt mean they dont now engage in same sex behavior, nor that they didnt have same sex attraction all along.
Only religious nuts consider it that way lmao.
I'd rather be a religious nut than a sodomite.

Which still disproves the lie that most predators are gay. Most are straight, of both girls and boys
No, all it says is that 79% are not "exclusively homosexual", and it includes bisexual and straight in the same category.
You've admitted in another thread that you've have s*x with a female at some point, so guess what, you're not in the "exclusive" homosexual category either.

And im not interested in discussing this matter, or any matter with you. There's a reason i did not originally quote your post.
 

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There's a running joke in the gay community about gay men who actively chase straight men and are rejected deciding to become women to get them. There are those ones, gay men who try to emulate the quintessential pornstar or influencer look who usually go after men, and then there are the usually less societally-attractive males who are either autogynophiles or predatory straight men. They target lesbians specifically because it is a fetish. I also know many who just feel an entitlement to women and queer female spaces. They get off on lesbianism and the idea of being part of an identity they will never experience in actuality.
Wouldn't THAT be an interesting research project? Who do transwomen REALLY want - and statistics : transwomen wanting men [but giving up and defaulting to women] versus transwomen wanting women only and calling women who reject them TERFs [manipulative losers 2.0]

How likely will that ever get done in today's pro-Trans [no matter what circumstances] research environment?

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Because your deceptive link said they were straight because theyve been married or had children. I actually clarified that them having children didnt mean they dont now engage in same sex behavior, nor that they didnt have same sex attraction all along.
The article actually bases those labels on self ID. Do you want another link that says the exact same thing?

I'd rather be a religious nut than a sodomite.
Funny, just like how you'd probably rather be a man than a woman, given how much you hate them and femininity.

No, all it says is that 79% are not "exclusively homosexual", and it includes bisexual and straight in the same category.
You've admitted in another thread that you've have s*x with a female at some point, so guess what, you're not in the "exclusive" homosexual category either.
Which is exactly as I said. Gay men (as in men exclusively attracted to men perpetrate at much lower rates than other demographics. Get it now?

And im not interested in discussing this matter, or any matter with you. There's a reason i did not originally quote your post.
Because you exposed yourself as being self hating lol.
 
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Funny, just like how you'd probably rather be a man than a woman, given how much you hate them and femininity.
God made me a female. It is impossible to change one's sex, so its irrelevant if i would have rather been male.
But no, i would not like to be a man. I would like people to stop assigning definitions to "woman" or "feminine" that have nothing to do with biology.

The article actually bases those labels on self ID. Do you want another link that says the exact same thing?
Yes, one that follows people's behavior for life and also their innermost urges and doesnt rely on self id.

Which is exactly as I said. Gay men (as in men exclusively attracted to men perpetrate at much lower rates than other demographics. Get it now?
Thats what your "self id" link says. I wonder how hard it is to just lie on this self id survey...


Because you exposed yourself as being self hating lol.
Nope, i dont hate myself but feel free to keep believing that if it makes you feel better
 

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Then why bring it up at all?


Only religious nuts consider it that way lmao.


Which still disproves the lie that most predators are gay. Most are straight, of both girls and boys.
Yes there are lower numbers of gay predators compared to heterosexual predators, but some research shows they are at higher risk of being p3d0philes.

Pubmed (1992) The proportions of heterosexual and homosexual pedophiles among sex offenders against children: an exploratory study
"Using phallometric test sensitivities* [link inserted] to calculate the proportion of true pedophiles among various groups of sex offenders against children, and taking into consideration previously reported mean numbers of victims per offender group, the ratio of heterosexual to homosexual pedophiles was calculated to be approximately 11:1."
 
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God made me a female. It is impossible to change one's sex, so its irrelevant if i would have rather been male.
But no, i would not like to be a man. I would like people to stop assigning definitions to woman" or "feminine" that have nothing to do with biology.
I'm very sorry that I as a man seem to have had better experiences with women than you. You seem very uncomfortable with being female because I take it you feel excluded? Like a failed woman? Which is why you make the comments you do about other women.

Yes, one that follows people's behavior for life and also their innermost urges and doesnt rely on self id.


Thats what your "self id" link says. I wonder how hard it is to just lie on this self id survey...
Every major study ever conducted yields the same results. Either the majority of pedos are straight men or straight men are lying about being straight.

Nope, i dont hate myself but feel free to keep believing that if it makes you feel better
I beg to differ but OK.
 

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Yes there are lower numbers of gay predators compared to heterosexual predators, but some research shows they are at higher risk of being p3d0philes.

Pubmed (1992) The proportions of heterosexual and homosexual pedophiles among sex offenders against children: an exploratory study
"Using phallometric test sensitivities* [link inserted] to calculate the proportion of true pedophiles among various groups of sex offenders against children, and taking into consideration previously reported mean numbers of victims per offender group, the ratio of heterosexual to homosexual pedophiles was calculated to be approximately 11:1."
Are there any updated studies after 1992?
 

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Are there any updated studies after 1992?
Yes that is an older study. I am trying to search for sites that are objective ones and not opinion pieces from either side, it is quite time consuming to do that unfortunately.
You can help, research journal results is probably a good rule of thumb.
 

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Yes that is an older study. I am trying to search for sites that are objective ones and not opinion pieces from either side, it is quite time consuming to do that unfortunately.
You can help, research journal results is probably a good rule of thumb.
You're seriously asking me as a gay man, to try and help you find "proof" that gay men are more likely to abuse kids? Despite the FLAT numbers showing more predators in the straight community?
 

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You're seriously asking me as a gay man, to try and help you find "proof" that gay men are more likely to abuse kids? Despite the FLAT numbers showing more predators in the straight community?
Modern articles displaying heterosexual versus homosexual statistics for p3d0philia - isn't impartiality to find the truth a good objective?
Shouldn't truth, whether positive or negative always be the goal?
 
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I'm very sorry that I as a man seem to have had better experiences with women than you. You seem very uncomfortable with being female because I take it you feel excluded? Like a failed woman? Which is why you make the comments you do about other women.
Your experience as a man interacting wih women is irrelevant to my experience AS a woman. For someone who claims to not be pro the trans thing you sure have the same belief as them that they know all about the female experience...

No, not a failed woman, just one that doesnt fit into much of the culturally constructed stereotypes of how a woman supposedly is. Which you are perpetuating by insulting me because i dont fit into them.

Every major study ever conducted yields the same results. Either the majority of pedos are straight men or straight men are lying about being straight.
I can believe straight men are offending against girls, but no man who wants to sodomize another male, regardless of age, is fully straight.

I beg to differ but OK.
Yeah because according to you the only way a woman is not "self hating" is probably if she is a man hater or something
 

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Modern articles displaying heterosexual versus homosexual statistics for p3d0philia - isn't impartiality to find the truth a good objective?
Shouldn't truth, whether positive or negative always be the goal?
Of course it is, but the difference is you're trying to make p***philia a feature of homosexuality. Despite the actual numbers presented. Weird especially considering the history of child brides and current straight male obsession with youth tbh.
 

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Your experience as a man interacting wih women is irrelevant to my experience AS a woman. For someone who claims to not be pro the trans thing you sure have the same belief as them that they know all about the female experience...
Alright then, I'll compare it to the women in my life who have strong bonds with other women. And they're a mix of feminine vs masculine women btw. It's weird that a woman can speak so lowly of other women.

No, not a failed woman, just one that doesnt fit into much of the culturally constructed stereotypes of how a woman supposedly is. Which you are perpetuating by insulting me because i dont fit into them.
I called out the reasoning behind why I believe you hate femininity and other women. I never insulted you for it. The only people I've seen mock women for not falling into certain categories on this forum is men, funnily enough.

I can believe straight men are offending against girls, but no man who wants to sodomize another male, regardless of age, is fully straight.
Well, they certainly believe they're straight. Google MSM male clubs.

Yeah because according to you the only way a woman is not "self hating" is probably if she is a man hater or something
It's not what you say or don't say about men that makes me think you hate your own gender. It's what you say about women.
 

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You're seriously asking me as a gay man, to try and help you find "proof" that gay men are more likely to abuse kids? Despite the FLAT numbers showing more predators in the straight community?
Because of copyright issues + I can only cut-and-paste a section from the journal:
International Perspectives on the Assessment and Treatment of Sexual Offenders (Theory, Practice, and Research) || American Sexual Offender Castration Treatment and Legislation [2011]
Boer, Douglas P., Eher, Reinhard, Craig, Leam A., Miner, Michael H., Pfäfflin, Friedemann


Another key factor in determining an offender’s risk for recidivism is the type
of victim pursued. Consequently, sex offenders are often grouped and defined
based on their victims. Specific types of sexual offenders, namely homosexual
pedophiles and nonrelated pedophiles have the highest rate of reoffending

(Barbaree, Langton, & Peacock, 2006; Stone, Winslade, & Klugman, 2000).
Several studies have reported that bisexual and homosexual pedophiles have
higher rates of reoffending compared to their heterosexual counterparts, as
opposed to incest pedophiles who are the least likely to reoffend
(Bartosh,
Garby, Lewis, & Gray, 2003; Beier, 1998;Maletzky & Steinhauser, 2002; Seto,
Harris, Rice, & Barbaree, 2004). Positive predictors of recidivism in the
homosexual and bisexual pedophilic populations were: (1) those offenders
that were “exclusive pedophiles,” (2) above or of average intelligence, (3)
offenders were middle-aged at time of first offense, (4) abused peripubescent
children, (5) offender history of early sexual experiences, and (6) diagnosis of a
personality disorder (Beier, 1998; Hall, 2007). Heterosexual pedophiles had
different predictors of recidivism. This population was most likely to reoffend if
(1) they had a poor support system, (2) they had their first sexual experience
before 19 years of age, (3) they were middle-aged or older at the time of the first
offense, and (4) if they had abused children unknown to them (Beier, 1998).
It should be pointed out that the average age of first sexual intercourse
has decreased over the years to 16 (as of 2008) making the Beier’s second
predictor of recidivism for heterosexual pedophiles unlikely to hold in today’s
social climate.
When evaluating child molesters, the target victim (intrafamilial vs. extra-
familial) has a profound impact on recidivism rates. In two studies looking at the
recidivism rates of subgroups of child molesters, intrafamilial offenders had the
lowest rates of sexual recidivism, violent recidivism, or any type of offending (6%,
12%, 27% respectively) compared to extrafamilial child molesters (15%, 20%, 42%
respectively) (Firestone et al., 2000). Harris confirmed that incest child moles-
ters display lower rates of recidivism than extrafamilial child molesters (Harris &
Hanson, 2004).
Perhaps the most critical factor in determination of recidivism rate is the
motivation behind the crime. Under this categorization, two independent risk
factors that greatly influence sexual recidivism are perverse sexual fantasies
(paraphilic motivations) and antisocial orientation (nonparaphilc motivations)
(Hanson & Bussiere, 1998; Stone et al., 2000). Paraphilics are at risk for
recidivism because of their sexual preference “combined with compulsive
fantasies and urges to engage in this illegal conduct”
(Hanson & Bussiere,
1998). In general, the greater the paraphilic interest the higher the chance of
reoffense (Barbaree et al., 2006; Blanchard & Barbaree, 2005; Hanson &
Morton-Bourgon, 2005; Maletzky & Steinhauser, 2002; Olver & Wong, 2006;
Scott & Gerbasi, 2003; Seto et al., 2004). Data from Hanson and Morton-
Bourgon show that most child molesters and rapists are not paraphilics, but
rather antisocials or nonparaphilics (Hanson & Morton-Bourgon, 2005)
 

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Of course it is, but the difference is you're trying to make p***philia a feature of homosexuality. Despite the actual numbers presented. Weird especially considering the history of child brides and current straight male obsession with youth tbh.
You know that is not true. Sadly I have known a few incest survivors over the years, they have all been women and they were all abused by MALE relatives.
People want to pretend that is only homosexuals/ perverts who do it because the truth is too uncomfortable to face.
However statistically the LGBT+ are over-represented when comparing percentages.
 

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Because of copyright issues + I can only cut-and-paste a section from the journal:
International Perspectives on the Assessment and Treatment of Sexual Offenders (Theory, Practice, and Research) || American Sexual Offender Castration Treatment and Legislation [2011]
Boer, Douglas P., Eher, Reinhard, Craig, Leam A., Miner, Michael H., Pfäfflin, Friedemann


Another key factor in determining an offender’s risk for recidivism is the type
of victim pursued. Consequently, sex offenders are often grouped and defined
based on their victims. Specific types of sexual offenders, namely homosexual
pedophiles and nonrelated pedophiles have the highest rate of reoffending

(Barbaree, Langton, & Peacock, 2006; Stone, Winslade, & Klugman, 2000).
Several studies have reported that bisexual and homosexual pedophiles have
higher rates of reoffending compared to their heterosexual counterparts, as
opposed to incest pedophiles who are the least likely to reoffend
(Bartosh,
Garby, Lewis, & Gray, 2003; Beier, 1998;Maletzky & Steinhauser, 2002; Seto,
Harris, Rice, & Barbaree, 2004). Positive predictors of recidivism in the
homosexual and bisexual pedophilic populations were: (1) those offenders
that were “exclusive pedophiles,” (2) above or of average intelligence, (3)
offenders were middle-aged at time of first offense, (4) abused peripubescent
children, (5) offender history of early sexual experiences, and (6) diagnosis of a
personality disorder (Beier, 1998; Hall, 2007). Heterosexual pedophiles had
different predictors of recidivism. This population was most likely to reoffend if
(1) they had a poor support system, (2) they had their first sexual experience
before 19 years of age, (3) they were middle-aged or older at the time of the first
offense, and (4) if they had abused children unknown to them (Beier, 1998).
It should be pointed out that the average age of first sexual intercourse
has decreased over the years to 16 (as of 2008) making the Beier’s second
predictor of recidivism for heterosexual pedophiles unlikely to hold in today’s
social climate.
When evaluating child molesters, the target victim (intrafamilial vs. extra-
familial) has a profound impact on recidivism rates. In two studies looking at the
recidivism rates of subgroups of child molesters, intrafamilial offenders had the
lowest rates of sexual recidivism, violent recidivism, or any type of offending (6%,
12%, 27% respectively) compared to extrafamilial child molesters (15%, 20%, 42%
respectively) (Firestone et al., 2000). Harris confirmed that incest child moles-
ters display lower rates of recidivism than extrafamilial child molesters (Harris &
Hanson, 2004).
Perhaps the most critical factor in determination of recidivism rate is the
motivation behind the crime. Under this categorization, two independent risk
factors that greatly influence sexual recidivism are perverse sexual fantasies
(paraphilic motivations) and antisocial orientation (nonparaphilc motivations)
(Hanson & Bussiere, 1998; Stone et al., 2000). Paraphilics are at risk for
recidivism because of their sexual preference “combined with compulsive
fantasies and urges to engage in this illegal conduct”
(Hanson & Bussiere,
1998). In general, the greater the paraphilic interest the higher the chance of
reoffense (Barbaree et al., 2006; Blanchard & Barbaree, 2005; Hanson &
Morton-Bourgon, 2005; Maletzky & Steinhauser, 2002; Olver & Wong, 2006;
Scott & Gerbasi, 2003; Seto et al., 2004). Data from Hanson and Morton-
Bourgon show that most child molesters and rapists are not paraphilics, but
rather antisocials or nonparaphilics (Hanson & Morton-Bourgon, 2005)
OK, ignoring the fact that the source data is still over a decade old - you do realize that this article isn't saying gay men are more likely to be pedophiles right? It says they're more likely to reoffend. This is within the pedo demographic itself.
You know that is not true. Sadly I have known a few incest survivors over the years, they have all been women and they were all abused by MALE relatives.
People want to pretend that is only homosexuals/ perverts who do it because the truth is too uncomfortable to face.
However statistically the LGBT+ are over-represented when comparing percentages.
That isn't what the article you linked says though. You'll have to find another to substantiate that point.
 

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My weirdo nephew who pretends he's an ugly female Klingon finally got the axe AGAIN!!!!! LoL this moron just can't learn.

His latest firing (he claims) was because his job had the AUDACITY to ask him to WORK at his JOB instead of playing pretend Barbie.

What a moron. Just like all of the clowns playing pretend because they won't GROW UP.
 
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Please all gay people go back in your closets. And what is up with the term Gay Pride anyway? Obviously you are shameless. But now you are also proud of being shameless? MSM is always pushing Gay Pride that alone is reason enough for me to be suspicious about it and ultimately against it. Because we must never forget MSM rule of thumb : Anything MSM is pushing is evil and unhealthy and satanic.
 
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