The Handmaid's Tale

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Has anyone seen the TV, Movie, or read a book called the Handmaid's Tale. We are now on summer break in my house and I have been watching way too much TV today because of it. They just started a TV series on Hulu, but I guess there was a book and a movie before this.

Oh my gosh weird. First, they make it illegal for women to have jobs, or bank accounts at first. Then, society regresses into this super weird cultic world. It said briefly in one of the episodes that after the martial law implementation taking women's rights, only two states remained of the original fifty. I will stop there so I don't spoil it, but it is an older book that I had never heard of that has all the makings of every conspiracy theory we discuss on this board. It might be interesting for some of you.
 

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Has anyone seen the TV, Movie, or read a book called the Handmaid's Tale. We are now on summer break in my house and I have been watching way too much TV today because of it. They just started a TV series on Hulu, but I guess there was a book and a movie before this.

Oh my gosh weird. First, they make it illegal for women to have jobs, or bank accounts at first. Then, society regresses into this super weird cultic world. It said briefly in one of the episodes that after the martial law implementation taking women's rights, only two states remained of the original fifty. I will stop there so I don't spoil it, but it is an older book that I had never heard of that has all the makings of every conspiracy theory we discuss on this board. It might be interesting for some of you.
Saw some pics of it via Daily Mail... sick crap. Porno TV these days. Trash.
 

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You're right that TV is oversexualized. However, what I meant was that there are things in this show that come from a book that has been around for a while that are strange. So the original book was written in 1985 and there is a character in it called an eye. So the eye is the name of a security position. In the house where the main character lives, the "eye" is the driver of the elite man who was part of the original plan to seize the US. Another member of this group he was in that would discuss how they were going to take over the US hires this guy to spy on another member of his group, and the name of his job is "eye." Just strange to me.
 

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For whatever reason Hulu struggles to stream for me or I would watch it. I had signed up for a free month being out of work while healing. It is getting good reviews. I did read the book but my retention is sketchy at best.
 

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For whatever reason Hulu struggles to stream for me or I would watch it. I had signed up for a free month being out of work while healing. It is getting good reviews. I did read the book but my retention is sketchy at best.
That's a bummer. I can definitely see you seeing what I'm seeing about this show. It overwhelms me how many connections to the conspiracy world come up while watching this show. It just blurs the lines between the subject of conspiracy theory and fiction. Like does fiction come from conspiracy theories or do conspiracy theories come from fiction. I would be interested in hearing your thoughts when you are able to watch the show.
 

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It overwhelms me how many connections to the conspiracy world come up while watching this show. It just blurs the lines between the subject of conspiracy theory and fiction. Like does fiction come from conspiracy theories or do conspiracy theories come from fiction.
Never read the book nor watched the series.
This is totally wierd. I read up on the plot at wikipedia and its creepy. All i can see is a combination of: Revelation 13:11-18 (a theocracy), the plots of tv series 'Designated Survivor' & Revolution, and Ray Bradbury's book Fahrenheight 451 (books outlawed) and ofcourse, the panopticon.

Life imitates art more than art imitates life- Oscar Wilde
 

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Never read the book nor watched the series.
This is totally wierd. I read up on the plot at wikipedia and its creepy. All i can see is a combination of: Revelation 13:11-18 (a theocracy), the plots of tv series 'Designated Survivor' & Revolution, and Ray Bradbury's book Fahrenheight 451 (books outlawed) and ofcourse, the panopticon.

Life imitates art more than art imitates life- Oscar Wilde
Yah it reminded me of revelation 13 as well because of how they show control of buying and selling. They have the handmaids do the grocery shopping and they pay with tokens that are specific to the food items. Like they have an orange token rather than a dollar to buy an orange or a banana. Just total control of buying and selling.

Then, this one part reminded me of mk ultra when the other handmaid who is the partner of the main character tells her how they are taught not to trust each other. They make them go in pairs so that one can spy on the other so the girls are trapped and become partial enemies partial friends, or double minded and ensnared by their own feelings of guilt and complicity in their oppression. I just don't believe that these ideas are spontaneous or organic completely. How could they be? However, I wonder whether people involved in these things ever anticipated that the internet would be used to spread this sort of information. Maybe, they expected that it wouldn't when stories like this were being written, which is interesting to think about. What could the world be like right now if new technologies hadn't shed light on so many hidden things. God is so good. It reminds me that we have nothing to fear even when we can see prophecy being fulfilled.
 

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Neither do i think its organic. Think about it, its only the elite that would benefit from it. Besides, how can a no-body-Margaret, Aldous Huxley and the rest of the elites all be on the same page. Either she caught wind of a leaked sinister plot and wrote about it or she is/was in on the game.

But there is a downside to the internet spreading this kind of information. I believe that, in 20+ years, people willnot care much about conspiracies, especially, those exposed to them at a very young age. Dissemination also leads to disensitization. With mainstream media aiding the dissemination through mockery, the 'forbidden charm' they once held melts a
away.

Also, the internet itself, was designed with control in mind. Or as a tool to control.

"We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. ~Edward Bernays
 

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I actually enjoyed the movie with Robert Duvall. It was labeled as Christian bashing at the time, but if you look at it close the group that took over were not Christians - they were secret society types - they even had a pyramid as their symbol.
 

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That's a bummer. I can definitely see you seeing what I'm seeing about this show. It overwhelms me how many connections to the conspiracy world come up while watching this show. It just blurs the lines between the subject of conspiracy theory and fiction. Like does fiction come from conspiracy theories or do conspiracy theories come from fiction. I would be interested in hearing your thoughts when you are able to watch the show.
I am through episode 3 and have a few thoughts. While I see the what could be aspect to it, there does seem to be a flipped scenario where it looked like what would be termed the left were the ones getting the short end. I suppose population control could cause women to become infertile as well. It does give one an idea of what Martial Law would look like thus far. They make the bad guys look conservative but they tore down churches and killed priests, so I guess it is some kind of twisted religion which may be revealed as I get further.
 

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So because the season ended and I had to see how the story ended, I started reading the book the other day. I was also skeptical of how accurately the book was being portrayed in the series. I don't know if anyone has read Ender's Game, but the book is very different than the movie. One big difference is that Ender is six years old in the book and is frequently described as sleeping naked on several occasions in a way that is very creepy. Not hard to wonder why they didn't include that in the movie.

Anyways, the book is different in some way that confuse me. For one, the commander's wife is a famous singer named Serena Joy in the book. She is like a Beyonce type. In the show, she is somewhat unknown, aspiring book author who works with the commander to write the new law of Gilead. I can't understand why this was changed outside of the show having a modern feminist agenda. It reminds me of the comments that conservative woman are getting about internalizing misogyny. This and the possibility that they are deflecting the possibility that people with power would do something like this. In the show, they are wealthy people, but they are unknown wealthy people. In the book, the commander's wife is a celebrity.

The second thing that the show leaves out that is included in the book is that there is a war taking place in other parts of the country. The book says that war taking place in California is why there aren't many oranges. This is not why oranges are special in the show. The book really seems much more like a war against the elite than the show does.

Another thing that is different is that the main character repeatedly remembers her mother when she is having flashbacks. This would be hard to integrate into the story because the setting is changed from the 80's to present day and the character of her mother is set in the time period of the women's movement of the 70's. So, this would have been hard to integrate. The mother was a strong feminist who was criticized for having a child in her 30's by other feminists of the time who believed that she was sacrificing her freedom for the more traditional role of a mother. This is interesting to me because it is hard to tell so far whether the author is for or against the women's movement herself.

I think the conclusion is subject to the reader's perspective on the women's movement. It is easy to see that someone who supported the movement would be in favor of the theory that the author was clearly showing what a horrible thing it would be to lose rights for women. Clearly, this is what the show is trying to indicate with the recent events and propaganda about how Trump is going to undo these rights by his very presence in the White House.

However, it is also possible to see that this world is actually the fantasy of the author when reading the book. Maybe even that she sees herself as one of the commander's wives by some of the things she suggests.

For instance, on page 117 she says that Aunt Lydia shows the girl's very graphic snuff films. This is supposed to indoctrinate them that this is the way women were treated before they were rescued by this new order.

On page 105, the main character says, "I believe in thought transference now, vibrations in the ether, that sort of junk. I never used to."

In the time this was written, this would mean nothing. This would mean fiction. Today, this means that it is possible that this book is actually the fantasy of the author rather than the warning of a regression of rights for women, in my opinion.
 

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I forgot the most interesting quote of the book. "You can see the place under the lily where the lettering was painted out, when they decided that even the names of shops were too much temptation for us. Now places are known for their signs alone. " page 25.

Talk about dumbing down the society, which resulted in only using a picture of an item to identify what the store sold. The butcher shop has a picture of meat outside of it. Maybe that is what all the symbols are for. Maybe it is about making it unnecessary to know how to read. Very bizarre to consider.
 

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I take that back. New most interesting quote of book on page 174.

"It was after the catastrophe, when they shot the president and machine-gunned the Congress and the army declared a state of emergency. They blamed it on the Islamic fanatics, at the time."

This was written in 1985. According to the Wiki list of terrorist attacks there were a total of 244 deaths in the 1970's compared with 657 in the 1980's, which jumps to 1049 for the 1990's and then begins being tracked per year because the numbers continue to increase. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks

Basically, what I am suggesting is that in 1985, there was no reason to suppose that Islam would be the scapegoat that would be used to overthrow the US.

According to the book, this initiates a martial law period where the public is told to behave as normal until a new president can be elected and everything is restored. Instead of this happening, women have the right to work or have a bank account removed simultaneously. The friend of the main character points out that this is to make it so people can't try to leave. It is strategic to trapping them.

The show doesn't include this somewhat prophetic piece. It jumps straight to the part where women are having the right to work or have a bank account removed. In the show this seems to come out of no where. The friend of the main character says that people should have expected this because the Patriot Act had been in effect for so long. She also says the same thing about how the right to work and have a bank account were removed at once to keep people from leaving.

I can understand how the show would change this because it would create a different sort of controversy considering the state of politics at the present time, but at the same time, why create the show at all. Clearly, something like this suggests we should be doing something else with our time besides watching TV or making TV shows. How on earth is something like that coincidental? I just don't see how that is possible.
 
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I read the book once about 4-5 years ago after a coworker recommended the hulu series but i didnt have hulu. I thought it was mediocre as far as style, story was interesting enough. The passages about the narrator/main character rubbing butter on herself because she missed the feeling of lotion got on my nerves lol.

It's annoying how some leftists will equate women choosing to have biological children (or not being allowed to kill them) as them being handmaids, when in the book the women were literally sex slaves who were passed around to different powerful/elite type men, there was no consent involved, and the men's infertile wives were present during the act. Completely different situation. Also, bearing children gave them some sort of "privilege", as if they were found to be infertile they were sent to the labor camps or salt mines or something if i remember correctly.

I did think it was interesting as a commentary on how infertility is often blamed on the woman. I remember something about a handmaid having a certain number of tries with different men to produce a child but sometimes it was the men who were infertile and the drs would be the ones who were fathering the children, unbeknownst to the powerful men.
 
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