...the law isnt the answer to the worldliness and sin of today's wayward state of Christianity

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...the law isnt the answer to the worldliness and sin of today's wayward state of Christianity

There are many that insinuate that the law is the answer to the wordiness and sin of today's wayward state of Christianity. It is not the answer. The truth is that most professing Christians have never actually been born again. They don't need the law, because the law cannot deliver them or save them from the power of sin and their carnal desires. Only Jesus Christ and the holy spirit of God can... You can keep throwing laws at someone, yet if their heart still lusts after these things they have not changed and their heart is still filled with sin and imagining sin. They need to be regenerated by the holy spirit. These people who claim to be Christian dont need the law. They need to be pointed to Jesus and hear the real gospel. They need to get born again and filled with the holy spirit. Anyone who points them back to the law or tries to put them under the law does not know the gospel of Jesus Christ. I used to be an alcoholic and a porn viewer. I used to love worldly entertainment. Did the law save me or heal me or deliver me from these things and desiring these things? No, the holy spirit did! The law cannot save you. It cant heal you. It can only give you rules to follow. God and the holy spirit changes a human heart and deals with the root of these problems. The holy spirit performs internal regeneration where the law institutes external regulation. The law is a schoolmaster, or form of damage control and band aid to a deeper problem. The problem of sin and mans inherit predisposition toward sin, his very nature that is a slave to sin. Before I came to Christ I loved the world and my sin. It was only when I gave my life to Christ and came to him in repentance and faith knowing that he and he alone could save me was when I began to notice profound changes take place within my inner man. I began to find the same sin I once loved grievous and repulsive. I started to lose interest in such things. It was only in God and the things of God that I soon would find interest in. I didnt know it at first, but God was doing a work in my heart and changing me through the process of sanctification and regeneration. It wasnt until some time after this process that I began to fully grasp what it meant to become born again. It deals with the default predisposition of the heart toward sin and God... This is why it is folly and grave error to point professing Christians back to the law as a means to remedy the sin in their life when such Christians have never even heard the real gospel or been born again to begin with. The truth is that most who claim to be Christian are not saved and have never been born again, they don't have the holy spirit, because we grew up in a society where its a cultural norm to associate with said belief since infancy without there ever being an actual point and time of real conversion following a real presentation of the true gospel. The law cant save these people or even deliver them from sin. It can only point out there guilt before God to demonstrate their absolute need for Christ. It is a demonstration of the standard in which God will judge them on judgment day. Its entire purpose is to show man their lack of righteousness and their ultimate need for the perfect righteousness of Christ which is the only standard for being in right standing with God.
 

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2Cor 3:3 [Forasmuch as ye are] manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
2Cor 3:4 And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:
2Cor 3:5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency [is] of God;
2Cor 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
2Cor 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written [and] engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which [glory] was to be done away:
2Cor 3:8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
2Cor 3:9 For if the ministration of condemnation [be] glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
2Cor 3:10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
2Cor 3:11 For if that which is done away [was] glorious, much more that which remaineth [is] glorious.
2Cor 3:12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
2Cor 3:13 And not as Moses, [which] put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
 

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Heb 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need [was there] that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Heb 7:13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
Heb 7:14 For [it is] evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
Heb 7:15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
Heb 7:16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
Heb 7:17 For he testifieth, Thou [art] a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
Heb 7:18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
Heb 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope [did]; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
 

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Gal 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
Gal 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Gal 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
Gal 3:4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if [it be] yet in vain.
Gal 3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, [doeth he it] by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
 

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Rom 8:1 [There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
 

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Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, [even] to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
Rom 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not [in] the oldness of the letter.
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? [Is] the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom 7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin [was] dead.
Rom 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
Rom 7:10 And the commandment, which [was ordained] to life, I found [to be] unto death.
Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew [me].
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law [is] holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that [it is] good.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but [how] to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

The law condemned Paul by his very thoughts and predisposition of heart. He broke the law just in his thoughts alone. The law is good, and holy, and spiritual, but to sinful man it is his condemnation.

Rom 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, [there is] no transgression.
 
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Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Gal 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, [is] therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
Gal 2:18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.


...meaning that anywhere the law is given authority and power it is essentially building a criminal record. The criminal record becomes more vast the longer one lives. In giving the law power your sin becomes imputed and you can only become a bigger transgressor.
 

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Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all.
Jas 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

You either keep the law perfectly, or you are a lawbreaker as one sin is a violation of every law, but there is no in between.
 

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Rom 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if [there be] any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love [is] the fulfilling of the law.
 

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Gal 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
Gal 5:2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
Gal 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Gal 5:5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
Gal 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
Gal 5:7 Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?
Gal 5:8 This persuasion [cometh] not of him that calleth you.
Gal 5:9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
Gal 5:10 I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded: but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be.
Gal 5:11 And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.
Gal 5:12 I would they were even cut off which trouble you.
Gal 5:13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only [use] not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, [even] in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Gal 5:15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
Gal 5:16 [This] I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
 

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Heb 8:7 For if that first [covenant] had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10 For this [is] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new [covenant], he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old [is] ready to vanish away.
 

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Gal 6:12 As many as desire to make a fair shew in the flesh, they constrain you to be circumcised; only lest they should suffer persecution for the cross of Christ.
Gal 6:13 For neither they themselves who are circumcised keep the law; but desire to have you circumcised, that they may glory in your flesh.


Phil 3:1 Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things to you, to me indeed [is] not grievous, but for you [it is] safe.
Phil 3:2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.
Phil 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

Phil 3:4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:
Phil 3:5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, [of] the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
Phil 3:6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
Phil 3:7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
Phil 3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things [but] loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them [but] dung, that I may win Christ,
Phil 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
 

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Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all.


Gal 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

Rom 2:25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.
 

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1John 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1John 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
 

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Galatians 5:13-25
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13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
 

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Jesus and only Jesus is the answer to sin.

What the law does is point out sin. We are told that sin is the transgression of the law. We become conscious of sin. It helps us realise that we are condemned and are facing the penalty of eternal death if we continue breaking it. It shows us our complete helplessness without Christ.

Jesus said, "Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin" (John 8:34). When we break God's law, we have no liberty instead we have guilt and remorse, continual worry, wounding of the conscience etc. Obedience to God's law gives us true freedom. It makes us happy people and gives us peace of mind. Its for our benefit therefore to be obedient. David wrote, "And I will walk at liberty, For I seek Your precepts" (Psalm 119:45).

Sin is a burden and Jesus invites us to come to Him with our burdens of sin. He offers His yoke which is easy (Matthew 11:29-30).

The Bible also tells us we will be judged by the law. If we lie, steal, commit adultery and break the rest of the commandments, and don't repent of our sins genuinely, it a sign we are not saved and the consequences of that will be hell and eternal death.

The law has no power and cannot save anyone but no one can be saved and disobey it either.
 

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Jesus and only Jesus is the answer to sin.

What the law does is point out sin. We are told that sin is the transgression of the law. We become conscious of sin. It helps us realise that we are condemned and are facing the penalty of eternal death if we continue breaking it. It shows us our complete helplessness without Christ.

Jesus said, "Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin" (John 8:34). When we break God's law, we have no liberty instead we have guilt and remorse, continual worry, wounding of the conscience etc. Obedience to God's law gives us true freedom. It makes us happy people and gives us peace of mind. Its for our benefit therefore to be obedient. David wrote, "And I will walk at liberty, For I seek Your precepts" (Psalm 119:45).

Sin is a burden and Jesus invites us to come to Him with our burdens of sin. He offers His yoke which is easy (Matthew 11:29-30).

The Bible also tells us we will be judged by the law. If we lie, steal, commit adultery and break the rest of the commandments, and don't repent of our sins genuinely, it a sign we are not saved and the consequences of that will be hell and eternal death.

The law has no power and cannot save anyone but no one can be saved and disobey it either.
You said that obediance to Gods law gives us freedom, but its acctually the spirit of God that gives us true freedom and liberty over sin. I think its very important for you to understand the legality and holiness of the law. If you measure yourself under the light of the perfection and holiness of the law(even in your best efforts) you are still a massive sinner and stand condemned. The law cannot paint you in a favorable light at all. Paul pointed out that one covetous thought had condemned him. That is how perfect and holy Gods law is. Where the law is in effect there is only record and imputation of sin. I promise you good sir that the law cannot paint you favorably before God even in your best efforts to keep it. You go to God with honest intent to keep it and he points out where you fell short and turns your righteousness to unrighteousness.
 

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You said that obediance to Gods law gives us freedom, but its acctually the spirit of God that gives us true freedom and liberty over sin.
Can you show me where the Bible says that? I need you to show me actual evidence from the Bible. And I said, "When we break God's law, we have no liberty instead we have guilt and remorse, continual worry, wounding of the conscience etc." Sinning causes unhappiness I'm sure you'll agree. So when we don;t lie steal , give false evidence against our neighbour etc, we don't harbour feelings of guilt, hate etc in our hearts do we?
I think its very important for you to understand the legality and holiness of the law. If you measure yourself under the light of the perfection and holiness of the law(even in your best efforts) you are still a massive sinner and stand condemned.
How can one stand condemned when they have been saved, when they've repented their sins. Do you remember what Jesus said to the woman who was accused of adultery? He forgave her and told her, "Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more” (John 8:12). This is one the reason Jesus sacrificed His life in our stead and paid the penalty for our sins. So we are not condemned.

The law cannot paint you in a favorable light at all.
No, nor have I suggested it does. Jesus is the one who paints us in a favourable light and its because He has saved us through His grace and we have accepted His gift of salvation that we obey His law. We obey because we are saved and love our God.

Paul pointed out that one covetous thought had condemned him. That is how perfect and holy Gods law is. Where the law is in effect there is only record and imputation of sin.
You misunderstood Paul and you make him contradict himself too. Paul cannot say we should obey the law (which he does) and in another part say what you're implying he said. Everything Paul wrote harmonises with the entire Bible.

I promise you good sir that the law cannot paint you favorably before God even in your best efforts to keep it. You go to God with honest intent to keep it and he points out where you fell short and turns your righteousness to unrighteousness.
I never said the the law paints me favourably before God, how can it? Nor does obeying the law do too. We are saved by grace and nothing we do can ever help in our salvation. Salvation is free, but we have to demonstrate our faith and sincerity through our works. This means living sanctified lives on a daily basis consistently reflecting the character of Christ through our words and actions. That is the saving grace of Christ working in us.

You seem very confused on this topic (judging from the things you've posted on it). When God turns our righteousness to unrighteousness that means we have accepted Christ and His will. We have decided to do everything He asks of us just like He did everything that His Father asked of Him. That's why He said, John 15:10, "If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love."
 
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