kerrichinchilla
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ok im seeing so many confuse (purposely or not) what feminism is and the different types because so many are wither confused, refuse to acknowledge, misinterpret and misinform about feminism.
Ill even give the good and bad because ive done a masters history with a module on feminist history, so ive got a good understanding of the history, from a good university not a gender studies, woke university but one that taught the good and bad and encouraged debate.
The basic tenets of feminism is
Feminism: Belief in and desire for equality between the sexes. The belief that men and women should have equal rights and opportunities." It encompasses social, political and economic equality.
However feminism is an umbrella term for different groups that have splintered off, disagree and yes waves.
the waves of feminism are
First wave or suffrage - the main aim was to give women the vote, however it also encompassed education, the right to practice as doctors ( women were banned), and to a lesser extent black women's rights, including Indian feminists fighting for Indias independence from Britain.
Pros - obviously more freedoms for women such as the vote, legal rights, and the right to own homes, land, and practice as doctors.
Cons - It was prominently a middle class endeavour, there was no enthesis on working class women, and black women were often ignored or outright chased out of suffrage groups as many suffragettes believed in eugenics and the superiority of white women. also the suffragettes also used excessive and violent manners to gain the vote ( not to be confused with the suffragists who did not use violent methods). some cases of suffragettes shaming men for not going to war in WW1
Second wave - came about post WW2. WW2 saw people looking nostalgically to the pre world war era, in the late 19th, early 20th century. In the 1950s people adopted the Victorian ideal of the middle class house wife. This led to a resurgence of feminism in the late 1950s early 1960s. Many girls who had witnessed depressed unfulfilled mothered looked for independence through careers, art music, entertainment ect. plus the introduction of the pill gave women more freedom.
This wave focused on workers rights, especially women's rights in the work place which were non-existent, while also focusing on an industry which was using women's bodies for entertainment ( beauty pageants, advertising, film).
Its worth noting women never did burn bras that is a myth, some women did try and get a permit to burn aprons as a form of protest but were denied so it never happened.
Its also worth noting first wave feminists did not like second wave feminism because they felt it was to loose
Pros - more worker rights not just for women but for men, the introduction of maternity leave, health and safety laws ect. Women had more freedom to earn money. The had more freedoms to enjoy relations, were not condemned to breed or to rely on husbands.
cons - again a working class movement, did not focus on working class women or black women who were both groups that already worked,often in low paid jobs. Focused on forcing women into being anti-beauty which led to anti-choices for women, including women being condemned for choosing housewifery. Started to drift into man hating territory, instead of equality.
womanism - not technically a wave but worth noting, it was created by black women who were fed up with being ignored or not being included in the second wave of feminism. tends to go along with the black panther movement, however even the black panthers and womanism movement clashed due to the black panthers sexist tendencies
Third wave - this is the most confused or misrepresented and is probably the most controversial.
Third wave feminism is known for its emphasis on intersectionality. the term was introduced by Kimberlé Williams Crenshaw in 1989, to explain how people experience multiple layers of prejudice due to a number of reasons, such as race, sex, disabilities, sexual orientation. for example a person who is a black disabled woman will experience prejudice for being black, female and disabled, while an able bodied white woman would only experience sexism. This form of feminism is the most controversial due to its push against what third wavers term as white feminism ( second wave).
It also focuses on body positivity, such as women enjoying sex, and a focus on being the same as men.
End of Genders, with a focus on androgynous looks.
Pros - led to women gaining the right to own their own bank accounts, loans and mortgages without their husbands or fathers permission, also led to the end of marital r*pe being legal
Cons - intersectionality led to many women feeling alienated from feminism, many women did not feel welcome or happy with the movement. The focus on women being the same as men also alienated many women from the movement. girl power, ladette culture ect put many off feminism
Fourth wave - Fourth wave is reality new, first coming into the fold around 2016. Fourth wave is probably more controversial than third wave and is often confused with third wave due to its infancy. in fact it has split into two factions.
1 - liberal feminism - an extension of intersectionality, leading to trans women being included into feminism. Focus on seeing sex work as good and healthy, enthesis on sexuality, LGBT and trans rights. tends to ignore traditional or women's rights due to the obsession with trans issues. More like a fundamental religious movement
2 - radical feminism - takes there ideals from second wave. believes trans women are not welcome and is fighting to stop the inclusion of LGBT rights being confused with women's rights. spends exorbitant amounts of time on fighting trans ideology and inclusion. fights sex work seeing it as exploitation. believes women should be able to chose their destiny eg housewife, childfree, career or a mix
pros - to early to determine
cons - to much infighting. libfems - focus to much on trans rights, also the emphasis pushing sexual deviancy. has become a gay rights movement. radfems - lots of in fighting, some times zealous.
misandry - worth noting as some feminist groups are anti male, and isolationist, but not all feel this way and this is a misrepresentation
hopefully this helps some people gather an idea on what feminism is
Ill even give the good and bad because ive done a masters history with a module on feminist history, so ive got a good understanding of the history, from a good university not a gender studies, woke university but one that taught the good and bad and encouraged debate.
The basic tenets of feminism is
Feminism: Belief in and desire for equality between the sexes. The belief that men and women should have equal rights and opportunities." It encompasses social, political and economic equality.
However feminism is an umbrella term for different groups that have splintered off, disagree and yes waves.
the waves of feminism are
First wave or suffrage - the main aim was to give women the vote, however it also encompassed education, the right to practice as doctors ( women were banned), and to a lesser extent black women's rights, including Indian feminists fighting for Indias independence from Britain.
Pros - obviously more freedoms for women such as the vote, legal rights, and the right to own homes, land, and practice as doctors.
Cons - It was prominently a middle class endeavour, there was no enthesis on working class women, and black women were often ignored or outright chased out of suffrage groups as many suffragettes believed in eugenics and the superiority of white women. also the suffragettes also used excessive and violent manners to gain the vote ( not to be confused with the suffragists who did not use violent methods). some cases of suffragettes shaming men for not going to war in WW1
Second wave - came about post WW2. WW2 saw people looking nostalgically to the pre world war era, in the late 19th, early 20th century. In the 1950s people adopted the Victorian ideal of the middle class house wife. This led to a resurgence of feminism in the late 1950s early 1960s. Many girls who had witnessed depressed unfulfilled mothered looked for independence through careers, art music, entertainment ect. plus the introduction of the pill gave women more freedom.
This wave focused on workers rights, especially women's rights in the work place which were non-existent, while also focusing on an industry which was using women's bodies for entertainment ( beauty pageants, advertising, film).
Its worth noting women never did burn bras that is a myth, some women did try and get a permit to burn aprons as a form of protest but were denied so it never happened.
Its also worth noting first wave feminists did not like second wave feminism because they felt it was to loose
Pros - more worker rights not just for women but for men, the introduction of maternity leave, health and safety laws ect. Women had more freedom to earn money. The had more freedoms to enjoy relations, were not condemned to breed or to rely on husbands.
cons - again a working class movement, did not focus on working class women or black women who were both groups that already worked,often in low paid jobs. Focused on forcing women into being anti-beauty which led to anti-choices for women, including women being condemned for choosing housewifery. Started to drift into man hating territory, instead of equality.
womanism - not technically a wave but worth noting, it was created by black women who were fed up with being ignored or not being included in the second wave of feminism. tends to go along with the black panther movement, however even the black panthers and womanism movement clashed due to the black panthers sexist tendencies
Third wave - this is the most confused or misrepresented and is probably the most controversial.
Third wave feminism is known for its emphasis on intersectionality. the term was introduced by Kimberlé Williams Crenshaw in 1989, to explain how people experience multiple layers of prejudice due to a number of reasons, such as race, sex, disabilities, sexual orientation. for example a person who is a black disabled woman will experience prejudice for being black, female and disabled, while an able bodied white woman would only experience sexism. This form of feminism is the most controversial due to its push against what third wavers term as white feminism ( second wave).
It also focuses on body positivity, such as women enjoying sex, and a focus on being the same as men.
End of Genders, with a focus on androgynous looks.
Pros - led to women gaining the right to own their own bank accounts, loans and mortgages without their husbands or fathers permission, also led to the end of marital r*pe being legal
Cons - intersectionality led to many women feeling alienated from feminism, many women did not feel welcome or happy with the movement. The focus on women being the same as men also alienated many women from the movement. girl power, ladette culture ect put many off feminism
Fourth wave - Fourth wave is reality new, first coming into the fold around 2016. Fourth wave is probably more controversial than third wave and is often confused with third wave due to its infancy. in fact it has split into two factions.
1 - liberal feminism - an extension of intersectionality, leading to trans women being included into feminism. Focus on seeing sex work as good and healthy, enthesis on sexuality, LGBT and trans rights. tends to ignore traditional or women's rights due to the obsession with trans issues. More like a fundamental religious movement
2 - radical feminism - takes there ideals from second wave. believes trans women are not welcome and is fighting to stop the inclusion of LGBT rights being confused with women's rights. spends exorbitant amounts of time on fighting trans ideology and inclusion. fights sex work seeing it as exploitation. believes women should be able to chose their destiny eg housewife, childfree, career or a mix
pros - to early to determine
cons - to much infighting. libfems - focus to much on trans rights, also the emphasis pushing sexual deviancy. has become a gay rights movement. radfems - lots of in fighting, some times zealous.
misandry - worth noting as some feminist groups are anti male, and isolationist, but not all feel this way and this is a misrepresentation
hopefully this helps some people gather an idea on what feminism is