The original diet of mankind and the Old Testament Dietary Laws, do they still apply?

[Red Sky at Morning]

Romans 14

The Law of Liberty

1Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things. 2For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables. 3Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him. 4Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.

5One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. 7For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself. 8For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. 9For to this end Christ died and rose and lived again, that He might be Lord of both the dead and the living. 10But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. 11For it is written:

“As I live, says the Lord,
Every knee shall bow to Me,
And every tongue shall confess to God.”

12So then each of us shall give account of himself to God. 13Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather resolve this, not to put a stumbling block or a cause to fall in our brother’s way.

 

[A Freeman]

Keeping the Law won’t save you - you MUST be born again. If you are, you will want to keep God’s commandments. The Holy Spirit has never convicted me about eating a sausage though.

Anyone who isn't keeping The Law has NOT been born again as their true, spiritual self. You (the real you, the spirit-Being/Soul inside the human body you see in the mirror) do NOT eat, nor do you require physical food of any kind.

It is the human body that needs food. And it is supposed to be under complete subjection to the spirit-Being inside of it, rather than deciding for itself what filthy thing it will stuff in its mouth next. The Holy Spirit has told you on many occasions NOT to allow your body to eat pork/swine sausages, as it is doing again right now, through what is being shared in this thread about keeping the perfect healthy diet God gave us, in His Law (see Lev. 11, Deut. 14). It seems as if that message has thus far fell on deaf (spiritual) ears.

 

[A Freeman]

Romans 14

The Law of Liberty

1Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things. 2For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables. 3Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him. 4Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.

5One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. 7For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself. 8For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. 9For to this end Christ died and rose and lived again, that He might be Lord of both the dead and the living. 10But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. 11For it is written:

“As I live, says the Lord,
Every knee shall bow to Me,
And every tongue shall confess to God.”

12So then each of us shall give account of himself to God. 13Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather resolve this, not to put a stumbling block or a cause to fall in our brother’s way.

The same man who shared the above also shared in the very same letter to the Romans that he kept The Law, that The Law is Holy, Just and Good, that he was establishing The Law wherever he went and that ONLY those who keep The Law shall be justified.

Romans 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind (Being) I myself serve The Law of God; but with the flesh (human) the law of sin.

Romans 7:12 Wherefore The Law [is] holy, and the Commandment holy, and just, and good.

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void The Law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish The Law.

Romans 2:13 (For not the hearers of The Law [are] just before God, but the DOERS of The Law (The Torah) shall be justified.

It is by The Law that every man will be judged, exactly as we've been warned for thousands of years. It should therefore be self-evident that those who are trying to con others into not keeping The Law are the ones who are judging by their own standard/rules/legislation/"traditions" rather than God's (Matt. 15:3, 6) and thus placing the stumbling block in their brother's way, to cause him to fall AWAY from God.

The ONLY thing that can cause someone to fall is SIN. And sin is breaking The Law (1 John 3:4).

God Bless.

P.S. Concerning the TRUE Law of Liberty (God's Law):-

James 1:22-25
1:22 But be ye DOERS of the Word, and NOT hearers only, BEING DECEIVED BY YOUR OWN "SELVES".
1:23 For if any be a hearer of the Word, and NOT a DOER, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass (mirror):
1:24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was ("Self" deception).
1:25 But whoso looketh into the Perfect Law of Liberty (the true mirror), and continueth [therein], he being not a forgetful hearer, but a DOER of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

James 2:11-14
2:11 For He that said, Do NOT commit adultery, said also, Do not murder. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou murder, thou art become a transgressor of The Law.
2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the (Royal) Law of Liberty (God's Laws).
2:13 For he shall have Judgment without mercy, that hath showed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.
2:14 What [doth it] profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

 

[Artful Revealer]

Wrong again. It's the main point of the passage, i.e. that the dirt on one's hands will go directly through one's bodily system without incident.

Matthew 15:1-20
15:1 Then came to Jesus lawyers and politicians, which were of Jerusalem, saying,
15:2 Why do thy disciples transgress the Tradition of the Elders? FOR THEY WASH NOT THEIR HANDS WHEN THEY EAT BREAD.
15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the COMMANDment of God by your Tradition?
15:4 For God Commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
15:5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to [his] father or [his] mother, [It is] a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
15:6 And honour not his father or his mother, [he shall be free]. Thus have ye made the Commandment of God of none effect by your Tradition (Talmud).
15:7 [Ye] hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,
15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with [their] lips; but their heart is FAR from me.
15:9 But in vain they do worship Me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men (man-made laws/legislation).
15:10 And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:
15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
15:12 Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the politicians were offended, after they heard this saying?
15:13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath NOT planted, shall be rooted up.
15:14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch (or Pit).
15:15 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Declare unto us this parable.
15:16 And Jesus said, ARE YE ALSO YET WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING?
15:17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
15:18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
15:19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness (lies), blasphemies:
15:20 These are [the things] which defile a man: BUT TO EAT WITH UNWASHEN HANDS DEFILETH NOT A MAN.

Unbelievers calling themselves "Christians" claim this passage gives them the "freedom" to ingest swine flesh, shellfish, scavenger birds and the rest of the animals that God created to be part of the planetary waste management system, which is why He COMMANDED us NOT to eat such filthy creatures, that are unfit for human consumption.

2000 years later, we literally have "mandatory" hand-washing stations set up in front of virtually every store, to ensure those foolish enough to believe in these man-made traditions -- NONE of which are Law -- poison themselves with the chemicals found in these "hand sanitizers", e.g. triclosan and wood grain alcohol. And people STILL don't get it.

Christ plainly stated that He did NOT come to destroy The Law God gave us, which will NEVER go away, and that anyone who taught others differently would be considered lowest of the low, i.e. "the least" in God's Eyes (Matt. 5:17-19). Why then would anyone come along and try to con others into believing Christ didn't really mean what He said, unless they were working for Satan (wittingly or otherwise)?

The reason for sharing with others that the perfect healthy diet found only in God's Law is for everyone on this planet, is NOT to deprive them of anything good; it's to help them avoid all of the diseases associated with the consumption of these filthy animals, like heart disease, strokes (where parasites from swine flesh find their way into the human brain and eats through the walls of a blood vessel), cancer, etc. Why must people invariably learn everything the hard way?

As it says throughout The Law, we are to learn to differentiate between the CLEAN and UNCLEAN, both spiritually and physically.

You (and phipps) are Synagoga.




Ecclesia & Synagoga

The two female figures are usually young and attractive; Ecclesia is generally adorned with a crown, chalice and cross-topped staff, looking confidently forward. In contrast, Synagoga is blindfolded and drooping, carrying a broken lance (possibly an allusion to the Holy Lance that stabbed Christ) and the Tablets of the Law or Torah scrolls that may even be slipping from her hand. The staff and spear may have pennants flying from them. In images of the Crucifixion, Ecclesia may hold a chalice that catches the blood spurting from the side of Christ; she often holds the chalice as an attribute in other contexts. Attributes sometimes carried by Synagoga include a sheep or goat or just its head, signifying Old Testament sacrifice, in contrast to Ecclesia's chalice which represents the Christian Eucharist.

The medieval figures reflect the Christian belief, sometimes called Supersessionism, that Jesus was the Jewish Messiah, and that Judaism as a religion was therefore made unnecessary, by its own tenets, once Christianity was established, and that all Jews should convert. Today opposed by dual-covenant theology, this belief was universal in the medieval church. Synagoga's blindfold reflected the refusal of medieval Jews to "see" this point, which was regarded as stubborn. The Gospel of Matthew (27, 51) related that the Veil of the Temple, covering the entrance to the Holy of Holies, tore at the moment of Christ's death on the cross, which was taken to symbolize the moment of the replacement of Judaism by Christianity as the true religion, hence the presence of the pair in Crucifixion scenes.

The blind covering Synagoga's eyes derived from the letter of Saint Paul at II Corinthians 3:13-16:

We are not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face to prevent the Israelites from seeing the end of what was passing away. 14 But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away. 15 Even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts. 16 But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.

 

[A Freeman]

You (and phipps) are Synagoga.

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Ecclesia & Synagoga

The two female figures are usually young and attractive; Ecclesia is generally adorned with a crown, chalice and cross-topped staff, looking confidently forward. In contrast, Synagoga is blindfolded and drooping, carrying a broken lance (possibly an allusion to the Holy Lance that stabbed Christ) and the Tablets of the Law or Torah scrolls that may even be slipping from her hand. The staff and spear may have pennants flying from them. In images of the Crucifixion, Ecclesia may hold a chalice that catches the blood spurting from the side of Christ; she often holds the chalice as an attribute in other contexts. Attributes sometimes carried by Synagoga include a sheep or goat or just its head, signifying Old Testament sacrifice, in contrast to Ecclesia's chalice which represents the Christian Eucharist.

The medieval figures reflect the Christian belief, sometimes called Supersessionism, that Jesus was the Jewish Messiah, and that Judaism as a religion was therefore made unnecessary, by its own tenets, once Christianity was established, and that all Jews should convert. Today opposed by dual-covenant theology, this belief was universal in the medieval church. Synagoga's blindfold reflected the refusal of medieval Jews to "see" this point, which was regarded as stubborn. The Gospel of Matthew (27, 51) related that the Veil of the Temple, covering the entrance to the Holy of Holies, tore at the moment of Christ's death on the cross, which was taken to symbolize the moment of the replacement of Judaism by Christianity as the true religion, hence the presence of the pair in Crucifixion scenes.

The blind covering Synagoga's eyes derived from the letter of Saint Paul at II Corinthians 3:13-16:

How does any of this satanic idolatry, myth and fabricated folklore have anything to do with Christ's Teachings that The Law will NEVER go away (Matt. 5:18) and that Christ will judge each and every one of us (John 5:22) according to our WORKS (Matt. 16:27) ?

At the Crucifixion the Temple Veil was torn in two, from top to bottom, and totally destroyed -WHY? What was the significance of The Veil, that made it so important, that God needed to destroy it, at The Crucifixion? It had absolutely NOTHING to do with replacing one evil organized religion (Talmudic Judaism, who manipulated the Romans into murdering Jesus) with another ("Christianity", supposedly started by the very people who crucified Jesus).

For the answer we have to go back in time 2000 years, to around 2000 B.C., to the time of Abraham and Isaac. God chose Abraham because he believed and served only God and NO-ONE else and it was accounted to him for righteousness. Abraham was willing to give up the most precious thing to him, on Earth - his "miracle" son, on Mt.Moriah. Remember Mt. Moriah.

Later, the shepherd boy, king David, asked God if he could build a house for God to live in. He was answered, "Am I a man that I need a house to live in?" I am God and I need no house. I live in the heart of every man that invitesMe in to live with him, so I can teach him how to be good (like God).

However, because king David had been God's "well-beloved" servant, God decided to allow David's son Solomon to build Him a house (Temple) on MT. MORIAH, where Abraham had taken Isaac to offer him as a sacrifice to God, centuries before.

That Temple or church is the ONLY one that God has EVER given man permission to build and it is Satan and his priests (who blasphemously claim to work for God) who have built ALL the others of EVERY denomination. He does not want a house to live in, He wants to live in your hearts, as a welcome guest to teach you how to be like Him - good.

The Temple, on Mt. Moriah, had an outer court-yard and an inner sanctuary, which was called "The Holy of Holies" - the most sacred spot on Earth, the exact place where Abraham offered up Isaac and it was known as THE Holy Place. This "Holy of Holies" was separated from the outer-court of the Temple by the "Temple Veil" (curtain).

NO-ONE was allowed to enter the "Holy of Holies" EXCEPT the "High Priest", who went in there to communicate with God.

When THE "High-Priest of all time" was crucified by the jewish priests; lawyers and politicians, for challenging their authority, and the "Temple Veil" to the "Holy of Holies" was destroyed, this was to show the world that, from that moment on, the priest-hood was abolished FOR EVER, except for Christ Himself. Since then, through His teachings, of the New Testament (Covenant), EVERYONE has had DIRECT ACCESS TO GOD, if they follow the teachings EXACTLY as written and not as misinterpreted and corrupted by Satan's priests, who have the audacity to say they serve Christ, when they do the opposite of what Christ says. Thereby misleading the people away from God again and into believing that God lives in a house and outside of their hearts, which is the opposite of what God wants. They teach people to sing silly songs, that help no-one, instead of teaching Christ's Teachings, about how to learn from God, how to make the world a better, fairer and safer place, free from poverty and crime, as they should be doing.

Anyone who has not signed up for the New Covenant, in its entirety, is as good as "dead", because you are still under The Curse (penalty clause) of the Old Covenant - slavery and death.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Acts 6

Stephen Accused of Blasphemy

8 And Stephen, full of faith and power, did great wonders and signs among the people. 9 Then there arose some from what is called the Synagogue of the Freedmen (Cyrenians, Alexandrians, and those from Cilicia and Asia), disputing with Stephen. 10 And they were not able to resist the wisdom and the Spirit by which he spoke. 11 Then they secretly induced men to say, “We have heard him speak blasphemous words against Moses and God.” 12 And they stirred up the people, the elders, and the scribes; and they came upon him, seized him, and brought him to the council. 13 They also set up false witnesses who said, “This man does not cease to speak blasphemous words against this holy place and the law; 14 for we have heard him say that this Jesus of Nazareth will destroy this place and change the customs which Moses delivered to us.” 15 And all who sat in the council, looking steadfastly at him, saw his face as the face of an angel.

 

[A Freeman]

Acts 6

Stephen Accused of Blasphemy

8 And Stephen, full of faith and power, did great wonders and signs among the people. 9 Then there arose some from what is called the Synagogue of the Freedmen (Cyrenians, Alexandrians, and those from Cilicia and Asia), disputing with Stephen. 10 And they were not able to resist the wisdom and the Spirit by which he spoke. 11 Then they secretly induced men to say, “We have heard him speak blasphemous words against Moses and God.” 12 And they stirred up the people, the elders, and the scribes; and they came upon him, seized him, and brought him to the council. 13 They also set up false witnesses who said, “This man does not cease to speak blasphemous words against this holy place and the law; 14 for we have heard him say that this Jesus of Nazareth will destroy this place and change the customs which Moses delivered to us.” 15 And all who sat in the council, looking steadfastly at him, saw his face as the face of an angel.

Stephen was FALSELY accused of blasphemy and other things, by LIARS who bore false witness against him, exactly as it says.

What did they LIE about? Everything!

LIE #1:“We have heard him speak blasphemous words against Moses and God.”
TRUTH: Stephen did not say anything against Moses or God.

LIE #2: “This man does not cease to speak blasphemous words against this holy place and the law;
TRUTH: Stephen did not speak any blasphemous words against either the Holy Place or against The Law.

LIE #3: for we have heard him say that this Jesus of Nazareth will destroy this place and change the customs which Moses delivered to us.
TRUTH: Stephen did NOT say that Jesus will destroy this place nor did he say he say the customs which Moses delivered (The Law found in the Books of Moses) would be destroyed.

Stephen was "full of faith and of the Holy Spirit" (Acts 6:5) and spoke the truth (from Christ, the Holy Spirit). Christ never said He would personally destroy Herod's Temple; only that "there shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down". And Christ never said He would destroy The Law; He said the exact opposite (Matt. 5:17-19).

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Stephen was FALSELY accused of blasphemy and other things, by LIARS who bore false witness against him, exactly as it says.

What did they LIE about? Everything!

LIE #1:“We have heard him speak blasphemous words against Moses and God.”
TRUTH: Stephen did not say anything against Moses or God.

LIE #2: “This man does not cease to speak blasphemous words against this holy place and the law;
TRUTH: Stephen did not speak any blasphemous words against either the Holy Place or against The Law.

LIE #3: for we have heard him say that this Jesus of Nazareth will destroy this place and change the customs which Moses delivered to us.
TRUTH: Stephen did NOT say that Jesus will destroy this place nor did he say he say the customs which Moses delivered (The Law found in the Books of Moses) would be destroyed.

Stephen was "full of faith and of the Holy Spirit" (Acts 6:5) and spoke the truth (from Christ, the Holy Spirit). Christ never said He would personally destroy Herod's Temple; only that "there shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down". And Christ never said He would destroy The Law; He said the exact opposite (Matt. 5:17-19).

What I noticed having read that passage a few times is that the “Freedmen” interpreted Stephen’s true understanding of the Gospel as being something that went against Moses. Of course he wasn’t saying that, but for a clear presentation of the real Gospel, just read Acts 7.

P.s. a good study on Biblical hermeneutics by Walter Martin...

Dr. Walter Martin- Hermeneutics

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1st rule of hermeneutics

“The Old Testament is to be interpreted in the light of the New, never the reverse”

 

[Tidal]

..the Bible does not contradict itself..

Right, so when God said-
"Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything" (Genesis 9:3)

I interpret that to mean "everything".
PS- of course that doesn't mean we have to eat everything unless we want to, for example I never touch any poultry or shellfish or pizza or spicy food or foreign muck etc, I tried nibbles of it years ago but found it revolting ..

 

[TokiEl]

1 Tim 4 1Now the Spirit expressly states that in later times some will abandon the faith to follow deceitful spirits and the teachings of demons, 2influenced by the hypocrisy of liars, whose consciences are seared with a hot iron.

3They will prohibit marriage and require abstinence from certain foods that God has created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. 4For every creation of God is good, and nothing that is received with thanksgiving should be rejected, 5because it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

 

[Artful Revealer]

Acts 6

Stephen Accused of Blasphemy

8 And Stephen, full of faith and power, did great wonders and signs among the people. 9 Then there arose some from what is called the Synagogue of the Freedmen (Cyrenians, Alexandrians, and those from Cilicia and Asia), disputing with Stephen. 10 And they were not able to resist the wisdom and the Spirit by which he spoke. 11 Then they secretly induced men to say, “We have heard him speak blasphemous words against Moses and God.” 12 And they stirred up the people, the elders, and the scribes; and they came upon him, seized him, and brought him to the council. 13 They also set up false witnesses who said, “This man does not cease to speak blasphemous words against this holy place and the law; 14 for we have heard him say that this Jesus of Nazareth will destroy this place and change the customs which Moses delivered to us.” 15 And all who sat in the council, looking steadfastly at him, saw his face as the face of an angel.

Not to mention Acts 21, where the exact accusations were made against Paul.

27 When the seven days were nearly over, some Jews from the province of Asia saw Paul at the temple. They stirred up the whole crowd and seized him, 28 shouting, “Fellow Israelites, help us! This is the man who teaches everyone everywhere against our people and our law and this place. And besides, he has brought Greeks into the temple and defiled this holy place.”

 

[Artful Revealer]

At the Crucifixion the Temple Veil was torn in two, from top to bottom, and totally destroyed -WHY? What was the significance of The Veil, that made it so important, that God needed to destroy it, at The Crucifixion? It had absolutely NOTHING to do with replacing one evil organized religion (Talmudic Judaism, who manipulated the Romans into murdering Jesus) with another ("Christianity", supposedly started by the very people who crucified Jesus).

Hebrews 8:13 (ESV):

In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

I’m not getting your rebuttal. Even the torn curtain contains a similar message as the lifting of the veil, that in Christ the old covenant (that includes the old law) becomes obsolete and that those who continue the old covenant, the Synagogas like yourself, remain veiled.

Does the Temple curtain not veil the Ark containing Moses’ Ten Commandments? Was the veil not removed when Christ accomplished His mission to convert the Jews (ie. unveil them)?

Anyone who has not signed up for the New Covenant, in its entirety, is as good as "dead", because you are still under The Curse (penalty clause) of the Old Covenant - slavery and death.

Maybe I’m getting this wrong, but here it seems like you’re agreeing with me.

And there was no Talmudic Judaism at the time of Jesus’ crucifixion. The Talmuds (both the Jerusalem & Babylonian) developed after the destruction of the Temple 70AD and the beginning of Rabbinic Judaism. So it’s obviously not Talmudic Jews who crucified Christ, although they were partly their Pharisaic predecessors, let alone they who kickstarted Christianity, which is, frankly, a preposterous statement.

 

[phipps]

The prohibition against eating fat and blood in the Bible.

In addition to eating clean meat, we are also forbidden to eat the blood and fat of animals.

Blood.
We first find out about the prohibition of blood in Genesis 9:4 after the flood. "But you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood." That is when God allowed people to eat meat for the first time. Other scripture that forbids consumption of blood (Levticus17:10–14, 19:26, Deuteronomy 15:23).

Leviticus 3:17, "This shall be a perpetual statute throughout your generations in all your dwellings: you shall eat neither fat nor blood.’ ”

Leviticus 7:26-27, "Moreover you shall not eat any blood in any of your dwellings, whether of bird or beast. Whoever eats any blood, that person shall be cut off from his people.’ ”

Deuteronomy 12:16, "Only you shall not eat the blood; you shall pour it on the earth like water."

Why did God forbid consumption of blood? Deuteronomy 12:23-25 tells us why, "Only be sure that you do not eat the blood, for the blood is the life; you may not eat the life with the meat. You shall not eat it; you shall pour it on the earth like water. You shall not eat it, that it may go well with you and your children after you, when you do what is right in the sight of the Lord."

In Acts 15:29 the apostles explain to the Gentile believers that there are certain aspects of the health and Levitical laws that still apply (its confirmation they were still and always will be valid), they specifically mention not to eat anything strangled or blood. Why? Because some Gentiles didn't butcher their animals like the Jews. They'd strangle them and that meant the blood stayed in the meat but biblically, animals were to have their throats cut and hung upside down to drain the blood from the meat.

Blood is not healthy to eat. It not only carries nutrients to the cells; it also carries waste products away from them. Imagine the body’s circulatory system as a network of highways in the body. Not every truck on that highway carries fresh produce to market. Some of those trucks are garbage trucks and sewage-system trucks. Anyone ingesting animal blood consumes the animal's waste matter. Toxins, dead cells, bacteria, and viruses killed by the body’s defence system are also eliminated from the body via the blood.

Fat.
Leviticus 7:22-25, "And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “Speak to the children of Israel, saying: ‘You shall not eat any fat, of ox or sheep or goat. And the fat of an animal that dies naturally, and the fat of what is torn by wild beasts, may be used in any other way; but you shall by no means eat it. For whoever eats the fat of the animal of which men offer an offering made by fire to the Lord, the person who eats it shall be cut off from his people."

I don't need to say much about the consumption of fat because its obvious why God forbade it for health reasons. Its saturated fat which raises cholesterol in the blood and can increase the risk of heart disease and stroke and many other diseases.

Science has confirmed this. God knew this of course and wanted/wants to protect us all from preventable diseases and misery as much as possible in this sinful world.

 

[phipps]

Haven’t we been called to liberty in Christ, no longer under the slavery of the Law?

Since the dietary laws existed before Noah’s time, is obedience to them really “enslavement”?
Jesus told us that He didn't come to destroy the Law, but rather to fulfill it (Matthew 5:17). Good health and long life is anything but slavery.

Think of the history of these dietary laws: First, they are given to humankind before the days of Noah. Then, the Lord tells His people that they will be disease-free if they follow His laws (Exodus 15:26). The clean and unclean foods are clearly defined in Leviticus 11 and Deuteronomy 14. Peter’s vision shows us that Jesus did not abolish clean and unclean.

Paul tells believers to“touch not the unclean thing” and the Lord will receive them. John speaks of spiritual Babylon as a “cage of every unclean and hateful bird."In Isaiah’s prophesy of the new earth after the return of Christ, those who eat “swine’s flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together” (Isaiah 66:17). From one end of the Bible to the other, the concept of clean and unclean is upheld. It is a matter of health and well-being, not slavery.

Our modern world equates “freedom” with doing whatever we wish, but God calls us to a higher standard. Paul tells us to “use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another” (Galatians 5:13). Jesus tells us “If ye love me, keep my commandments” (John 14:15). Peter tells us“the Spirit of Christ” was in the prophets of old, meaning that the dietary laws are the words of Christ.

For the sake of showing our love to the Lord by obeying Him, as well as escaping disease by observing His dietary laws—let us honor God by following His rules for health and happiness. Do we really want to ignore these health laws? If we do, we do so to our own peril.

 

[TokiEl]

It is specifically stated in 1 Tim 4:1-5 that those who... prohibit marriage and require abstinence from certain foods... have fallen away from the faith.

So you who propose abstinence from certain foods... need to repent.


I will accept an apology in this thread.

 

[phipps]

Isn’t it enough to just love the Lord and not concern ourselves with God’s laws of health?

But if you truly love the Lord, you will be eager to obey His health laws because that’s the way He has designed for you to achieve optimal health, happiness, and purity. “He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him” (Hebrews 5:9). Jesus said, “If you love Me, keep My commandments” (John 14:15). When we truly love the Lord, we won’t try to dodge His health laws (or any other commandments) or make excuses. This attitude actually reveals the true heart in the other things of God. “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven” (Matthew 7:21).

 

[TokiEl]

Well you were warned.

 

[A Freeman]

Hebrews 8:13 (ESV):

In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

In context, from the KJV:
Hebrews 8:10-13
8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws (note: found only in the Old Covenant) into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away*.

*Which is why it (The Law/Old Covenant/"Song of Moses") needs to be revitalized, exactly as Christ said, in His Revelation to John.

Revelation 15:2-4
15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over its image, and over its mark, [and] over the number of its name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.
15:3 And they sing the "Song of Moses" (Old Covenant - Deut. 31) the servant of God, AND the "Song of the Lamb" (New Covenant), saying, Great and marvellous [are] Thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true [are] Thy Ways, Thou King of the holy people.
15:4 Who shall not fear Thee, O Lord, and glorify Thy name? for [Thou] ONLY [art] Holy (Matt 19:17): for all nations shall come and worship before Thee; for Thy Judgments are made manifest.

The "Song of Moses" and the "Song of the Lamb together form the "New Song" that MUST be learned off by heart (see Heb. 8:10 above). One cannot sing a song unless they know the lyrics.

Revelation 14:1-4
14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the Mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty [and] four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
14:2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many "waters", and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
14:3 And they sung as it were a New Song (Isaiah 42:10) before the Throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that "Song" (Rev. 15:3) except the hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand, which were redeemed from the Earth.
14:4 These are they which were not corrupted by women; for they are pure. These are they which follow the Lamb wheresoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, [being] the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb (obeying God NOT women).

Under the Old Covenant, every one of us had earned the death penalty for refusing to repent (stop sinning/breaking The Law). Jesus paid the price for our PAST sins (Rom. 3:25). The New Covenant then came into effect, which has the same terms and conditions as the Old Covenant. Or, in other words, the New Covenant did NOT relieve any of us from the need to keep The Law that God gave us, found only in the first five books of the Bible (the Books of Moses), namely Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy.

We're talking about the diet in this thread, because it's something that everyone should be able to understand. But The Law also contains the perfect system of government, where there are no banksters or politicians and their made-up money and rules; the perfect system of justice, where there are no attorneys and black-robed judges administering and enforcing satanic legislation and policies, and where everyone is taught and knows The Law; the perfect agricultural system, with no chemicals, GMOs, fluoridated water and other poisons; the perfect economic system that eliminates usury, poverty, and the crime that poverty causes, and of course the perfect healthy diet, which eliminates all life-ending sickness and disease.

Sin is breaking The Law, so the only way to eliminate sin is for everyone to keep The Law. Does it really make any sense to anyone that God gave us His PERFECT Law/Commandments -- which define what is right and wrong in His PERFECT eyes and judgment, so He could later do away with it? Similarly, does it really make any sense that Christ would have suffered the agony of the cross in the body of Jesus, to grant us the freedom to sin with impunity, making this world a MORE evil place than it already is?

The passage from 1 John 3 below is also instructive.

1 John 3:4-10
3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also The Law: for sin is the transgression of The Law.
3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our (past) sins; and in him is no sin.
3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he (Christ) is righteous.
3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the Beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin*; for His seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever DOETH NOT righteousness is NOT of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

*leaving no doubt that being reborn as one's true spiritual self involves striving for perfection in obedience to God

I’m not getting your rebuttal. Even the torn curtain contains a similar message as the lifting of the veil, that in Christ the old covenant (that includes the old law) becomes obsolete and that those who continue the old covenant, the Synagogas like yourself, remain veiled.

The veil was between the outer court and the inner "Holy of Holies", which was reserved for the High Priest alone. Tearing the veil down was the formal abolition of the Levitical priesthood, effectively reducing the priesthood from many down to ONE High-Priest: Christ (after the order of Mechizedek).

And your made-up "synagoga" strawman has no basis in Scripture (Isa. 5:20-21). The synagogues, churches, mosques, temples, etc. were all condemned by Christ, along with their satanic priests, pastors, rabbis and imams, because none of them keep and teach The Law that Christ plainly told us would NEVER go away.

Does the Temple curtain not veil the Ark containing Moses’ Ten Commandments? Was the veil not removed when Christ accomplished His mission to convert the Jews (ie. unveil them)?

The Ark of the Covenant had been removed from Solomon's Temple before its destruction by the Babylonians c. 588 B.C. The rebuilt temple (aka Herod's Temple) -- which was the temple at the time of the crucifixion -- never housed the Ark of The Covenant.

Yes, the veil was removed/done away with, but the Covenant wasn't. A Covenant is a PROMISE of performance (a contract without the con).

2 Corinthians 3:12-16
3:12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
3:13 And not as Moses, [which] put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not steadfastly look to the end of that which is abolished (the ordinances and animal-sacrifice, the latter of which was replaced with "self" sacrifice - Eph. 2:15, Col. 2:14):
3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same veil untaken away in the reading of the Old Covenant (Testament); which [veil] (the veil, NOT The Covenant - Rev. 15:3) is done away in Christ.
3:15 But even unto this day, when Moses (the Torah) is read, the veil is upon their heart.
3:16 Nevertheless when it (the Torah) shall turn to the Lord, THE VEIL shall be taken away (Ezek. 36:26).

Maybe I’m getting this wrong, but here it seems like you’re agreeing with me.

As above please. There's no way to accept the New Covenant without keeping the terms and conditions of the Old Covenant, which will NEVER change.

Perhaps a simple analogy will help explain this.

A man has a home mortgage agreement (a contract with terms and conditions) with a Lender, and has borrowed against his house to pay for reckless, irresponsible spending that was prohibited in the mortgage agreement. Finally, he reaches the point where payment is due but he's unable to pay, and finds himself in danger of losing everything.

A good friend of his (the Son of the Lender) comes to his rescue, and pays off his debt in full out of his own pocket. That good friend asks for nothing in return, except for the man to act responsibly from that point forward, as he originally promised to do in the mortgage agreement. His good friend warns him that this gift was a one-time offer, and that he must promise to live up to his end of the agreement by never engaging in such reckless, irresponsible spending again. The man promises, and thanks his good friend for his help (at least with his words).

Should that man allow himself to fall into debt again, there will be nothing his good friend or the Lender can do for him. And why should they? The debtor will have not only proved he didn't appreciate the sacrifice his good friend made, but that his word is absolutely worthless, because he had no real desire to put an end to his selfish, reckless habits.

So shall it be with everyone who mistakenly believes that obeying God and His Perfect Law has allegedly become "obsolete" (just because so very few choose to do it, as if their lives depended upon it, which of course they do). They will stand before Christ in Judgment, and offer everything they mistakenly believe they own in payment to Him, but it will not be enough.

And there was no Talmudic Judaism at the time of Jesus’ crucifixion. The Talmuds (both the Jerusalem & Babylonian) developed after the destruction of the Temple 70AD and the beginning of Rabbinic Judaism. So it’s obviously not Talmudic Jews who crucified Christ, although they were partly their Pharisaic predecessors, let alone they who kickstarted Christianity, which is, frankly, a preposterous statement.

Oh really? What then was Christ referring to in Matthew 15 when he told the lawyers and politicians -- who were also the rabbis/priests -- that they make the Commandments of God of no effect by their "traditions"? The Hebrew word "Talmud" literally means "the traditions of the father/elders". And what do you suppose the "heavy burdens" were that Christ referred to in Matt. 23, which were being used to "devour widows' houses, etc.? It is a capital offense under The Law to afflict a widow, so it is with absolute certainty that we can conclude they were using their "traditions" (Talmud) to do all of the evil they did.

The Babylonian Talmud was written during the 70 year or so period that the House of Judah was in Babylon, c. 588-518 BC, and later added to in Jerusalem.

 

[phipps]

Unclean food regulations are not abolished in the New Testament.

There is nothing in the New Testament when taken in context to suggest that the distinction between clean and unclean food was abolished. I have posts here and here explaining the problem verses for Christians who think that health and dietary regulations were abolished in the New Testament.

Acts 15:29 is confirmation of the validity of the health and dietary laws from the Old Testament. The early church led by the Holy Spirit was led to teach the Gentiles about what was fit for consumption according to the health and dietary regulations. Acts 15 confirms that Christians ( both Jews and Gentiles) should continue to “abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality.” These four binding prohibitions clearly reflect the universal laws of Leviticus 17-18.

Many Christians dismiss a lot of things because they are written in the Old Testament but if we study our Bibles many things from the Old Testament are still valid and universal.

Health regulations are part of true Bible religion. 3 John 1:2 says, “Beloved, I pray that you may prosper in all things and be in health, just as your soul prospers.” The Bible (God) rates health right near the top of the list in importance. A person’s mind, spiritual nature, and body are all connected and dependent on each other. What affects one affects the others. And we won't be what God intended for us fully. The Bible also tells us, "Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God’s" (1 Corinthians 6:19-20). Our bodies are to be the temple of the Holy spirit. We should give God glory by everything we do and Jesus wants to live in our hearts through The Holy Spirit so we should treat our bodies as we would treat God's temple.

God asks us to do everything including what we eat and drink to His glory. 1 Corinthians 10:31 says, "Therefore, whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God." God gave us detailed instructions on health and if we do we will be blessed (Psalm 105:37).

By not eating the things God prohibited, we exercise deep respect for Him and our tables become silent witnesses for our God. We don't earn salvation by not eating certain foods, we do not earn salvation or gain God’s favour, because of the observation of these health principles. Its not a way to heaven, but an expression of our faithfulness and obedience to God. In this way we live to the glory of God. Moses actually assures that these laws are for the saved people, and that it is a lifestyle of the children of God, “You are the children of the LORD your God,... You are a people holy to the LORD your God. Out of all the peoples on the face of the earth,the LORD has chosen you to be his treasured possession. Do not eat any detestable thing” (Deuteronomy 14:1-3).

Its never too late to change our wrong habits of diet and lifestyle. All we need to do is pray and rely and trust God to give us the strength mentally and spiritually to change our diets and other aspects of our lives that need changing to live to God's glory.

 

[TokiEl]

1 Tim 4 1Now the Spirit expressly states that in later times some will abandon the faith to follow deceitful spirits and the teachings of demons, 2influenced by the hypocrisy of liars, whose consciences are seared with a hot iron.

3They will prohibit marriage and require abstinence from certain foods that God has created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. 4For every creation of God is good, and nothing that is received with thanksgiving should be rejected, 5because it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.



A lot of people study the bible and become puffed up bible thumpers... like the proud pharisees who argued with God to his face.

Now the Spirit expressly states that in later times some will abandon the faith...

It's their bible study that make them abandon the faith.