Is God Particular?

[Maldarker]

They are not and you know that now.

No but there are. Doesn't matter if you break them into categories they are all laws.

 

[Bubbajay]

I'm not scared of freedom, because freedom is what we get when we are saved through grace, and do God's will. We have absolute liberty in Christ. I have experienced it.

Galatians 5:1, "Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage."

Galatians 5:13, "For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another."

How can you claim to be saved by grace and obediance? The definition of grace is a free gift. How can you claim to have received the gift for free when you're in fact trying to purchase it? Anyone can claim Jesus. The ones he rejects are those who say " Lord Lord haven't we done many great WORKS in your name?", the he tells them he never knew them, because they've relied on these works instead of his works on the cross.

 

[phipps]

No but there are. Doesn't matter if you break them into categories they are all laws.

There are no 613 laws to obey in the Bible unless one keeps Old Testament feasts and Ceremonial laws plus other laws that have become null and void as I explained to you using the Word of God. Unless you're Jewish and don't believe in Jesus Christ as Messiah, there are no all those laws any more.

 

[phipps]

How Can I Have Eternal Life?

This is the most important question out of all questions to be answered. And if correctly understood, it would help anyone to find Jesus Christ as a personal Saviour for himself or herself.

The rich man asked this question to Jesus Christ in Matthew 19:16, "Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”

Jesus Christ answered in Matthew 19:17, "So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

According to Jesus (God), eternal life cannot be inherited without the keeping of the commandments. Obedience to God is a condition of eternal life.

LOVE - FAITH - OBEDIENCE AS A RESPONSE TO GOD'S LOVE THROUGH JESUS.

Jesus Christ is our Saviour, not the Commandments. When we truly love Jesus Christ and have faith in HIM because of HIS love toward us, we would then in return love HIM, have faith in HIM, and keep HIS Commandments. Our keeping of God's Commandments in here will not be a means of salvation, but as a response of love, faith and obedience toward God's love in sending Jesus Christ to die for us, and to save us from eternal death.

"Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him" (1 John 2:3-5). God was the One that first loved us (John 3:16,1 John 4:19).

Romans 5:8, "But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us."

We do not obey God's Commandments as a means of salvation. We love God and we are happy to obey Him since He first loved us. Our love comes as a response toward God's love. So when God asks us to obey Him; obedience should not be a burden if its out of love (1 John 5:3). Without obedience, salvation is not going to be assured.

When faith is exercised strong enough to the point of obedience, eternal life will be assured.

One cannot have eternal life without the keeping of the Commandments. Love and faith is manifested by obedience. Obedience becomes the fruit of love and faith.

A False Teaching:

Beware of the teaching that says, "One is saved by faith alone." This teaching is saying that one is saved by faith without obedience.

 

[Bubbajay]

I care what the bible says, not what an SDA website says.the whole false SDA church was started on a lie. It came from the Millerite movement, in 1844 Miller claimed the world was going to end and claimed he had special revelations that told him this, well obviously it never happened and the millerites broke up. The remainder founded the SDA church, so the whole SDA church is founded on lies and false prophecies. Then Ellen G. White the mystic soothsayer took control of SDA along with her Freemasonic husband and wrote thousands of pages of demonic writings that were written using automatic writing where she was in contact with "spirits". The SDA church believes these demonic occult writings are on par with sceipture. There was many off shoots of the SDA church, one is the false " hebrew roots movement". Absolutely nothing good has came out of the SDA church. You can Google the obelisks that sit on Ellen White and her husbands gravesite now. SDA is known for its false works based salvation, the denial of hell, keeping the Sabbath is mandatory for salvation, that the "Sunday Sabbath law" is supposedly the mark of the beast and MANY other weird and damnable heresies. "When the foundations are destroyed what can the righteous do?"

Compare all that with the simple gospel of Jesus Christ that's coming from his own mouth, not an interpretation of A parable by a false SDA prophet.

John 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.
24 For John was not yet cast into prison.
25 Then there arose a question between some of John's disciples and the Jews about purifying.
26 And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all men come to him.
27 John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.
28 Ye yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him.
29 He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.
30 He must increase, but I must decrease.
31 He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.
32 And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony.
33 He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true.
34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.
36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

 

[Bubbajay]

After I'm done with the book I'm reading now I'm going read some of Ellen Whites books so I can expose these false Christians more. Knowing what I already know White was heavily into astrology as most occultists of that time were. I believe there's plenty of proof pointing to the Freemasons as having founded and currently propagating that church. Look at their logos on their magazine covers, there's the eye of Osiris everywhere. People on the magazine cover covering one eye, pyramids etc. The same things you see on any mainstream publication.

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[fotw]

Just because someone keeps the Sabbath as Jesus did doesn't mean they are a Seventh Day Adventist. Any religious organization can claim whatever they want, doesn't mean they own it. Just as the Old Testament doesn't belong to Jews, the New Testament doesn't belong to Christians and the Quran doesn't belong to Muslims. God's word is for everyone that wishes to read it, or abide in it. The Sabbath day is for the observation of keeping holy the remembrance of God creating the universe in six days and then resting on the seventh, as written in the book of Genesis. As we know it was one of the Commandments given to Moses for the descendants of Jacob and whoever else was grafted in as an Israelite. Historically Sunday is known to be a pagan holiday in honor of the sun. Jesus kept the Sabbath and made it known to the Pharisees that it was not unlawful to do good deeds on that day. The Pharisees are considered by many to be the politicians of their day. In fact many Christians, non Christians and Bible publications regard Jesus as King of the Sabbath, or Lord of the Sabbath. It is what it is.


Matthew
12:1 At that time Jesus went on the Sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat.
12:2 But when the politicians saw [it], they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the Sabbath day.
12:3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;
12:4 How he entered into the "House of God", and did eat the showbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
12:5 Or have ye not read in the Law, how that on the Sabbath days the priests in the Temple profane the Sabbath, and are blameless?
12:6 But I say unto you, That in this place is [one] greater than the Temple.
12:7 But if ye had known what [this] meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice (you), ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
12:8 For the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath day.
12:9 And when he was departed thence, he went into their church:
12:10 And, behold, there was a man which had [his] hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath days? that they might accuse him.
12:11 And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the Sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift [it] out?
12:12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath days.
12:13 Then saith he to the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched [it] forth; and it was restored whole, like as the other.


Mark
2:23 And it came to pass, that he went through the corn fields on the Sabbath day; and his disciples began, as they went, to pluck the ears of corn.
2:24 And the politicians said unto him, Behold, why do they on the Sabbath day that which is not lawful?
2:25 And he said unto them, Have ye never read what David did, when he had need, and was an hungred, he, and they that were with him?
2:26 How he went into the House of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and did eat the showbread, which is not lawful to eat but for the priests, and gave also to them which were with him?
2:27 And he said unto them, The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath:
2:28 Therefore the Son of Man is Lord also of the Sabbath.
3:1 And he entered again into the church; and there was a man there which had a withered hand.
3:2 And they watched him, whether he would heal him on the Sabbath day; that they might accuse him.
3:3 And he saith unto the man which had the withered hand, Stand forth.
3:4 And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the Sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.


Luke
6:1 And it came to pass on the second Sabbath after the first, that he went through the corn fields; and his disciples plucked the ears of corn, and did eat, rubbing [them] in [their] hands.
6:2 And certain of the politicians said unto them, Why do ye that which is not lawful to do on the Sabbath days?
6:3 And Jesus answering them said, Have ye not read so much as this, what David did, when himself was an hungred, and they which were with him;
6:4 How he went into the "House of God", and did take and eat the showbread, and gave also to them that were with him; which it is not lawful to eat but for the priests alone?
6:5 And he said unto them, That the Son of Man is Lord also of the Sabbath.
6:6 And it came to pass also on another Sabbath, that he entered into the church and taught: and there was a man whose right hand was withered.
6:7 And the lawyers and politicians watched him, whether he would heal on the Sabbath day; that they might find an accusation against him.
6:8 But he knew their thoughts, and said to the man which had the withered hand, Rise up, and stand forth in the midst. And he arose and stood forth.
6:9 Then said Jesus unto them, I will ask you one thing; Is it lawful on the Sabbath days to do good, or to do evil? to save life, or to destroy [it]?
6:10 And looking round about upon them all, he said unto the man, Stretch forth thy hand. And he did so: and his hand was restored whole as the other.

 

[phipps]

Just because someone keeps the Sabbath as Jesus did doesn't mean they are a Seventh Day Adventist. Any religious organization can claim whatever they want, doesn't mean they own it. Just as the Old Testament doesn't belong to Jews, the New Testament doesn't belong to Christians and the Quran doesn't belong to Muslims. God's word is for everyone that wishes to read it, or abide in it. The Sabbath day is for the observation of keeping holy the remembrance of God creating the universe in six days and then resting on the seventh, as written in the book of Genesis. As we know it was one of the Commandments given to Moses for the descendants of Jacob and whoever else was grafted in as an Israelite. Historically Sunday is known to be a pagan holiday in honor of the sun. Jesus kept the Sabbath and made it known to the Pharisees that it was not unlawful to do good deeds on that day. The Pharisees are considered by many to be the politicians of their day. In fact many Christians, non Christians and Bible publications regard Jesus as King of the Sabbath, or Lord of the Sabbath. It is what it is.


Matthew
12:1 At that time Jesus went on the Sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat.
12:2 But when the politicians saw [it], they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the Sabbath day.
12:3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;
12:4 How he entered into the "House of God", and did eat the showbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
12:5 Or have ye not read in the Law, how that on the Sabbath days the priests in the Temple profane the Sabbath, and are blameless?
12:6 But I say unto you, That in this place is [one] greater than the Temple.
12:7 But if ye had known what [this] meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice (you), ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
12:8 For the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath day.
12:9 And when he was departed thence, he went into their church:
12:10 And, behold, there was a man which had [his] hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath days? that they might accuse him.
12:11 And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the Sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift [it] out?
12:12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath days.
12:13 Then saith he to the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched [it] forth; and it was restored whole, like as the other.


Mark
2:23 And it came to pass, that he went through the corn fields on the Sabbath day; and his disciples began, as they went, to pluck the ears of corn.
2:24 And the politicians said unto him, Behold, why do they on the Sabbath day that which is not lawful?
2:25 And he said unto them, Have ye never read what David did, when he had need, and was an hungred, he, and they that were with him?
2:26 How he went into the House of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and did eat the showbread, which is not lawful to eat but for the priests, and gave also to them which were with him?
2:27 And he said unto them, The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath:
2:28 Therefore the Son of Man is Lord also of the Sabbath.
3:1 And he entered again into the church; and there was a man there which had a withered hand.
3:2 And they watched him, whether he would heal him on the Sabbath day; that they might accuse him.
3:3 And he saith unto the man which had the withered hand, Stand forth.
3:4 And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the Sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.


Luke
6:1 And it came to pass on the second Sabbath after the first, that he went through the corn fields; and his disciples plucked the ears of corn, and did eat, rubbing [them] in [their] hands.
6:2 And certain of the politicians said unto them, Why do ye that which is not lawful to do on the Sabbath days?
6:3 And Jesus answering them said, Have ye not read so much as this, what David did, when himself was an hungred, and they which were with him;
6:4 How he went into the "House of God", and did take and eat the showbread, and gave also to them that were with him; which it is not lawful to eat but for the priests alone?
6:5 And he said unto them, That the Son of Man is Lord also of the Sabbath.
6:6 And it came to pass also on another Sabbath, that he entered into the church and taught: and there was a man whose right hand was withered.
6:7 And the lawyers and politicians watched him, whether he would heal on the Sabbath day; that they might find an accusation against him.
6:8 But he knew their thoughts, and said to the man which had the withered hand, Rise up, and stand forth in the midst. And he arose and stood forth.
6:9 Then said Jesus unto them, I will ask you one thing; Is it lawful on the Sabbath days to do good, or to do evil? to save life, or to destroy [it]?
6:10 And looking round about upon them all, he said unto the man, Stretch forth thy hand. And he did so: and his hand was restored whole as the other.

Thank you. The Sabbath is not a denominational belief, its biblical doctrine, one of the ten commandments and all Christians are supposed to keep it. In fact all human beings are supposed to keep it.

 

[TokiEl]

There is more to it than that. Jesus said in Matthew 22:37-40, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

Did you catch that? The Ten Commandments hang from these two commands as our 10 fingers hang from our two hands. They are inseparable because the first four commandments are about our relationship with God and the other six are about our relationships with our neighbours. Those two laws of love are a summary of all the ten commandments. They do not take the place of the Ten Commandments.


1 John 4:16, "And we have known and believed the love that God has for us. God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God in him." The Bible tells us that love fulfils the law which is essentially what Christ is saying in the two laws that summarise the ten commandments. If we love Christ with all our hearts, souls, and minds, we will obey the first four commandments that have to do with God. We will not take God’s name in vain, worship other gods, etc. If we love our neighbours as we love ourselves, we will obey the last six commandments that relate to our duty to our fellow men. We will not steal from them, lie about them etc. Love will lead to obeying or fulfilling all the law.

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Truly the 10 Commandments are all about loving God and our neighbours.

So if christans have a problem with the 10 Commandments... it's because they are sloppy in love.

 

[TokiEl]

God is ready and willing to forgive us for our sins. Jesus has already paid the price for our sins by giving His life for us on the cross. He asks us to repent, not only for the things we knew we were doing wrong but for the things we have only now realised were wrong. He calls us to worship Him as our creator as the fourth Commandment tells us to.

Actually the 4th Commandment was made for man.

Jesus said that.


God put the 4th Commandment down in stone so as to ensure at least one day rest from work.

 

[TokiEl]

Just because someone keeps the Sabbath as Jesus did doesn't mean they are a Seventh Day Adventist. Any religious organization can claim whatever they want, doesn't mean they own it. Just as the Old Testament doesn't belong to Jews, the New Testament doesn't belong to Christians and the Quran doesn't belong to Muslims. God's word is for everyone that wishes to read it, or abide in it.

Are you under the impression that the quran is of God ?

 

[phipps]

The entire truth of God is not denominational either and was never meant to be. First, Jesus is the truth. He said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me" (John 14:6). Then His Word is the truth, "Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth" (John 17:17). Jesus also reminds us that the Holy Spirit’s job is to lead us into “all truth” (John 16:13). Biblically there is only one truth to any subject.

I know I've repeatedly said this, but the truth of God has never been popular in any age since creation. Sadly its not popular even within Christendom especially on certain subjects. For example Sabbath truth is not going to be popular when the majority of Christians don't keep the right day. However God's truth is not based on who or how many people believe it. The flood is a good example of how the minority were the ones with the truth and are the only ones who survived the flood. This theme is repeated all throughout the Bible and history too. Christ’s followers, were always in the minority. The remnant at the end of time will be the same. It will not be a mega Christian movement, but a minority group (Matthew 7:13-14).

Isaiah 8:20. "To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."

 

[TokiEl]

This pharisaical obsession with the sabbath is what sowed the seeds of animosity against God in the flesh.

Mark 2 27Then Jesus declared, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.


Jesus made it very clear that the sabbath is ment for man... for man's rest and wellbeing at the end of a week of work.

 

[phipps]

Actually the 4th Commandment was made for man.

Jesus said that.


God put the 4th Commandment down in stone so as to ensure at least one day rest from work.

Yes the Sabbath was made for man. Its for our benefit not God. God doesn’t grow weary from working the way we do. But its the seventh day that God chose and not any other day. God created all the days of the week but He chose the seventh day for worship and rest in Him.

Genesis 2:2-3, "And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made."

Exodus 20:8-10, 11, “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it."

After making the world, God “rested” on the seventh day and sanctified it for humanity to keep forever. God blessed the Sabbath, not any other day, just the sabbath which is on the seventh day of the week. When God blesses something, it is blessed forever and no man can "reverse it".

And remember God is particular. To make the Sabbath any other day other than the seventh day that He chose and blessed is to disobey Him. Plus we are not to tamper with God's law either by deletions or additions. Tampering with God’s law is one of the most dangerous things a person can do, because God’s law is perfect and is designed to protect us from evil (Deuteronomy 4:2, Proverbs 30:5-6).

 

[TokiEl]

Genesis 2:2-3, "And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made."

Exodus 20:8-10, 11, “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it."

After working for six days... God took a day off.

That's it.


Blessed Rest.

 

[Maldarker]

So that was your whole GOD is particular? It's about the Sabbath? Should have titled it that way. That I can get behind. The sabbath is Saturday not Sunday.

 

[phipps]

After working for six days... God took a day off.

That's it.


Blessed Rest.

He took off the day not because He was tired but because it was an example to us. And that day was the seventh day of the week. Do not ignore that very important part of the commandment. It was the day He blessed and sanctified and asked us all to keep. If we don't, we are breaking the fourth commandment which means we are breaking all ten commandments because if we break one we break them all.

 

[phipps]

So that was your whole GOD is particular? It's about the Sabbath? Should have titled it that way. That I can get behind. The sabbath is Saturday not Sunday.

God is particular about everything He asks us to do including the Ten commandments. I used examples of Adam and Eve, Cain and Saul in this very thread and there are plenty more examples in the Bible of people who did their own thing instead of obeying God to the letter. So the thread is titled correctly.

 

[TokiEl]

He took off the day not because He was tired but because it was an example to us. And that day was the seventh day of the week. Do not ignore that very important part of the commandment. It was the day He blessed and sanctified and asked us all to keep. If we don't, we are breaking the fourth commandment which means we are breaking all ten commandments because if we break one we break them all.

You just refuse to understand the intent behind the 4th Commandment.

Just as you refuse to understand that there were human angelic hybrids and that God promised to restore a remnant in His land.


Your knowledge is not perfect.

 

[phipps]

You just refuse to understand the intent behind the 4th Commandment.

Just as you refuse to understand that there were human angelic hybrids and that God promised to restore a remnant in His land.


Your knowledge is not perfect.

I understand the intent of the fourth commandment and I posted more on it in my thread about the Sabbath. I don't want this thread to become about the Sabbath so I've not gone deep into it. If you reject that the seventh day of the week is the Sabbath of the Lord, you reject God, not me.

And I will never discuss the false doctrine of evil angels procreating with humans having hybrid people ever again with you.

No one's knowledge is perfect and I've never claimed mine is, but it won't change the fact that you're wrong on these two subjects.

God bless.