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monkeylove

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The post you quoted was not meant to debate Biblical Christianity vs church fathers.

It was meant to explain why the existence of mythology throughout the world does not mean the Bible copied them, but rather that the events predate the actual writing of scripture.

There are people who will believe just about anything over the Bible, and one of the reasons i've often seen mentioned (and was taught myself when i took ancient history at the college level) is the existence of very similar stories in mythology. While it is often repeated that these stories were written before the Bible, it is not clarified or mentioned that the events also took place long before even the earliest books of the Bible were written.
No, they're meant to show that Biblical Christianity is illogical because not only is the selection of books that would make up the Bible based on what is doctrinal but also what's outside doctrinal.

If you want to talk about the origins of the same books then make another thread.
 

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All of the points refer to the same Bible that was put together by the Church. LOL.
Except it wasn't "put together by the church" was it? Isn't that why you offer ZERO evidence to back up your false claim, and continue to ignore the FACT that both the Old Covenant and New Covenant were both already well-established BEFORE the Roman Empire came along and decided to officially "recognize" the work that others had already done.

IF the spiritually blind guides of organized religion understood what the Bible actually says, they would be deathly afraid to be priests, pastors, rabbis, imams, etc. (much less to call themselves "father"), because the Bible repeatedly warns everyone to stay away from them, as they are headed for The Fire on Judgment Day. That is why the RCC kept the Bible under lock and key for over 1000 years, to KEEP IT AWAY from the people, so they could continue pretending to be God's alleged Emmissaries here on Earth (whilst actually working for Satan(. That, in and of itself, proves how satanic and evil they really are, and that NONE of them work for God.

ANYONE promoting the LIE that the RCC gave us the Bible, or that they selected the books that would be "canonized" for anyone other than their own organization, is obviously ignoring the historical FACTS that the Greek Septuagint existed over 500 years before the formation of the RCC, and that the New Testament, with the exception of the Book of Revelation, which was written separately, was already written and copies were circulating BEFORE 70 AD, because it makes no mention of the destruction of the Temple that occurred that year, which Jesus prophesied over 35 years in advance of it happening.

For those who may have an actual interest in the truth and in our true history, please see what others have written about the false dichotomy the Great Whore (RCC) is attempting to peddle:-



 

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Some additional information about the papacy, which has been controlled from behind the scenes for almost 500 years by the crypto-counterfeit Jews who refer to themselves as "Jesuits".


From: The Illuminati and The Council on Foreign Relations One-World-Government Conspiracy and The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion -

The Learned Elders of Zion, the rabbinical caste, are acknowledged to exist. It is plain that the reported sentiment of Jesus is that they were worshippers of a 'god' other than the one of love and forgiveness which he preached. In fact he defines the Judaic god to be the 'father of lies', in other words - Satan.

This is quite clear from the following passages quoted from the Talmud and other Rabbinical talmudic writings, which also show the continuing agenda of world domination through the destruction and manipulation of the Gentile nations, which is still carried forth by the elders and their followers over 600 years after it was first accepted by them as their so-called official Yahwist manifesto:

'Just the Jews are humans, the non-Jews are not humans, but cattle.' (Kerithuth 6b, page 78, Jebhammoth 61). 'The non-Jews have been created to serve the Jews as slaves.' (Midrasch Talpioth 225). 'As you replace lost cows and donkeys, so you shall replace non-Jews.' (Lore Dea 377,1).'Sexual intercourse with non-Jews is like sexual intercourse with animals.' (Kethuboth 3b). 'The birth rate of non-Jews has to be suppressed massively.' (Zohar 11, 4b). 'It is permitted to deceive a Goi.' (Babha Kama 113b), 'Do not have any pity for them, for it is said (Deuter. Vii,2): Show no mercy unto them. Therefore, if you see an Akum (non-Jew) in difficulty or drowning, do not go to his help.' (Hilkoth Akum X,1). 'Even the best of the Goyim should be killed.' (Abhodah Zarah 26b, Tosephoth). 'When a Jew has a gentile in his clutches, another Jew may go to the same gentile, lend him money and in his turn deceive him, so that the gentile shall be ruined. For the property of the gentile (according to our law) belongs to no one, and the first Jew that passes has the full right to seize it.' (Schulchan Aruk, Law 24)

Again, there are many more such instances in the Talmud where the Gentile - especially the Christian - is labelled as subhuman and as merely there to be exploited or exterminated. The ultimate goal is again clearly defined in the Talmud as the inheritance of the Gentile nations, supposedly under Yahweh, but really under Satan.

This has fundamental implications for our times, as the Protocols will clearly show. The Protocols are merely another document in a long history of documents to outline the Satanic counterfeit of the plan first manifested in The Torah Book of Deuteronomy, which was hijacked by the Jews and corrupted by them in their Talmud. And, 'The Talmud is to this day the circulating heart's blood of the Jewish religion. Whatever laws, customs or ceremonies we observe - whether we are orthodox, conservative, reform or merely spasmodic sentimentalists - we follow the Talmud. It is our common Law.' (Herman Wouk - 'The Talmud').

There is no room here to trace the journey of the Talmudic manifesto through history to the present day, for that I refer the reader to the encyclopaedic masterwork, 'The Controversy of Zion' by Douglas Reed. However, suffice it to say that this same destructive principle, intimately associated with Jewry and more specifically the hereditary and self-appointed elect of Zion, is readily traceable throughout world history to the present day, although today's history-books are very reluctant to document it, for reasons which will be obvious by reading the Protocols.

The purpose of this brief history is to show that the Protocols are not a unique work, unprecedented in history, but are the product of an ancient heritage which has remained unbroken and unaltered since at least the middle of the first millennium BC.

In 1492, Chemor, Chief Rabbi of Spain received the following reply from the Grand Sanhedrin (Elders of Zion) to his plea for advice on how to deal with their threatened expulsion under Spanish Law; it illustrates well how the same ancient agenda was still being adhered to by the elect at this time:

'Beloved brethren in Moses (another lie), we have received your letter in which you tell us of the anxieties and misfortunes which you are enduring. We are pierced by as great a pain to hear it as yourselves.

The advice of the Grand Satraps and the Rabbis is the following:

1. As for what you say that the king of Spain obliges you to become Christians: do it, since you cannot do otherwise.

2. As for what you say about the command to despoil you of your property: make your sons merchants that they may despoil, little by little, the Christians of theirs.

3. As for what you say about making attempts on your lives: make your sons doctors and apothecaries (pharmacists/chemists), that they may take away Christian's lives.

4. As for what you say of their destroying your synagogues: make your sons canons and clerics in order that they may destroy their churches.

5. As for the other vexations you complain of: arrange that your sons become advocates and lawyers, and see that they always mix in affairs of State, that by putting Christians under your yoke you may dominate the world and be avenged on them.

6. Do not swerve from this order that we give you, because you will find by experience that, humiliated as you are, you will reach the actuality of power.

(Signed) Prince of the Jews of Constantinople'

(Julio-Inigrez de Medrano - 'La Silva Curiosa' 1608 my emphasis)

The above could almost be read as a prophecy of what was to come in Europe. Many Jews did exactly as above and became intimate with the established aristocratic order; becoming doctors, advisors, private occultists and most significantly bankers to the aristocracy and royal houses. The most famous example of this being the House of Rothschild. This then gives us a very clear idea of the methods which the Elders were prepared to employ to fulfil their ancient manifesto. Again, there is clearly a direct correlation between the beliefs and methods of the 14th century Elders and those who originated the plan in c. 600 BC.

More than a prophecy, however, was the above 'advice' to the Spanish Jews. For, according to Talmudic Law, the words of the rabbis are deemed to be the words of God. In fact, the Talmud goes even further by declaring (with blasphemous lies) that the rabbis are actually advisors to Yahweh when He is uncertain (which He never is and He has condemned their Talmud in Holy Scripture):

'Jehovah himself in heaven studies the Talmud, standing; as he has such respect for that book.' (Tr. Mechilla) 'The teachings of the Talmud stand above all other laws. They are more important than the Laws of Moses (The Torah).' (Miszna, Sanhedryn XI, 3). How did the Talmud get to be in heaven when it was written by evil men, in direct opposition to God's Commandment in Deuteronomy 4:2???

Thus the Elders have placed themselves above even God (like their master Lucifer/Satan tried to do - Isa. 14:12*). Thus these so-called 'men of God' have actually defined themselves as 'God-men'. Therefore, such an edict from the Grand Sanhedrin will have literally been heeded as 'divine' instruction and therefore Law.

* Isaiah:-
14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the Morning (Star)! [How] art thou cut down to the earth, which didst weaken the nations!
14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the North:
14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like (take the Place of) The Most High.


It is unsurprising then, given the legal instruction to convert to Christianity in order to 'dominate the world and be avenged', that thousands did just that, often with disastrous consequences for the Gentile host population.

One famous Jewish convert to Christianity was Torquemada, the Inquisition's first Grand Inquisitor who had entered the Dominican order (even before the edict of 1492) and eventually rose to be the most powerful and most feared man in Spain, causing the torture and deaths of thousands of people. Critics of the Protocols often cite the horrors of the Inquisition as an example of 'proof' that the Church has a greater historical basis for being the head of the conspiracy, as do they often cite the example of the Jesuit order as being at the inner core rather than the Judaic Elders. However, given the Talmudic/rabbinical edicts to infiltrate and destroy, as well as the repeated stated aims of the Illuminati and Protocols, it is not inconceivable that Jews living in accordance with their religion have played a significant part in these two organisations from the beginning:

The newly founded Society of Jesus...Saint Ignatius. His secretary Polanco, the only person present at his deathbed, was of Jewish descent. So was Lainez, one of his first and greatest converts, was of Jewish descent...In a short time, as the young Jesuit organization became a power for Catholic reform and propaganda, Jews were attracted to it, as they are always attracted to centers of influence, in such numbers that it was found difficult to keep out those who wished to destroy the order and the Church, under pretext of working for them. Thus a nephew of the great and Catholic Jew Polanco followed him into the society, and caused such difficulties and dissensions that for years he nearly drove his superiors to despair.
(Philip II, William Thomas Walsh, p. 95)

It is entirely in accordance with Talmudic law for Jews to deceive Christians and even believe their tenets, whilst at the same time working to destroy them from within. We will never know the full extent to which this policy has been employed by the 'Hidden Hand'.

Furthermore, there have even been several Jewish popes:

Anacletus II (1130-1138), Innocent II (1130-1143), Calixtus III (1168-1178), Clement VIII (1424-1420), Alexander VI (1492-1503), and even Pius XI (1922-1939). In addition, Gregory VI (1045-1046) and others may have been Jews or part-Jews. Anacletus II, Calixtus III, and Clement VIII are generally classified as antipopes.

(Dietrich Eckhart, Bolshevism From Moses to Lenin, translation and footnotes by William L Pierce)
 

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It's probably because the topic of this thread is Biblical Christianity used to prove the RCC wrong. But count on magnificient geniuses in the board to change the topic in order to step up the attack.
Not like any influence....maybe if you looked into that group you would see the hidden BS that looks like GOD on the outside but inside its dark and sidious but again since we are all genisues here i'm sure you know all about it and don't find any of what they do at the least suspicous....not even a bit and maybe just maybe evil hasn't infiltrated the RCC....
 

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Except it wasn't "put together by the church" was it? Isn't that why you offer ZERO evidence to back up your false claim, and continue to ignore the FACT that both the Old Covenant and New Covenant were both already well-established BEFORE the Roman Empire came along and decided to officially "recognize" the work that others had already done.

IF the spiritually blind guides of organized religion understood what the Bible actually says, they would be deathly afraid to be priests, pastors, rabbis, imams, etc. (much less to call themselves "father"), because the Bible repeatedly warns everyone to stay away from them, as they are headed for The Fire on Judgment Day. That is why the RCC kept the Bible under lock and key for over 1000 years, to KEEP IT AWAY from the people, so they could continue pretending to be God's alleged Emmissaries here on Earth (whilst actually working for Satan(. That, in and of itself, proves how satanic and evil they really are, and that NONE of them work for God.

ANYONE promoting the LIE that the RCC gave us the Bible, or that they selected the books that would be "canonized" for anyone other than their own organization, is obviously ignoring the historical FACTS that the Greek Septuagint existed over 500 years before the formation of the RCC, and that the New Testament, with the exception of the Book of Revelation, which was written separately, was already written and copies were circulating BEFORE 70 AD, because it makes no mention of the destruction of the Temple that occurred that year, which Jesus prophesied over 35 years in advance of it happening.

For those who may have an actual interest in the truth and in our true history, please see what others have written about the false dichotomy the Great Whore (RCC) is attempting to peddle:-



You're obviously a know-nothing about this issue. You refer to one of the Epistles as part of that "well-established" NT, but some of the Gospels were written AFTER those Epistles. Even Revelations was written around fifty years later. LOL.

The claim about keeping the Bible under lock and key for a thousand years is complete and utter nonsense. They had to translate the whole collection into Latin because more no longer understood common Greek, and even that was not complete because the MT would appear hundreds of years later. And even then some began to translate portions of the collection because more also no longer understood Latin. And after Trent, translations into vernacular languages were made by missionaries for practical reasons.

What you mean by keeping things under lock and key refers to not allowing lay persons to read the Bible. Why? Because someone who reads the Bible without formal education ends up becoming an amateur Bible-thumper, and then starts lifting from amateur websites and Youtube videos.

Which is very much what we've been seeing in this thread!
 

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Not like any influence....maybe if you looked into that group you would see the hidden BS that looks like GOD on the outside but inside its dark and sidious but again since we are all genisues here i'm sure you know all about it and don't find any of what they do at the least suspicous....not even a bit and maybe just maybe evil hasn't infiltrated the RCC....
You need to work on your punctuation.
 

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You need to work on your punctuation.
And you need to work on your grammar.

(The claim about keeping the Bible under lock and key for a thousand years is complete and utter nonsense. They had to translate the whole collection into Latin because more no longer understood common Greek, and even that was not complete because the MT would appear hundreds of years later. And even then some began to translate portions of the collection because more also no longer understood Latin. And after Trent, translations into vernacular languages were made by missionaries for practical reasons.)

What me to point it out or do you got it?
 

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You're obviously a know-nothing about this issue. You refer to one of the Epistles as part of that "well-established" NT, but some of the Gospels were written AFTER those Epistles. Even Revelations was written around fifty years later. LOL.

The claim about keeping the Bible under lock and key for a thousand years is complete and utter nonsense. They had to translate the whole collection into Latin because more no longer understood common Greek, and even that was not complete because the MT would appear hundreds of years later. And even then some began to translate portions of the collection because more also no longer understood Latin. And after Trent, translations into vernacular languages were made by missionaries for practical reasons.

What you mean by keeping things under lock and key refers to not allowing lay persons to read the Bible. Why? Because someone who reads the Bible without formal education ends up becoming an amateur Bible-thumper, and then starts lifting from amateur websites and Youtube videos.

Which is very much what we've been seeing in this thread!
No one needs any of the spiritually blind "experts" to teach them anything. Not one single priest, bishop, cardinal or pope has EVER understood the Bible, nor are any of them in a position to teach anyone ANYTHING about spiritual matters, which they know absolutely nothing about.

1 John 2:26-27
2:26 These [things] have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
2:27 But the anointing which ye have received from him abideth in you, and ye need NOT that any MAN teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is Truth, and is no lie, and even like it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

The satanic Roman Catholic priests, etc. are NOT The Way (nor were they ever); Christ is The Way (John 14:6).

Matthew 15:13-14
15:13 But he (Christ) answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath NOT planted, shall be rooted up.
15:14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch (or Pit).

God NEVER planted the Roman Catholic church, nor their blasphemous priests, nor their bishops, nor their cardinals, nor their silly popes with their silly hats, nor any of their established places of business.
 

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And you need to work on your grammar.

(The claim about keeping the Bible under lock and key for a thousand years is complete and utter nonsense. They had to translate the whole collection into Latin because more no longer understood common Greek, and even that was not complete because the MT would appear hundreds of years later. And even then some began to translate portions of the collection because more also no longer understood Latin. And after Trent, translations into vernacular languages were made by missionaries for practical reasons.)

What me to point it out or do you got it?
LOL. Work on your punctuation, and more.

Not like any influence....maybe if you looked into that group you would see the hidden BS that looks like GOD on the outside but inside its dark and sidious but again since we are all genisues here i'm sure you know all about it and don't find any of what they do at the least suspicous....not even a bit and maybe just maybe evil hasn't infiltrated the RCC....
"Not like any influence" - WTF does that even mean? Are you saying that the RCC is the most influential group among Christian organizations?

"maybe if you looked into that group" - Sure, but why do it through Biblical Christianity? That makes no sense whatsoever for reasons given earlier.

"see the hidden BS that looks ike GOD" - What does that even mean? What does God look "on the outside" and in the inside?

"its dark and sidious" - Never mind using "its" instead of "it's". Do you mean dark and insidious? Or Darth Sidious? What does that mean?

"but again since we are all [geniuses] here...what they do [with the least suspicion]."

Is this what you meant?

The RCC is influential like no other group. Maybe if you look into it you might see the hidden BS. Outside, it's bright but dark within. But since we're all geniuses here I'm sure you already did, and that you find nothing suspicious, such that it never occurred to you that the RCC has been infiltrated by evil elements.
Okidoky.
 

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No one needs any of the spiritually blind "experts" to teach them anything. Not one single priest, bishop, cardinal or pope has EVER understood the Bible, nor are any of them in a position to teach anyone ANYTHING about spiritual matters, which they know absolutely nothing about.

1 John 2:26-27
2:26 These [things] have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
2:27 But the anointing which ye have received from him abideth in you, and ye need NOT that any MAN teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is Truth, and is no lie, and even like it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

The satanic Roman Catholic priests, etc. are NOT The Way (nor were they ever); Christ is The Way (John 14:6).

Matthew 15:13-14
15:13 But he (Christ) answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath NOT planted, shall be rooted up.
15:14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch (or Pit).

God NEVER planted the Roman Catholic church, nor their blasphemous priests, nor their bishops, nor their cardinals, nor their silly popes with their silly hats, nor any of their established places of business.
Only you understand the Bible, right? LOL.

One more time: the books of the very Bible you are citing were selected by the same priests you reject!

That's why sola scriptura makes no sense whatsoever. The same applies to sola fide.
 

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You don’t think that God would have some say in what information each and every one of us gets?
You don't get the point: this thread attacks the Church using the Bible. It was the same Church that selected the books that would make up the Bible!
 

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Only you understand the Bible, right? LOL.
Do you realize how frequently you attempt to use logical fallacies (i.e. illogic) to mask your own ignorance please?

As the Scriptures say, ONLY Christ correctly understands the Bible (Dan. 12:1-4, Rev. 5:1-5), which is why He is The ONLY Teacher (Matt. 23:10), The ONLY High-Priest (Heb. 5:5-10), The ONLY Mediator (1 Tim. 2:5), The ONLY Good Shepherd, i.e. THE ONLY ONE CHOSEN/APPOINTED AND ANOINTED BY GOD TO LEAD AND TEACH US ABOUT THE WORD OF GOD.

One more time: the books of the very Bible you are citing were selected by the same priests you reject!
As previously shared with you, regardless of how many times you repeat that same LIE, it will NEVER make it true. You can continue to pretend that you can argue that black is white, that up is down and that good is somehow evil all you wish, but it will NEVER work.

Not only is your claim patently false, but it is a totally illogical assumption. The Scriptures repeatedly warn us to reject the same satanic priests you are here promoting, because they are incapable of understanding the Scriptures and quite obviously do NOT work for God, which anyone can see from their actions/fruits!

IF the Roman Catholic priests, bishops, cardinals or pope actually worked for God, they would not only be advocating total obedience to God ONLY, as Peter did (Acts 5:29-32), but they would be showing others by their own works that they were Godly men. Instead, what do these evil Roman Catholic priests, etc. do? They promote themselves and their own traditions, which include the molestation and r*pe of children. They prey on the weak and innocent instead of learning to pray (talk to and listen to) to God.

We are likewise told how to properly discern between truth and lies, and how to recognize those who work for Satan (2 Cor. 11:13-15) from those working for God.

Matthew 7:15-20
7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into The Fire.
7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Why would anyone in their right mind believe, follow or promote a horde of homosexual and paedophile priests, who have done everything they possibly could to promote their own satanic, made-up traditions, rites, rituals and superstitions over and in place of the Commandments of God? How obvious does it need to be made that these evil people do NOT work for God? How could they and yet continually disobey God and attempt to make a mockery of God's Word, as you do?

There are TWO NATIONS in this world who have taken the Word of God and translated the Bible into virtually all of the world's languages, published the Word of God, and then carried the Bible to every other country on Earth: the British and Anglo-Saxon American people.

Did Rome do that? No. Did Italy do that? No. Did the RCC do that? No. The British and American people did that. They translated, published and carried the Word of God all over the world as God's Two Witnesses (Isa. 43:7-12, Rev. 11), proving who they really are and, more importantly, WHO SENT THEM.

All Rome has ever done is to pretend to have authority which was NEVER given to them, pretend to be something they can NEVER be (an alleged replacement for the true people Israel), and pretend as if their made-up traditions are more important than the Bible Message of Truth. What else can pretenders do but monkey around like you do? The history of Roman Catholicism, and all of its lies, speaks for itself that it has absolutely NOTHING to do with God.

That's why sola scriptura makes no sense whatsoever.
Of course it makes no sense to foolish people who prefer the lies of men over the truth from God.

Acts 5:29-32
5:29 Then Peter and the [other] Apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
5:31 Him hath God exalted with His right hand [to be] a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
5:32 And we are His witnesses of these things; and [so is] also the Holy Spirit, whom God hath given to them that obey Him.

The only reason that men, pretending to be "priests" so desperately want others to believe they alone can interpret the Scriptures for others is so they can try to twist their meaning into something they feel suits their ambitions for worldly power, exactly as the RCC has done, becoming the largest and wealthiest business empire on planet Earth.

"Thou shalt have no other gods before Me" means EXACTLY that; it doesn't mean the exact opposite, i.e. that it's somehow okay to call oneself "Father" (God - our Father which art in heaven -- see Matt. 6:9, Matt. 23:9) much less pretend to be the "Holy Father" (a name reserved for God alone).

"Thou shalt not make unto thee ANY graven image, or ANY likeness [of ANY thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth [neither shalt thou possess them if others make them]:" means EXACTLY that; it doesn't mean the exact opposite, or that it's okay to make and sell such things, as the RCC does so it can continue to make billions from the promotion and sale of such idols.

"Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the "I AM" thy God [am] a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate [or disobey] Me;" means EXACTLY that; it doesn't mean the exact opposite, as the RCC "priests", who are literally the "lowest of the low" according to God, falsely teach others.

This is why the Scriptures repeatedly warn us to stay away from ALL priests, pastors, rabbis, imams, etc., who are ALL "the (spiritually) blind leading the blind".

The same applies to sola fide.
And where would we learn that there is no such thing as faith without works? FROM SCRIPTURE. See James 2:17-26 and Eph. 2:8-10.

We, as sure as this is hell, wouldn't learn it from the examples set by the so-called priests of the RCC (nor from any other organized religion), who couldn't fill a thimble with their collective faith (Luke 18:8).
 
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Do you realize how frequently you attempt to use logical fallacies (i.e. illogic) to mask your own ignorance please?

As the Scriptures say, ONLY Christ correctly understands the Bible (Dan. 12:1-4, Rev. 5:1-5), which is why He is The ONLY Teacher (Matt. 23:10), The ONLY High-Priest (Heb. 5:5-10), The ONLY Mediator (1 Tim. 2:5), The ONLY Good Shepherd, i.e. THE ONLY ONE CHOSEN/APPOINTED AND ANOINTED BY GOD TO LEAD AND TEACH US ABOUT THE WORD OF GOD.


As previously shared with you, regardless of how many times you repeat that same LIE, it will NEVER make it true. You can continue to pretend that you can argue that black is white, that up is down and that good is somehow evil all you wish, but it will NEVER work.

Not only is your claim patently false, but it is a totally illogical assumption. The Scriptures repeatedly warn us to reject the same satanic priests you are here promoting, because they are incapable of understanding the Scriptures and quite obviously do NOT work for God, which anyone can see from their actions/fruits!

IF the Roman Catholic priests, bishops, cardinals or pope actually worked for God, they would not only be advocating total obedience to God ONLY, as Peter did (Acts 5:29-32), but they would be showing others by their own works that they were Godly men. Instead, what do these evil Roman Catholic priests, etc. do? They promote themselves and their own traditions, which include the molestation and r*pe of children. They prey on the weak and innocent instead of learning to pray (talk to and listen to) to God.

We are likewise told how to properly discern between truth and lies, and how to recognize those who work for Satan (2 Cor. 11:13-15) from those working for God.

Matthew 7:15-20
7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into The Fire.
7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Why would anyone in their right mind believe, follow or promote a horde of homosexual and paedophile priests, who have done everything they possibly could to promote their own satanic, made-up traditions, rites, rituals and superstitions over and in place of the Commandments of God? How obvious does it need to be made that these evil people do NOT work for God? How could they and yet continually disobey God and attempt to make a mockery of God's Word, as you do?

There are TWO NATIONS in this world who have taken the Word of God and translated the Bible into virtually all of the world's languages, published the Word of God, and then carried the Bible to every other country on Earth: the British and Anglo-Saxon American people.

Did Rome do that? No. Did Italy do that? No. Did the RCC do that? No. The British and American people did that. They translated, published and carried the Word of God all over the world as God's Two Witnesses (Isa. 43:7-12, Rev. 11), proving who they really are and, more importantly, WHO SENT THEM.

All Rome has ever done is to pretend to have authority which was NEVER given to them, pretend to be something they can NEVER be (an alleged replacement for the true people Israel), and pretend as if their made-up traditions are more important than the Bible Message of Truth. What else can pretenders do but monkey around like you do? The history of Roman Catholicism, and all of its lies, speaks for itself that it has absolutely NOTHING to do with God.


Of course it makes no sense to foolish people who prefer the lies of men over the truth from God.

Acts 5:29-32
5:29 Then Peter and the [other] Apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
5:31 Him hath God exalted with His right hand [to be] a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
5:32 And we are His witnesses of these things; and [so is] also the Holy Spirit, whom God hath given to them that obey Him.

The only reason that men, pretending to be "priests" so desperately want others to believe they alone can interpret the Scriptures for others is so they can try to twist their meaning into something they feel suits their ambitions for worldly power, exactly as the RCC has done, becoming the largest and wealthiest business empire on planet Earth.

"Thou shalt have no other gods before Me" means EXACTLY that; it doesn't mean the exact opposite, i.e. that it's somehow okay to call oneself "Father" (God - our Father which art in heaven -- see Matt. 6:9, Matt. 23:9) much less pretend to be the "Holy Father" (a name reserved for God alone).

"Thou shalt not make unto thee ANY graven image, or ANY likeness [of ANY thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth [neither shalt thou possess them if others make them]:" means EXACTLY that; it doesn't mean the exact opposite, or that it's okay to make and sell such things, as the RCC does so it can continue to make billions from the promotion and sale of such idols.

"Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the "I AM" thy God [am] a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate [or disobey] Me;" means EXACTLY that; it doesn't mean the exact opposite, as the RCC "priests", who are literally the "lowest of the low" according to God, falsely teach others.

This is why the Scriptures repeatedly warn us to stay away from ALL priests, pastors, rabbis, imams, etc., who are ALL "the (spiritually) blind leading the blind".


And where would we learn that there is no such thing as faith without works? FROM SCRIPTURE. See James 2:17-26 and Eph. 2:8-10.

We, as sure as this is hell, wouldn't learn it from the examples set by the so-called priests of the RCC (nor from any other organized religion), who couldn't fill a thimble with their collective faith (Luke 18:8).
I'm not the one committing the same fallacies: you are.

The books that would make up the Bible were selected by priests, and agreement made in the Council of Rome. That's part of Tradition.

You're attacking that Tradition using the same books that Tradition selected!

So, if you want to continue attacking that Tradition, then don't use one of its results. That's all there is to it.

One more thing: take note of the translations that you use. If you're using one that is based on the MT, then you're looking at a version base that post-dates Jesus and his apostles by several centuries. They likely saw the OT in light of LXX, which has variations from the Hebrew. And if you're using editions before the 1980s, then you're likely using those not informed by the Dead Sea Scrolls.

And none of those points have to do with organized religion!

Work on your arguments and references, Bible-thumper. After all, isn't that the spirit of the VCF?
 

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I'm not the one committing the same fallacies: you are.

The books that would make up the Bible were selected by priests, and agreement made in the Council of Rome. That's part of Tradition.

You're attacking that Tradition using the same books that Tradition selected!

So, if you want to continue attacking that Tradition, then don't use one of its results. That's all there is to it.

One more thing: take note of the translations that you use. If you're using one that is based on the MT, then you're looking at a version base that post-dates Jesus and his apostles by several centuries. They likely saw the OT in light of LXX, which has variations from the Hebrew. And if you're using editions before the 1980s, then you're likely using those not informed by the Dead Sea Scrolls.

And none of those points have to do with organized religion!

Work on your arguments and references, Bible-thumper. After all, isn't that the spirit of the VCF?
Congratulations! You managed to work in: tu quoque, ad hominem, circular (faulty) reasoning, burden of proof, red herring, strawman, appeal to ridicule, appeal to (presumed) authority, appeal to tradition, false cause & false attribution, slippery slope, and several other non sequitur logical fallacies into your ridiculously illogical rant.

The stupidity is breathtaking. Do you actually hope to fool anyone other than yourself with this total nonsense?
 

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Excerpt below from: https://JAHTruth.net/darth, written during the lifetime of John Paul 2/Karol Wojtyla, but applicable to Benedict 16/Ratzinger and last pope Francis/Bergoglio, along with all of their followers...


CROSSING THE THRESHOLD OF HOPE?
by John Paul pope

IS HE SERIOUS?

(CHRIST
says he and his followers have NO chance)

If a book does not take a firm grip on the reader's mind in the first 20 pages, then normally they will put it down, be very disappointed, and not open it again.

The first 20 pages of the pope's book "Crossing the Threshold of Hope", are, according to Christ, (yes Christ, read on for the PROOF) filled with blasphemy and extremely bad advice, that, if anyone takes it, will lead them unavoidably to "the Lake of Fire and Brimstone". If it takes a grip on anyone then they will BURN. The rest of his book is filled with absolutely nothing of any help and is empty of everything of any VALUE, just like all of his teaching - filled with "hot air" to fan the FLAMES.

BEWARE
, Christ has warned YOU not to be led by the "Blind Guides" of Religions or you will ALL fall into the PIT - (Matt. 15:9,14) the Lake of Fire and Brimstone.

Anyone with ANY "common-sense", who has read "Crossing the Threshold of Hope", will already have seen for themselves and know, from its total lack of substance, that the person who wrote it is an "empty vessel"; not a "cup that runneth over" with the "Knowledge of God", and will probably have been very disappointed, dis-illusioned and feel let down, to say the least; if not actually feeling deceived and "ripped-off".

A man speaking wisely once said," It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt (prove that you are a fool).

The book will have made the Vatican's Charities a lot of money and that is probably the real reason that he wrote it. We know from experience, of charities, that the poor only receives a minute fraction of the money. Now let us see if they give ALL the money to the poor, and we'll see who or what they really work for - the increase of the Vatican's obscene wealth, or for the poor (Matt. 6 v 24). "No man can serve two masters. You can NOT serve God (good) and money." "For you WILL cling to the one and DESPISE the other."

The papacy is the wealthiest business EMPIRE on earth. They obtain money by deception, from the poor, to buy shares; property; paintings; gold; precious stones and pearls (Rev./Apoc. 17 v 4). What did God say about NOT storing up treasures on earth (Matt. 6 v 19-21) and about Lazarus and the rich man (Luke 16 v 19-26), dressed in purple (like a bishop) and fine clothes and who lived sumptuously every day (like a bishop); and about a camel going through the eye of a needle before a rich man can enter heaven? Which means that a rich man can NEVER go to heaven (it is impossible for a camel to go through the eye of a needle).

Christ told the rich man to give his riches to the "poor", which was the disciples' collective purse or "kitty" and to follow Him; His teaching and example.

What do the popes do? They take money from the poor and give it to the rich; hoarding it in the Vatican's vaults (creating mass poverty) - the OPPOSITE of what Christ said His followers must do.

IF the popes work for Christ, why do they do the OPPOSITE of what they were commanded to do?

It is because they serve mammon NOT God.​

Christ said, "Judge a tree by the fruit that it bears; by its fruit will you KNOW whether the tree be good or evil." Not by what they say. The FACTS speak for themselves. In fact it is SO obvious; unless you are one of the "blind being led by the blind" (ALL heading straight for the Pit) and "there are none so blind as those who do not WANT to see"; that the FACTS don't just speak; they SCREAM at you (2 Thessalonians 2:8-12 :-

2:8 And then shall that
Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the [Sword of the] Spirit from his mouth (the TRUTH*), and shall destroy with the enlightening of his coming:
2:9 [Even the
Wicked], whose coming is the work of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders (apparitions etc.),
2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that
perish; because they received NOT the love of the Truth, that they might be saved.
2:11 And for
this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a LIE:
2:12 That they ALL might be damned who believed NOT the Truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.)

Come on Pope of Rome. Do the honourable thing - open up the vaults and give all the riches back to the poor, that they were taken from, and teach other rich people, by YOUR example, to do the same and then RESIGN; learn to sing "The New Song" and keep The Covenant, as you are commanded by Christ. Thereby ending crime brought about by deprivation and desperation; bringing peace and prosperity to the world, instead of to the few.

You and I both know that you dare NOT do it because they would KILL you. Go on! Do it; IF you have ANY faith!

Christ says, and it is written, "Be not afraid - of those who can kill only your body. Fear only those who can kill both body (human) and soul (Being) on the Last-Day, when you are found unworthy." (Matt. 10 v 28). Why don't YOU take your OWN advice? "Be not afraid!" You tell everybody else to do it. "Be not afraid!"

You have been commanded by Christ to do it.​

You dare not try to give away all the Vatican's worldly treasures that you really worship because you have no REAL faith. Due to that FACT and also because of what happened to your predecessor who wanted to give everything to the poor; the one who mysteriously lasted only a few days in the job and died; you dare not do it.

Why don't you tell the world the Truth, that you are only an actor playing a part, dressed in an obscenely expensive, white frock, and that the real pope, who really runs everything, wears black - The Black Pope - The Supreme Jesuit General, who is shown symbolically in the "Starwars" trilogy of films as Darth Vader, wearing a fake "Breastplate of Aaron", faithfully serving his emperor Satan, AGAINST the JEDI (Je/Di - Je... Di...... Jesus Disciple) rebel, Luke (the Light giver), who is a TRUE follower of Christ. (Please read my "Starwars - Fact NOT Fiction" Booklet)
You started your ministry with those very words "Be not afraid" because you say so yourself in your own book. You even started the book with it. So why don't YOU do it?

Could it be that you are a hypocrite, perhaps?
Or a coward?​

I hereby challenge YOU personally to stop acting (pretending) and DO, for ONCE in your life, what Christ has told His true followers to do. Start by repenting your idolatry and blasphemy and then give ALL the Vatican's treasures away to the poor and unemployed and tell your rich followers to do the same (or they will burn with you), and learn to sing "The New Song" (see my "The New Song" Booklet). You should get your followers on The Rock, of Gibraltar to do it first; as God told His Prophet Isaiah (ch. 42:10-11). Open up the vaults and let the people in to see for themselves and to take back their share, and burn all your graven images and idols, before it is too late. There is not much time left.

"Be not afraid" to do it: fear no man, only God. IF you were close to God you would not only not be afraid to die, you would eagerly look forward to meeting Him. Wouldn't you?

The JUST shall live by FAITH (Romans 1:17),
not by wealth.​

If you dare not do it yourself then sign and hand everything over to me so that I can do it, because I most certainly will do it, whether they like it or not.

Have you got ANY FAITH at all? You claim to have. But then you make a lot of wild claims. Don't you! And everyone knows how cheap talk is. Don't we.

The popes claim to be the successors to Cephas (Petrus/Peter) which means "a little pebble or stone" NOT a rock (petra). The Rock (Petra) was the TRUTH that Simon Peter (Petrus) had spoken, when he said that Jesus Nazir was the Christ (incarnated), and that TRUTH was the key to heaven that Simon Bar-jona (the Being) not Cephas (the human, nick-named "Stone") received (Matt. 16:17).

If the popes knew anything (and his book is PROOF that they don't) about God they would not claim to be successors to Peter (the human) because not only was Cephas (Peter) NOT the first pope, he was NOT even a disciple. And that was official from God Himself via His angel messenger at Christ's Tomb, and it is written, in Mark 16 v 7 - "tell His Disciples and Peter."

Simon Bar-jona (the Being) was given the key but Peter (his human) never learned to use it.
Peter was also NOT CELIBATE. He had a WIFE and children, and it is written, in Matt. 8 v 14 & Mark 1 v 29-31.

The pope IS a successor to Cephas (John 1 v 42 "And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas [Petrus - Peter], which is by interpretation, a STONE." and 1 Corinthians 9 v 5) in one respect; and that is that Satan is speaking through the pope; just as he did through Peter/Cephas - "the little stone" - when Peter contradicted Christ (like the pope does) immediately after having been given the key to heaven (Matt. 16:22-23); and he IS a sinful man, just like Peter was, by his OWN CONFESSION, (Luke 5 v 8) and Peter's.

Out of his OWN mouth the pope CONDEMNS himself (just like pharaoh did ). John says, and it is written, in his letter 1 John 3 v 6-9 that, "whoever sins does NOT know Christ and to let no man deceive you. He that sins IS of the DEVIL." It can't be any clearer than that! God, THE Holy Father Himself, makes a statement, and it is written, in Ezekiel 18 v 4, about which there can be absolutely NO doubt, "The soul (Being) that sins, IT SHALL DIE." - No "IFs, ANDs or BUTs."

The pope's assertion, in the centre of page 11 of his book, that he is a "MYSTERY" (Revelation/Apocal. 17 v 5) and that Christ will be contradicted (Luke 2 v 34) is IRONIC because the papacy itself has been doing EXACTLY THAT since it began. In the pope's own BLASPHEMOUS book he is PROVING that to be TRUE, because he himself continues the "TRADITION", when he is contradicting both Christ and God, making blasphemous statements about himself; when, exactly as Paul/Saul prophesied, and it is written, in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 4, the pope claims to be the Holy Father (God - Revelation/Apocalypse 15:4). That means he is claiming to be God the Father.

"Rev./Apoc. 15:4 Who shall not fear Thee, O Lord, and glorify Thy name? for [Thou] ONLY [art] Holy (Matt 19:17): for all nations shall come and worship before Thee; for Thy Judgments are made manifest.
Matt. 19:17 And he (Jesus) said unto him, Why callest thou
ME good? [there is] none good but One, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into Life, keep the Commandments."

You can not be more blasphemous than that. Christ (the Being) himself (not Jesus the human) claims only to be the Son.

John Paul 2 (played by actor Karol Wojtyla) repeatedly quotes Christ's Statements, with REFERENCES, from the Gospels and then CONTRADICTS Christ, whom he CLAIMS (obviously falsely, from his words and deeds) to SERVE.

How long would YOU employ someone who always did and taught the OPPOSITE of what you COMMANDED them to do, thereby calling YOU a LIAR? Certainly NOT for 2000 years!

The pope follows and encourages others (centre of page 6 in his book) to follow the "TRADITIONS of men" that Christ himself CONDEMNS and it is written in Mark 7 v 9 and Matt. 15 v 1-9. "By your TRADITIONS you make the COMMANDments of God of NO effect."

They claim to be the vicar (the substitute) for Christ when Christ came specifically to ABOLISH substitution, except for himself alone, and Christ said, "I will come to you." (John 14 v 18) "I am with you always, even unto the end of the world." (Matt. 28 v 20). John (the disciple that loved Jesus more than all the others) wrote in 1 John 2 v 27 "But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you need not that any man teach you."

Christ said that HE would be with you always and HE would come personally to you, IF you do what HE says. So why would you prefer a substitute? The only possible reason can be because HE doesn't come to you because you want to dis-obey HIM and obey the substitute (fake) because it is a "quick and easy path".

John the Baptist said that Christ would baptise people with FIRE. So why do the substitutes baptise with water? Water puts fire out.

Why do they go backwards to using water like John the Baptist used, as though Christ had never come? It is because they have NO fire because THEY are FAKES.

Why do they have "Graven Images" of a Cross and a worthless human body (John 6:63) like The Christ used? It is because that is where they want to keep Christ. Outside, on the Cross, and dead, where He can cause them no trouble (like all pagan idols), instead of alive and inside, living in their hearts and minds, guiding their steps and lives, 24 hrs. a day, with His Light of TRUTH and burning out all evil (lies) with His fiery (not watery) baptism; just like Paul said (Galatians 2:20).

The popes claim to be the closest person to God, when God Himself says, through Christ, that they are the "lowest of the low", and it is written in Matt. 5 v 19 and Luke 13 v 25-27. "Anyone who breaks the least of the COMMANDments and teaches others to do the same (e.g. bowing down to graven images) is the least in the Kingdom of heaven."- COMMANDment 2, in The Bible, says, "YOU shall NOT create a graven image of ANYTHING that is in HEAVEN or on the earth or under the earth or in the sea and YOU shall NOT bow down and worship them.

It can't be any CLEARER than THAT!


Have you ever seen a catholic church that doesn't have them and where the people don't bow down to them and worship them? They even sell them! That is definitely teaching people to break the COMMANDments. God Himself says that those who do that are "the LEAST in the Kingdom of Heaven" - the LEAST in God's Eyes - the LOWEST of the low, and He says that they have to be stoned to death, along with ALL who do the same.

That is The Law of God (2 kings 23:19-24).​

In his book, on page 6, John Paul pope says, "Be not afraid to call me Holy Father (God the Father is the Holy Father) which seems (and is) inimical (opposed) to the Gospel. Christ Himself declared: 'Call no-one on earth your father; you have but one Father in heaven'." He even has the audacity to quote the reference - Matt. 23 v 9 and then goes on to say, "You must not be afraid to use these words." Don't be afraid to commit blasphemy? Thereby opposing and exalting himself above Christ and above God The Holy Father; proving, out of his own mouth, that the popes are the personage referred to by Paul, in 2 Thessalonians:-

2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day (the Day of Christ) shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of the Destroyer (son of Satan);
2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God [the Holy Father])." See Revelation/Apocalypse 17 v 3 and how perfectly it describes the Vatican.

The word Satan means "the OPPOSER" and ANYONE who contradicts and says the OPPOSITE to God, is, BY DEFINITION, in opposition and working for "the OPPOSER" - Satan, nomatter what he himself (or she herself) might claim, either deludedly or intentionally (Matthew 16:22-23).

The FACTS speak for themselves (Matt. 7 v 14-24). Know a tree by the fruit it bears.​

The entire catholic religion; EMPIRE and its vast obscene fortune was/is built on nothing but LIES and deceit. Peter was NEVER a Pope of Rome. He lived; died and was buried IN JERUSALEM (at the site of what is now a Franciscan Monastery called Dominus Flevit, according to an ex-JESUIT BISHOP, who got his information from The VATICAN. Peter's grave was found, around 1960, in Jerusalem), NOT in Rome. All of the EVIDENCE suggests that; as he was COMMANDED not to by Jesus ( note well - Matt. 10:5); Peter never even VISITED Rome.

Paul in his letter to the Romans never mentioned Peter, which would have been very strange, and extremely rude, IF Peter were in Rome, because Paul salutes over 25 different members of the community in Rome. If Peter was in Rome why would Paul have felt it necessary to write and instruct the faithful there, if Peter was there and was the leader of the disciples; as the popes falsely claim?

Paul, himself tells us that Peter was IN JERUSALEM and was an apostle to the Jews (see Galatians 1:18 and 2:7) NOT to Rome (Paul, who was not one of the 12, was the Apostle to the Gentiles).

Peter was not even in charge in Jerusalem; James was the leader and also was Jesus's half-brother. Mary had an absolute minimum of SEVEN children according to Holy Scripture written by the Apostles:- Jesus, James, Jude, Simon and Joses and at least two sisters. PLEASE count them for yourself (Matthew 13:55-56).

Therefore Mary was NOT a "perpetual virgin" because there was nothing super-natural about the births of all her many other children. Nowhere in Scripture does it say that she ascended to heaven; or that she has any authority whatsoever; or that she is the queen of heaven (God says in Jeremiah chapter 44 that there is NO queen of heaven and to say such is abomination to Him). She was buried in England where she fled during The Persecution, with her rich uncle Joseph of Arimathea (the rich man who claimed the body called Jesus, from Pontius Pilate, which only a relative could do), who is also buried there, and The Vatican knows that to be THE TRUTH (as confirmed by their Councils of Pisa 1417; Constance 1417; Sienna 1424 and Basle 1434).

The popes claim to get all of their authority via Peter through "apostolic succession" by claiming, falsely, that Peter was the first Bishop of Rome (pope), which he was definitely NOT (check the Biblical FACTS for yourself, PLEASE). Therefore, because there is NO, and can be NO, "apostolic succession from Peter", the popes have absolutely NO legal authority, WHATSOEVER, not by apostolic succession, not from Christ, not from God Himself and are the lowest of the low (Check the TRUTH - the FACTS).

The popes have deceived and deluded themselves and then ALL of their followers, for wealth and power for the Vatican (serving mammon).

The "so-called christian" religion, which in reality is the Babylonian MYSTERY Religion of Revelation/Apocalypse chapter 17, was started NOT by Simon Peter but by Simon Pater, "the sorceror" referred to in Acts 8 v 9, who was condemned by Simon Peter himself in Acts 8 v 20 and his new religion called "christianity"(the TRUE followers of Christ called themselves "Covenanters" or "Followers of The Way"), was condemned by Paul/Saul in his letters (Epistles) e.g. Galatians 1:6-7 etc., and 2 Thessalonians chapter 2; and by Christ Himself in Revelation/Apocalypse chapters 17 and 18.

So be NOT deceived, it is IMPOSSIBLE, according to Christ himself, to be one of his TRUE followers and be a catholic, BECAUSE CHRIST SAYS SO and he says that he is going to totally destroy The Vatican and ALL of its followers and they will burn, because they REFUSE to believe and OBEY Christ and God, preferring to obey Their enemy Satan, and (according to both Christ and Paul) Satan's pope and ministers, and to take the "quick and easy-path" instead of "The Way [of The Force - God and The Covenant]", which they say is evil [or barbaric], just as Simon Peter himself foretold they would do, and it is written in his second letter:- 2 Peter 2:2 -

"And many shall follow their pernicious [harmful] ways; by reason [because] of whom 'The Way of Truth' [The Song of Moses - The Covenant] shall be evil spoken of.").

God told His Prophet Isaiah to tell YOU, "Woe unto them that call evil good and good evil; that put [spiritual] darkness for light, and light for darkness;..........." (Isaiah 5:20). Isaiah was quoted frequently by both John The Baptist and his more famous cousin Jesus Nazir (Nazareth wasn't built until the 4th century A.D.).

Simon Peter in the same letter [his second - 2 Peter 3:16] said, "As also in all Paul's Epistles [letters], speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and UNSTABLE wrest (wrestle with and twist), as they do also the other Scriptures, unto their OWN DESTRUCTION."

It has been known for centuries that the Vatican is "The Mother of Harlots" referred to by Christ in Revelation/Apocalypse chapter 17; which explains perfectly that it is that great CITY (Vatican CITY) that rules over the kings of the earth; that sits on 7 mountains (Rome), where the inhabitants wear SCARLET (cardinals) and PURPLE (bishops) decked with gold; precious stones and pearls and calls itself "Mother" church.

However, Christ calls her "Mother of Abominations"; his ENEMY and the great WHORE and He, NOT the pope, MUST be right.

That is WHY the Vatican, to HIDE the Truth about itself, PROHIBITED the possession of and reading of the Holy Bible, for centuries. (Don't you think it strange for a religion to prohibit its followers from having and reading God's Book? Ever wondered why?). The very fact that they did this PROVES that they KNOW exactly who and what they are and that they are actually Christ's ENEMY and are actively and vigorously fighting for Satan against Christ (Rev./Apoc. 17:14-18). For further PROOF watch out for their reaction to this Gospel Truth, as no doubt they will try to have it banned. (Down-load and SAVE it quickly - NOW).

The Vatican also sells a false list of "The Ten Commandments" which purposely ommits COMMANDment number 2; the one about not making and/or bowing down to graven images and idols; even though the Catholic Bible itself includes the CORRECT list of COMMANDments (Exodus 20:4-6; Deuteronomy 4:16 and 5:8-10); PROVING that they KNOW full well that they are DOING WRONG; that they are not only disobeying but are actually committing TREASON against God and that they are teaching idolatry; for which God COMMANDS, REPEATEDLY in The Torah/Pentateuch/Covenant/Song of Moses, endorsed by Christ (Rev./Apoc. 14:3 and 15:3), that they, and ALL, who do that HAVE TO BE stoned to death.

It is bad enough that the pope himself, by his deeds, is obviously an atheist; either that or he WANTS to commit spiritual suicide and BURN; but to DECEIVE two thousand million people, to FOLLOW and BURN with him, is the greatest CRIME of ALL. That is why Paul calls the papacy the son of the Destroyer.

The Bible says that the Messiah/Christ will destroy the whore (The Vatican) with the TRUTH*; from his Place of Defence - The munitions [Fortress] of Rock - Gibraltar (Isaiah 33:16-17) and that the WHORE is going to BURN; and the pope with her, along with ALL those who have willingly ALLOWED themselves to be deceived by her or her "Harlot Daughters" - the other "so-called christian churches", because, as Paul puts it in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 10-12 :- "they believed not the TRUTH (Christ), but had pleasure in unrighteousness" (willingly breaking God's COMMANDments with their priests' permission - Isaiah 5:20-21 and 2 Corinthians 11:13-15 :- "For such [are] FALSE apostles, deceitful workers, transforming THEMSELVES into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore [it is] no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works [NOT words].").

YOU have just been given *The TRUTH. Learn to love it and act upon it, quickly, learn "The Way" and "The New Song", or you will suffer the dire consequences, exactly as described in Scripture, and that would be a great shame.

That Wicked - man of sin, has now been revealed, "whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit [of Truth] from his mouth and destroy with the brightness [of the ENLIGHTENING] of his coming" and because of that we know that the Day of Christ is now finally close at hand (2 Thessalonians 2:3, 8).

If you think that on Judgement Day you can blame the priests or ministers, or say that you are sorry, at the last minute, and be forgiven, you are only deceiving yourself (Matthew 25:10-13 and Luke 13:23-29). God is not stupid and knows exactly what you are thinking. It will NOT work. You alone are responsible, for your own life; deeds; words and even your thoughts, just like everyone else.

Anyone who now decides to continue to gamble their life and immortality, and lose it, on the Vatican's "house of cards", which is built on nothing but lies and deceit, will be being foolish in the EXTREME.

DON'T do it! "Come out of her My people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not [a share] of her plagues (punishment)." Revelation 18:4.

The pope's book would have been much more accurately titled; if its title were - "Double-Crossing the Threshold of Hope."

The REAL disciples did NOT call themselves Christians. They called themselves "Followers of The Way" or "Covenanters" (Nazriim Ha-Brit [as in Brit-ish] which is Hebrew and means TRUE TO THE COVENANT) NOT christians.

Jesus said, "Make DISCIPLES (JEDI) of all nations" NOT christians. - JAH
 
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Congratulations! You managed to work in: tu quoque, ad hominem, circular (faulty) reasoning, burden of proof, red herring, strawman, appeal to ridicule, appeal to (presumed) authority, appeal to tradition, false cause & false attribution, slippery slope, and several other non sequitur logical fallacies into your ridiculously illogical rant.

The stupidity is breathtaking. Do you actually hope to fool anyone other than yourself with this total nonsense?
Congratulations! You managed to rely on attacking Tradition using a Bible whose works were selected by the same Tradition. You also managed to cite passages from the same Bible that counter each other, were written in different periods and for different audiences, using translations based on translations, with some made by the tenth century, and involving factors found outside that Tradition.

The stupidity is breathtaking. You can easily fool your fellow Bible-thumpers in this thread, but not me.
 

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Excerpt below from: https://JAHTruth.net/darth, written during the lifetime of John Paul 2/Karol Wojtyla, but applicable to Benedict 16/Ratzinger and last pope Francis/Bergoglio, along with all of their followers...


CROSSING THE THRESHOLD OF HOPE?
by John Paul pope

IS HE SERIOUS?

(CHRIST
says he and his followers have NO chance)

If a book does not take a firm grip on the reader's mind in the first 20 pages, then normally they will put it down, be very disappointed, and not open it again.

The first 20 pages of the pope's book "Crossing the Threshold of Hope", are, according to Christ, (yes Christ, read on for the PROOF) filled with blasphemy and extremely bad advice, that, if anyone takes it, will lead them unavoidably to "the Lake of Fire and Brimstone". If it takes a grip on anyone then they will BURN. The rest of his book is filled with absolutely nothing of any help and is empty of everything of any VALUE, just like all of his teaching - filled with "hot air" to fan the FLAMES.

BEWARE
, Christ has warned YOU not to be led by the "Blind Guides" of Religions or you will ALL fall into the PIT - (Matt. 15:9,14) the Lake of Fire and Brimstone.

Anyone with ANY "common-sense", who has read "Crossing the Threshold of Hope", will already have seen for themselves and know, from its total lack of substance, that the person who wrote it is an "empty vessel"; not a "cup that runneth over" with the "Knowledge of God", and will probably have been very disappointed, dis-illusioned and feel let down, to say the least; if not actually feeling deceived and "ripped-off".

A man speaking wisely once said," It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt (prove that you are a fool).

The book will have made the Vatican's Charities a lot of money and that is probably the real reason that he wrote it. We know from experience, of charities, that the poor only receives a minute fraction of the money. Now let us see if they give ALL the money to the poor, and we'll see who or what they really work for - the increase of the Vatican's obscene wealth, or for the poor (Matt. 6 v 24). "No man can serve two masters. You can NOT serve God (good) and money." "For you WILL cling to the one and DESPISE the other."

The papacy is the wealthiest business EMPIRE on earth. They obtain money by deception, from the poor, to buy shares; property; paintings; gold; precious stones and pearls (Rev./Apoc. 17 v 4). What did God say about NOT storing up treasures on earth (Matt. 6 v 19-21) and about Lazarus and the rich man (Luke 16 v 19-26), dressed in purple (like a bishop) and fine clothes and who lived sumptuously every day (like a bishop); and about a camel going through the eye of a needle before a rich man can enter heaven? Which means that a rich man can NEVER go to heaven (it is impossible for a camel to go through the eye of a needle).

Christ told the rich man to give his riches to the "poor", which was the disciples' collective purse or "kitty" and to follow Him; His teaching and example.

What do the popes do? They take money from the poor and give it to the rich; hoarding it in the Vatican's vaults (creating mass poverty) - the OPPOSITE of what Christ said His followers must do.

IF the popes work for Christ, why do they do the OPPOSITE of what they were commanded to do?

It is because they serve mammon NOT God.​

Christ said, "Judge a tree by the fruit that it bears; by its fruit will you KNOW whether the tree be good or evil." Not by what they say. The FACTS speak for themselves. In fact it is SO obvious; unless you are one of the "blind being led by the blind" (ALL heading straight for the Pit) and "there are none so blind as those who do not WANT to see"; that the FACTS don't just speak; they SCREAM at you (2 Thessalonians 2:8-12 :-

2:8 And then shall that
Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the [Sword of the] Spirit from his mouth (the TRUTH*), and shall destroy with the enlightening of his coming:
2:9 [Even the
Wicked], whose coming is the work of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders (apparitions etc.),
2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that
perish; because they received NOT the love of the Truth, that they might be saved.
2:11 And for
this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a LIE:
2:12 That they ALL might be damned who believed NOT the Truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.)

Come on Pope of Rome. Do the honourable thing - open up the vaults and give all the riches back to the poor, that they were taken from, and teach other rich people, by YOUR example, to do the same and then RESIGN; learn to sing "The New Song" and keep The Covenant, as you are commanded by Christ. Thereby ending crime brought about by deprivation and desperation; bringing peace and prosperity to the world, instead of to the few.

You and I both know that you dare NOT do it because they would KILL you. Go on! Do it; IF you have ANY faith!

Christ says, and it is written, "Be not afraid - of those who can kill only your body. Fear only those who can kill both body (human) and soul (Being) on the Last-Day, when you are found unworthy." (Matt. 10 v 28). Why don't YOU take your OWN advice? "Be not afraid!" You tell everybody else to do it. "Be not afraid!"

You have been commanded by Christ to do it.​

You dare not try to give away all the Vatican's worldly treasures that you really worship because you have no REAL faith. Due to that FACT and also because of what happened to your predecessor who wanted to give everything to the poor; the one who mysteriously lasted only a few days in the job and died; you dare not do it.

Why don't you tell the world the Truth, that you are only an actor playing a part, dressed in an obscenely expensive, white frock, and that the real pope, who really runs everything, wears black - The Black Pope - The Supreme Jesuit General, who is shown symbolically in the "Starwars" trilogy of films as Darth Vader, wearing a fake "Breastplate of Aaron", faithfully serving his emperor Satan, AGAINST the JEDI (Je/Di - Je... Di...... Jesus Disciple) rebel, Luke (the Light giver), who is a TRUE follower of Christ. (Please read my "Starwars - Fact NOT Fiction" Booklet)
You started your ministry with those very words "Be not afraid" because you say so yourself in your own book. You even started the book with it. So why don't YOU do it?

Could it be that you are a hypocrite, perhaps?
Or a coward?​

I hereby challenge YOU personally to stop acting (pretending) and DO, for ONCE in your life, what Christ has told His true followers to do. Start by repenting your idolatry and blasphemy and then give ALL the Vatican's treasures away to the poor and unemployed and tell your rich followers to do the same (or they will burn with you), and learn to sing "The New Song" (see my "The New Song" Booklet). You should get your followers on The Rock, of Gibraltar to do it first; as God told His Prophet Isaiah (ch. 42:10-11). Open up the vaults and let the people in to see for themselves and to take back their share, and burn all your graven images and idols, before it is too late. There is not much time left.

"Be not afraid" to do it: fear no man, only God. IF you were close to God you would not only not be afraid to die, you would eagerly look forward to meeting Him. Wouldn't you?

The JUST shall live by FAITH (Romans 1:17),
not by wealth.​

If you dare not do it yourself then sign and hand everything over to me so that I can do it, because I most certainly will do it, whether they like it or not.

Have you got ANY FAITH at all? You claim to have. But then you make a lot of wild claims. Don't you! And everyone knows how cheap talk is. Don't we.

The popes claim to be the successors to Cephas (Petrus/Peter) which means "a little pebble or stone" NOT a rock (petra). The Rock (Petra) was the TRUTH that Simon Peter (Petrus) had spoken, when he said that Jesus Nazir was the Christ (incarnated), and that TRUTH was the key to heaven that Simon Bar-jona (the Being) not Cephas (the human, nick-named "Stone") received (Matt. 16:17).

If the popes knew anything (and his book is PROOF that they don't) about God they would not claim to be successors to Peter (the human) because not only was Cephas (Peter) NOT the first pope, he was NOT even a disciple. And that was official from God Himself via His angel messenger at Christ's Tomb, and it is written, in Mark 16 v 7 - "tell His Disciples and Peter."

Simon Bar-jona (the Being) was given the key but Peter (his human) never learned to use it.
Peter was also NOT CELIBATE. He had a WIFE and children, and it is written, in Matt. 8 v 14 & Mark 1 v 29-31.

The pope IS a successor to Cephas (John 1 v 42 "And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas [Petrus - Peter], which is by interpretation, a STONE." and 1 Corinthians 9 v 5) in one respect; and that is that Satan is speaking through the pope; just as he did through Peter/Cephas - "the little stone" - when Peter contradicted Christ (like the pope does) immediately after having been given the key to heaven (Matt. 16:22-23); and he IS a sinful man, just like Peter was, by his OWN CONFESSION, (Luke 5 v 8) and Peter's.

Out of his OWN mouth the pope CONDEMNS himself (just like pharaoh did ). John says, and it is written, in his letter 1 John 3 v 6-9 that, "whoever sins does NOT know Christ and to let no man deceive you. He that sins IS of the DEVIL." It can't be any clearer than that! God, THE Holy Father Himself, makes a statement, and it is written, in Ezekiel 18 v 4, about which there can be absolutely NO doubt, "The soul (Being) that sins, IT SHALL DIE." - No "IFs, ANDs or BUTs."

The pope's assertion, in the centre of page 11 of his book, that he is a "MYSTERY" (Revelation/Apocal. 17 v 5) and that Christ will be contradicted (Luke 2 v 34) is IRONIC because the papacy itself has been doing EXACTLY THAT since it began. In the pope's own BLASPHEMOUS book he is PROVING that to be TRUE, because he himself continues the "TRADITION", when he is contradicting both Christ and God, making blasphemous statements about himself; when, exactly as Paul/Saul prophesied, and it is written, in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 4, the pope claims to be the Holy Father (God - Revelation/Apocalypse 15:4). That means he is claiming to be God the Father.

"Rev./Apoc. 15:4 Who shall not fear Thee, O Lord, and glorify Thy name? for [Thou] ONLY [art] Holy (Matt 19:17): for all nations shall come and worship before Thee; for Thy Judgments are made manifest.
Matt. 19:17 And he (Jesus) said unto him, Why callest thou
ME good? [there is] none good but One, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into Life, keep the Commandments."

You can not be more blasphemous than that. Christ (the Being) himself (not Jesus the human) claims only to be the Son.

John Paul 2 (played by actor Karol Wojtyla) repeatedly quotes Christ's Statements, with REFERENCES, from the Gospels and then CONTRADICTS Christ, whom he CLAIMS (obviously falsely, from his words and deeds) to SERVE.

How long would YOU employ someone who always did and taught the OPPOSITE of what you COMMANDED them to do, thereby calling YOU a LIAR? Certainly NOT for 2000 years!

The pope follows and encourages others (centre of page 6 in his book) to follow the "TRADITIONS of men" that Christ himself CONDEMNS and it is written in Mark 7 v 9 and Matt. 15 v 1-9. "By your TRADITIONS you make the COMMANDments of God of NO effect."

They claim to be the vicar (the substitute) for Christ when Christ came specifically to ABOLISH substitution, except for himself alone, and Christ said, "I will come to you." (John 14 v 18) "I am with you always, even unto the end of the world." (Matt. 28 v 20). John (the disciple that loved Jesus more than all the others) wrote in 1 John 2 v 27 "But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you need not that any man teach you."

Christ said that HE would be with you always and HE would come personally to you, IF you do what HE says. So why would you prefer a substitute? The only possible reason can be because HE doesn't come to you because you want to dis-obey HIM and obey the substitute (fake) because it is a "quick and easy path".

John the Baptist said that Christ would baptise people with FIRE. So why do the substitutes baptise with water? Water puts fire out.

Why do they go backwards to using water like John the Baptist used, as though Christ had never come? It is because they have NO fire because THEY are FAKES.

Why do they have "Graven Images" of a Cross and a worthless human body (John 6:63) like The Christ used? It is because that is where they want to keep Christ. Outside, on the Cross, and dead, where He can cause them no trouble (like all pagan idols), instead of alive and inside, living in their hearts and minds, guiding their steps and lives, 24 hrs. a day, with His Light of TRUTH and burning out all evil (lies) with His fiery (not watery) baptism; just like Paul said (Galatians 2:20).

The popes claim to be the closest person to God, when God Himself says, through Christ, that they are the "lowest of the low", and it is written in Matt. 5 v 19 and Luke 13 v 25-27. "Anyone who breaks the least of the COMMANDments and teaches others to do the same (e.g. bowing down to graven images) is the least in the Kingdom of heaven."- COMMANDment 2, in The Bible, says, "YOU shall NOT create a graven image of ANYTHING that is in HEAVEN or on the earth or under the earth or in the sea and YOU shall NOT bow down and worship them.

It can't be any CLEARER than THAT!


Have you ever seen a catholic church that doesn't have them and where the people don't bow down to them and worship them? They even sell them! That is definitely teaching people to break the COMMANDments. God Himself says that those who do that are "the LEAST in the Kingdom of Heaven" - the LEAST in God's Eyes - the LOWEST of the low, and He says that they have to be stoned to death, along with ALL who do the same.

That is The Law of God (2 kings 23:19-24).​

In his book, on page 6, John Paul pope says, "Be not afraid to call me Holy Father (God the Father is the Holy Father) which seems (and is) inimical (opposed) to the Gospel. Christ Himself declared: 'Call no-one on earth your father; you have but one Father in heaven'." He even has the audacity to quote the reference - Matt. 23 v 9 and then goes on to say, "You must not be afraid to use these words." Don't be afraid to commit blasphemy? Thereby opposing and exalting himself above Christ and above God The Holy Father; proving, out of his own mouth, that the popes are the personage referred to by Paul, in 2 Thessalonians:-

2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day (the Day of Christ) shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of the Destroyer (son of Satan);
2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God [the Holy Father])." See Revelation/Apocalypse 17 v 3 and how perfectly it describes the Vatican.

The word Satan means "the OPPOSER" and ANYONE who contradicts and says the OPPOSITE to God, is, BY DEFINITION, in opposition and working for "the OPPOSER" - Satan, nomatter what he himself (or she herself) might claim, either deludedly or intentionally (Matthew 16:22-23).

The FACTS speak for themselves (Matt. 7 v 14-24). Know a tree by the fruit it bears.​

The entire catholic religion; EMPIRE and its vast obscene fortune was/is built on nothing but LIES and deceit. Peter was NEVER a Pope of Rome. He lived; died and was buried IN JERUSALEM (at the site of what is now a Franciscan Monastery called Dominus Flevit, according to an ex-JESUIT BISHOP, who got his information from The VATICAN. Peter's grave was found, around 1960, in Jerusalem), NOT in Rome. All of the EVIDENCE suggests that; as he was COMMANDED not to by Jesus ( note well - Matt. 10:5); Peter never even VISITED Rome.

Paul in his letter to the Romans never mentioned Peter, which would have been very strange, and extremely rude, IF Peter were in Rome, because Paul salutes over 25 different members of the community in Rome. If Peter was in Rome why would Paul have felt it necessary to write and instruct the faithful there, if Peter was there and was the leader of the disciples; as the popes falsely claim?

Paul, himself tells us that Peter was IN JERUSALEM and was an apostle to the Jews (see Galatians 1:18 and 2:7) NOT to Rome (Paul, who was not one of the 12, was the Apostle to the Gentiles).

Peter was not even in charge in Jerusalem; James was the leader and also was Jesus's half-brother. Mary had an absolute minimum of SEVEN children according to Holy Scripture written by the Apostles:- Jesus, James, Jude, Simon and Joses and at least two sisters. PLEASE count them for yourself (Matthew 13:55-56).

Therefore Mary was NOT a "perpetual virgin" because there was nothing super-natural about the births of all her many other children. Nowhere in Scripture does it say that she ascended to heaven; or that she has any authority whatsoever; or that she is the queen of heaven (God says in Jeremiah chapter 44 that there is NO queen of heaven and to say such is abomination to Him). She was buried in England where she fled during The Persecution, with her rich uncle Joseph of Arimathea (the rich man who claimed the body called Jesus, from Pontius Pilate, which only a relative could do), who is also buried there, and The Vatican knows that to be THE TRUTH (as confirmed by their Councils of Pisa 1417; Constance 1417; Sienna 1424 and Basle 1434).

The popes claim to get all of their authority via Peter through "apostolic succession" by claiming, falsely, that Peter was the first Bishop of Rome (pope), which he was definitely NOT (check the Biblical FACTS for yourself, PLEASE). Therefore, because there is NO, and can be NO, "apostolic succession from Peter", the popes have absolutely NO legal authority, WHATSOEVER, not by apostolic succession, not from Christ, not from God Himself and are the lowest of the low (Check the TRUTH - the FACTS).

The popes have deceived and deluded themselves and then ALL of their followers, for wealth and power for the Vatican (serving mammon).

The "so-called christian" religion, which in reality is the Babylonian MYSTERY Religion of Revelation/Apocalypse chapter 17, was started NOT by Simon Peter but by Simon Pater, "the sorceror" referred to in Acts 8 v 9, who was condemned by Simon Peter himself in Acts 8 v 20 and his new religion called "christianity"(the TRUE followers of Christ called themselves "Covenanters" or "Followers of The Way"), was condemned by Paul/Saul in his letters (Epistles) e.g. Galatians 1:6-7 etc., and 2 Thessalonians chapter 2; and by Christ Himself in Revelation/Apocalypse chapters 17 and 18.

So be NOT deceived, it is IMPOSSIBLE, according to Christ himself, to be one of his TRUE followers and be a catholic, BECAUSE CHRIST SAYS SO and he says that he is going to totally destroy The Vatican and ALL of its followers and they will burn, because they REFUSE to believe and OBEY Christ and God, preferring to obey Their enemy Satan, and (according to both Christ and Paul) Satan's pope and ministers, and to take the "quick and easy-path" instead of "The Way [of The Force - God and The Covenant]", which they say is evil [or barbaric], just as Simon Peter himself foretold they would do, and it is written in his second letter:- 2 Peter 2:2 -

"And many shall follow their pernicious [harmful] ways; by reason [because] of whom 'The Way of Truth' [The Song of Moses - The Covenant] shall be evil spoken of.").

God told His Prophet Isaiah to tell YOU, "Woe unto them that call evil good and good evil; that put [spiritual] darkness for light, and light for darkness;..........." (Isaiah 5:20). Isaiah was quoted frequently by both John The Baptist and his more famous cousin Jesus Nazir (Nazareth wasn't built until the 4th century A.D.).

Simon Peter in the same letter [his second - 2 Peter 3:16] said, "As also in all Paul's Epistles [letters], speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and UNSTABLE wrest (wrestle with and twist), as they do also the other Scriptures, unto their OWN DESTRUCTION."

It has been known for centuries that the Vatican is "The Mother of Harlots" referred to by Christ in Revelation/Apocalypse chapter 17; which explains perfectly that it is that great CITY (Vatican CITY) that rules over the kings of the earth; that sits on 7 mountains (Rome), where the inhabitants wear SCARLET (cardinals) and PURPLE (bishops) decked with gold; precious stones and pearls and calls itself "Mother" church.

However, Christ calls her "Mother of Abominations"; his ENEMY and the great WHORE and He, NOT the pope, MUST be right.

That is WHY the Vatican, to HIDE the Truth about itself, PROHIBITED the possession of and reading of the Holy Bible, for centuries. (Don't you think it strange for a religion to prohibit its followers from having and reading God's Book? Ever wondered why?). The very fact that they did this PROVES that they KNOW exactly who and what they are and that they are actually Christ's ENEMY and are actively and vigorously fighting for Satan against Christ (Rev./Apoc. 17:14-18). For further PROOF watch out for their reaction to this Gospel Truth, as no doubt they will try to have it banned. (Down-load and SAVE it quickly - NOW).

The Vatican also sells a false list of "The Ten Commandments" which purposely ommits COMMANDment number 2; the one about not making and/or bowing down to graven images and idols; even though the Catholic Bible itself includes the CORRECT list of COMMANDments (Exodus 20:4-6; Deuteronomy 4:16 and 5:8-10); PROVING that they KNOW full well that they are DOING WRONG; that they are not only disobeying but are actually committing TREASON against God and that they are teaching idolatry; for which God COMMANDS, REPEATEDLY in The Torah/Pentateuch/Covenant/Song of Moses, endorsed by Christ (Rev./Apoc. 14:3 and 15:3), that they, and ALL, who do that HAVE TO BE stoned to death.

It is bad enough that the pope himself, by his deeds, is obviously an atheist; either that or he WANTS to commit spiritual suicide and BURN; but to DECEIVE two thousand million people, to FOLLOW and BURN with him, is the greatest CRIME of ALL. That is why Paul calls the papacy the son of the Destroyer.

The Bible says that the Messiah/Christ will destroy the whore (The Vatican) with the TRUTH*; from his Place of Defence - The munitions [Fortress] of Rock - Gibraltar (Isaiah 33:16-17) and that the WHORE is going to BURN; and the pope with her, along with ALL those who have willingly ALLOWED themselves to be deceived by her or her "Harlot Daughters" - the other "so-called christian churches", because, as Paul puts it in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 10-12 :- "they believed not the TRUTH (Christ), but had pleasure in unrighteousness" (willingly breaking God's COMMANDments with their priests' permission - Isaiah 5:20-21 and 2 Corinthians 11:13-15 :- "For such [are] FALSE apostles, deceitful workers, transforming THEMSELVES into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore [it is] no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works [NOT words].").

YOU have just been given *The TRUTH. Learn to love it and act upon it, quickly, learn "The Way" and "The New Song", or you will suffer the dire consequences, exactly as described in Scripture, and that would be a great shame.

That Wicked - man of sin, has now been revealed, "whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit [of Truth] from his mouth and destroy with the brightness [of the ENLIGHTENING] of his coming" and because of that we know that the Day of Christ is now finally close at hand (2 Thessalonians 2:3, 8).

If you think that on Judgement Day you can blame the priests or ministers, or say that you are sorry, at the last minute, and be forgiven, you are only deceiving yourself (Matthew 25:10-13 and Luke 13:23-29). God is not stupid and knows exactly what you are thinking. It will NOT work. You alone are responsible, for your own life; deeds; words and even your thoughts, just like everyone else.

Anyone who now decides to continue to gamble their life and immortality, and lose it, on the Vatican's "house of cards", which is built on nothing but lies and deceit, will be being foolish in the EXTREME.

DON'T do it! "Come out of her My people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not [a share] of her plagues (punishment)." Revelation 18:4.

The pope's book would have been much more accurately titled; if its title were - "Double-Crossing the Threshold of Hope."

The REAL disciples did NOT call themselves Christians. They called themselves "Followers of The Way" or "Covenanters" (Nazriim Ha-Brit [as in Brit-ish] which is Hebrew and means TRUE TO THE COVENANT) NOT christians.

Jesus said, "Make DISCIPLES (JEDI) of all nations" NOT christians. - JAH
You're attacking Tradition by referring to a Bible put together by the same Tradition. You're lifting passages from it ranging from the 50 to 100 years after Jesus died, addressed to different audiences (from Jewish Christians to Gentiles), based on translations that were made two hundred years before Jesus was born to almost a thousand years after he died, that counter each other (the NT either fulfills the OT or goes against it), likely informed or not by the Dead Sea Scrolls, but either in context or not.

There's one good reason why the Church did not allow laypersons to read the Bible by themselves: it would end up with semi-illiterate Bible-thumpers who would use it wrongly and illogically. And that's precisely seen in your rants.

Now, you've devolving from a Bible-thumper to a Copypasta Machine. "(Down-load and SAVE it quickly - NOW)." "(JEDI)" Good grief. I'm definitely wasting time in this thread.
 

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You're attacking Tradition by referring to a Bible put together by the same Tradition.
It's you who are very unsuccessfully attempting to attack the truth with lies, which will NEVER work.

It was Christ who pointed out the TRUTH that crazy (insane) people can make up whatever satanic traditions and lies they want, but it will NEVER make those lies somehow true, regardless of how many times they repeat those lies.

The reason people tell lies is to try to cover up the truth, and that's exactly what the Roman Catholic church (RCC) has been doing for 1700 years.

No part of the Bible, much less the Bible in its entirety, was EVER put together by any traditions, regardless of what lies and propaganda the RCC may try to spread to the contrary. You are ASSUMING the RCC -- which has a 1700 year history of LYING about virtually EVERYTHING - is somehow telling the truth about their alleged role in the Bible, which is utterly ridiculous and totally illogical.

This is the same RCC which invented their traditions to suppress the Bible and persecute its readers and believers throughout its entire history. THAT is the reason the RCC invented their satanic "no sola scriptura" doctrine, because once they were no longer able to keep people from reading the Bible thanks to the printing press and the reformation, they desperately had to come up with some way to keep people from finding out that they (the RCC) were repeatedly CONDEMNED in the Bible as the Great Whore that is about to be destroyed by Christ during these end-times.

You're lifting passages from it ranging from the 50 to 100 years after Jesus died, addressed to different audiences (from Jewish Christians to Gentiles), based on translations that were made two hundred years before Jesus was born to almost a thousand years after he died, that counter each other (the NT either fulfills the OT or goes against it), likely informed or not by the Dead Sea Scrolls, but either in context or not.
All lies.

There's one good reason why the Church did not allow laypersons to read the Bible by themselves: it would end up with semi-illiterate Bible-thumpers who would use it wrongly and illogically.
The fact that you refer to people who read and recognize the truth that alludes you as "Bible-thumpers" is very telling in and of itself that you are clueless to discern good from evil (Isa. 5:20-21).

Good grief. I'm definitely wasting time in this thread.
Agreed. Your lies, whether they are intentional or out of ignorance, are worthless, as they will NEVER mislead those with (spiritual) "ears to hear" and (spiritual) "eyes to see".
 

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There's one good reason why the Church did not allow laypersons to read the Bible by themselves: it would end up with semi-illiterate Bible-thumpers who would use it wrongly and illogically. And that's precisely seen in your rants.
It's frightening how lost some people can get within their imagination and made up religions. Ancient Christians had no need to read for themselves because scripture was only a part of the outward Liturgy, the religious service designed to illuminate the mind of Christ.

I heard this great piece yesterday how the doctrine of sola scriptura (the Word alone) was heavily influenced by Kabbala and the Talmud, which by the 16th century were well translated with "Hebrew" scholars in most of Europe's large universities.

From a Catholic European perspective the reformation was a purposeful attack on traditional values and the unity of the Church. It's strange to read of the Protestants who were so willing to collaborate with the "modernist" enemies of Christianity. By dishonoring their classical heritage the Reformation was a revolution to all facets of life and society. The role of the individual, governments, economies were all upended by Europe's free-fall from the Church. Not placing judgement as the tides of history seem to be inevitable but it's bizarre how people who clam an ancient faith could be so accomodating to the liberal values that led to debt-based capitalism, colonialism, pretend democracies, etc. Really all the degenerate aspects of modernity we're struggling with today can be traced to the Protestant revolution.
 
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