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Another "Stonehenge" on the Golan Heights?
I find in interesting that in all accounts they had several things in common...There are many theories as to who the Nephilim are. Unfortunately, there is no proof as to who or what they are let alone their exact identity. It is also unknown whether they were a people or a description of a type of people.
Nephilim is an anglicized word of the Hebrew word נְפִילִים. The etymology of the word is unknown and it only appears three times in two verses in the Old Testament.
"There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown" (Genesis 6:4).
"And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight" (Numbers 13:33).
Many translations like the King James, simply uses the word "Giants" as the English counterpart. Others have anglicized the Hebrew word as Nephilim like the NIV. Other translations, with a more paraphrase-like style have taken much liberty translating the word as “the fallen ones” (YLT) or as far as “children of the supernatural beings” (CEV).
Since there is really not much to go on, shallow theories have sprung up as to who the Nephilim were, giving birth to all sorts of weird and sometimes disturbing conclusions. One of the most popular one, based on the wording of Genesis 6:4, has advanced that the “Daughters of Men” had conceived these supernatural beings after having been impregnated by the “Sons of God”, whom it is believed to be fallen angels. Unfortunately there is no biblical basis to support this claim. The very fact that they are called “Sons of God” disqualifies the fallen angels from bearing that title. Jude verse six explains how these angels have “not kept their first estate”, which would also imply that they have also lost their "sons of God" title along their exalted position. Furthermore, if this theory was true, it would also indicate that angels have the capacity to procreate, and that there is most likely female and male genders in the angels. On top of that, in order to engage in this activity of procreation it would require them to be within the confines of marriage and that would contradict the very words of Jesus regarding marriage and angels:
"For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven" (Matthew 22:30).
The identity of the "Sons of God" in this context would refer to the line of those who had remained faithful to God, i.e.: the descendants of Seth, while the "Daughters of men" would correspond to the descendants from the line of Cain.
The scriptures are silent on the identity of the Nephilim. As to why some translations favour the “giant” translation of the word might be because of its association with the “Anakim.” The Bible associates the Nephilim to the Children of Anak in Numbers 13:33. In many passages, especially in the book of Deuteronomy (1:28, 2:10-11, 21, 9:2), the Anakim are described as being chiefly and especially tall people. In Joshua 11:22, the Children of Anak are said to have been completely driven out from the land Israel and could only be found in Gaza, Gath and Ashdod. It is interesting to note that Goliath, who was considered a giant, nearing nearly ten feet tall, was born in Gath.
Are the Nephilim a race, a tribe or simply really tall people? There is no absolute answers since it has not been clearly revealed in the scriptures. We can make certain association that seems to indicate that they are taller than the average men which is probably why they were considered giants especially when considering the link with Goliath of Gath. It is very unlikely that they were something more then mere men, and as diligent Bible student, we should not lose focus on the weightier matter surrounding the events of the flood.
It appears they, the Nephilim and Anakim, were a disobedient people but they were human beings.I find in interesting that in all accounts they had several things in common...
1 they were really big
2 they were exceedingly evil
3 evil religions seemed to spring up wherever they occurred
4 the command to completely destroy certain cities correlated with the presence of these beings
https://www.amazingfacts.org/news-and-features/inside-report/magazine/id/10795/t/aliens--angels--or-adopted--who-are-the-sons-of-god-It appears they, the Nephilim and Anakim, were a disobedient people but they were human beings.
I don't know if you've read that link you've posted but its basically saying, the "sons of God" biblically means those who were/are faithful to God on this earth. 1 John 3:1 describes the “sons of God” this way: “Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.” In most cases in the Bible, the “sons of God” are those that have surrendered their life to Jesus Christ apart from in Job 1 where "sons of God" meant angels. But, in the case of Genesis 6, it can't be angels, or beings from other worlds. In this case, the pagan daughters of men seduced the men who followed God.
Not in the Old Testament.I don't know if you've read that link you've posted but its basically saying, the "sons of God" biblically means those who were/are faithful to God on this earth. 1 John 3:1 describes the “sons of God” this way: “Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.” In most cases in the Bible, the “sons of God” are those that have surrendered their life to Jesus Christ apart from in Job 1 where "sons of God" meant angels. But, in the case of Genesis 6, it can't be angels, or beings from other worlds. In this case, the pagan daughters of men seduced the men who followed God.
I know about the "Sethite" view as it is what I had heard for many years too. For me, especially with what is coming to light now, I would have to say that I don't accept it. The earliest statement of God's plan for redemption comes in Genesis 3:15I don't know if you've read that link you've posted but its basically saying, the "sons of God" biblically means those who were/are faithful to God on this earth. 1 John 3:1 describes the “sons of God” this way: “Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.” In most cases in the Bible, the “sons of God” are those that have surrendered their life to Jesus Christ apart from in Job 1 where "sons of God" meant angels. But, in the case of Genesis 6, it can't be angels, or beings from other worlds. In this case, the pagan daughters of men seduced the men who followed God.
The article goes into much greater detail explaining who the "sons of God" and “daughters of men,” are biblically. Its worth a read if you've got the time.
I'm a Bible Christian. I follow what the Bible says and it is clear that angels do not procreate. I'll post the bit from the article you linked that explains why better than I can.I know about the "Sethite" view as it is what I had heard for many years too. For me, especially with what is coming to light now, I would have to say that I don't accept it. The earliest statement of God's plan for redemption comes in Genesis 3:15
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Since then, Satan and his followers have been active in trying to foil it. There is a lot in the phrase "Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God."
Couldn’t be that it was through sorcery that they were able to mate and thus supernatural rather than physical?I'm a Bible Christian. I follow what the Bible says and it is clear that angels do not procreate. I'll post the bit from the article you linked that explains why better than I can.
"“He who makes his angels spirits …” (Psalms 104:4). Angels are spirits; they are not flesh. They are all around us now, but we cannot see them. They generally remain in their spiritual form and have no physical integration in our world—they don’t go to school, get jobs, or raise families. They are here to “minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation” (Hebrews 1:14).
Even if they wanted to marry and have babies, they couldn’t; they don’t have human DNA. It would be easier for a jellyfish to marry a mountain goat than for angels to marry people. Thus, it doesn’t make practical sense to believe that our passage in Genesis refers to the marriage of angels, fallen or holy, to humans.
Angels are not born; they are created. If God wanted more angels, He wouldn’t need to marry them off to humans or other angels to reproduce. He could create them from scratch. Speaking of Lucifer, God said, “The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes Was prepared for you on the day you were created" (Ezekiel 28:13, emphasis added).
Moreover, Jesus tells us plainly that angels do not marry. Marriage is a uniquely human institution, reserved for mankind. “For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven” (Matthew 22:30). Mark and Luke suggest the same thing: “Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God” (Luke 20:36; some translations render it “sons of God”). Notice here that Jesus makes a distinction between angels and sons of God. They are classified separately, which means they are not the same thing."
So it is up to you to you who you believe, the word of God or your own doctrine. I choose the word of God. The Nephilim were human beings biblically, if you say anything different, its not biblical is it? God bless.
Its impossible. Humans cannot have sex or procreate with spirits.Couldn’t be that it was through sorcery that they were able to mate and thus supernatural rather than physical?
I have heard about people having sex with demons through satanic rituals, perhaps it’s the same in this case...
Maybe but some weird stuff can happen through sorceryIts impossible. Humans cannot have sex or procreate with spirits.
No sorcery, no matter how strong is more powerful than God. Sorcery comes from Satan and he cannot create anything at all nor have power over it. He is just a created being after all. The word of God makes it clear that angels who are spirits cannot procreate. I believe God over any sorcery.Maybe but some weird stuff can happen through sorcery
It makes me shudder to think about
It is clear that angels were not supposed to procreate... but some did anyway. And that is what the Bible says. Their children did not stop growing... an interesting trait they shared with reptiles and so that's why God called them the seed of the serpent.I'm a Bible Christian. I follow what the Bible says and it is clear that angels do not procreate. I'll post the bit from the article you linked that explains why better than I can.
I always have to make it clear that the Bible does not contradict itself. If it seems like it contradicts itself that means we have misunderstood something and we ought to pray to God to give us understanding and search for the truth. We know angels cannot procreate with humans no matter how hard they might try (the fallen ones). There is nothing in the Bible that gives us the slightest hint that angels procreate. The Bible teaches the contrary instead.What about Jude 1:6?
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation*, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
*οἰκητήριον oikētḗrion, oy-kay-tay'-ree-on; neuter of a presumed derivative of G3611 (equivalent to G3612); a residence (literally or figuratively):—habitation, house.
Yes you have misunderstood on this topic as well what is actually quite plainly stated in the Bible.I always have to make it clear that the Bible does not contradict itself. If it seems like it contradicts itself that means we have misunderstood something and we ought to pray to God to give us understanding and search for the truth.