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A bold claim by @Colonel Valerio caught my attention. Was the Bible really purposely edited and written to conform to the prophecy? What does the evidence suggest?
Chuck Missler was so intelligent! I have got a tremendous amount from his teaching over the years and I would second your recommendation of that video. If the OP is a genuine question, what has the questioner got to lose by considering a response?I think that before any claims of cruelty and injustice be attributed to God, validation of the very text used to condemn Him should be assessed. Thanks to @Camidria who introduced me to this particular video that shined a light on exactly where the bible comes from as well as some rather interesting coding structures that I personally think are far too complex to have been constructed by man (not to mention the exponentially insignificant chances of a far smaller number of these phenomena being present in the original autographs), particularly in those times. The full video is brilliant but for those who want a brief summary skip ahead to around 2:01:14.
Good point!I think that before any claims of cruelty and injustice be attributed to God, validation of the very text used to condemn Him should be assessed.
I will be pleasantly surprised if any serious response will be given. It is easy to talk the talk, it is harder to defend it.A bold claim by @Colonel Valerio caught my attention. Was the Bible really purposely edited and written to conform to the prophecy? What does the evidence suggest?
Obedience control and complacency. If the Bible assures you that god will take care of it himself then you have no reason to rise up personally.Another question: if man really did manipulate the bible for their own gain and tailored prophecy to suit an agenda . . . Then why do the prophecies result in the ultimate destruction of earthly kingdoms belonging to the very power players suspected to have put these propechies there in the first place?
Very Good point as well!At what point it was possible. When only single copy existed ? Or you edit one and all of them magically change...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_of_the_Christian_biblical_canonAt what point it was possible. When only single copy existed ? Or you edit one and all of them magically change...
I suspect that the “magical change” option is the one privately favoured by Quranic scholars.At what point it was possible. When only single copy existed ? Or you edit one and all of them magically change...
https://www.gotquestions.org/canon-of-Scripture.htmlAt what point it was possible. When only single copy existed ? Or you edit one and all of them magically change...
I don’t have an issue with this inasmuch as many gnostic texts were churned out along with those that would be later considered canonical. From my reading of apocryphal and gnostic style texts, their message is clearly qualitatively different from the ones that ended up in the 66.There’s no “magical change” option. It’s historical fact that the early church picked and chose which books to include in official cannon - and left out many other possibilities as well as literally burying/burning many others.
Why do you trust that imperfect men chose the right books? Have you read the ones left out?I don’t have an issue with this inasmuch as many gnostic texts were churned out along with those that would be later considered canonical. From my reading of apocryphal and gnostic style texts, their message is clearly qualitatively different from the ones that ended up in the 66.
If you look at this forum, it gives an echo of this. Many voices and accounts published together. Some contradictory, all expressed through various personalities, most claiming to be telling the truth yet logically not all could possibly be doing so.
Control the discourse, control the outcome. You are trusting the same church that committed these atrocities to have been honest and unbiased in what books they chose to include? How do you make that mental leap?If that was the case then why would they have worked against the book they claim to follow ("they" referring to those who made use of violent conversions and such to consolidate power). Why would the early RCC have employed the Dark Ages to ensure no one could read the bible and killed anyone who possessed an English copy (the Reformers were killed as well)? Surely there would've been no threat from a controlled political plot device?
I think that Christians over the years have also been indwelt with the Holy Spirit. There is peace, discernment and unity in that state.Why do you trust that imperfect men chose the right books? Have you read the ones left out?
There are many subtly ways to shape discourse to serve your own desires and I don’t trust any man (or woman) to be above that natural human impulse.
It was a political process. I can’t trust that someone with something to gain honestly assembled things without being influenced by their own interests. You have emperors and bishops and church leaders who all had their own motivations to make the Bible read how it read and a society who at large could not even read and therefore had to trust that what they were told was accurate. Those are perfect conditions for tampering.I think that Christians over the years have also been indwelt with the Holy Spirit. There is peace, discernment and unity in that state.
Of course, individuals who claim to be Christians can seek to promote an interpretation but that same Spirit who we first began to hear at salvation gives us insight into the intentions of speakers and writers we encounter.
One thing that usually escapes these discussions is that the message which critics infer may have been inserted on a micro level is also the same message that is contained on a macro one. No doctrine is dependant on one verse but is present in various places, both explicit, implicit and in types and shadows.Is the Hebrew Bible the same as Old Testament? The answer is no. It was adjusted to fit with Jesus being the messiah ( among other things ).
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Bible_interpolation
And the reason the church wouldn’t allow anyone to read it for so long is that people would see the contradictions and just how ridiculous it is.
@justjess is far from alone in being the only person to read it and have a change of heart, indeed reading it is probably the biggest reason not to believe it.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Bible_interpolation
The hebrew bible was translated into greek in the 3rd century bc. It's called the septuagint.Is the Hebrew Bible the same as Old Testament? The answer is no. It was adjusted to fit with Jesus being the messiah ( among other things ).