Abayas Banned In France Controversy Could Mini Skirts Be Next?

[Lizard King]

I see that the wearing of abayas has been banned in French schools. Do you think this is fair? Should people from foreign countries adapt to the western dress code if they want to be accepted in society?

 

[Seekeroftruth55]

I'm not even sure what an abayas is LOL!
to be fair, mini skirts were introduced in the sixties, which alot of us know was an era of psyop pretty well..I would be happy to be rid of mini skirts in all honesty.
Now, midi skirts I can get with, it's a happy middle ground.

 

[Lizard King]

I'm not even sure what an abayas is LOL!
to be fair, mini skirts were introduced in the sixties, which alot of us know was an era of psyop pretty well..I would be happy to be rid of mini skirts in all honesty.
Now, midi skirts I can get with, it's a happy middle ground.

An abaya is a Muslim full length garb that covers the whole body. I added the mini skirt part because I think if the abaya is banned that they should consider banning the mini skirt too. I kind of think that birth control pills and mini skirts are somehow linked.

 

[Seekeroftruth55]

An abaya is a Muslim full length garb that covers the whole body. I added the mini skirt part because I think if the abaya is banned that they should consider banning the mini skirt too. I kind of think that birth control pills and mini skirts are somehow linked.

Oh I understand what you mean now. Hmmm I wouldn't doubt that they would be linked to some degree, yes lol in this crazy world, especially!

 

[polymoog]

I see that the wearing of abayas has been banned in French schools. Do you think this is fair? Should people from foreign countries adapt to the western dress code if they want to be accepted in society?

i dont think this issue has to do with people from foreign countries, as this is a religious issue, not a migrant issue.

there was a law passed in 2004 where all religious articles were banned from schools. that not only included islamic head scarves, but jewish yarmulkas and big crosses. i think this specialized gown, worn specifically by muslim women, falls into that category. this is similar to the hebrew tallis, and if it is worn outwardly, should also be banned.

either everyone in the school gets to wear whatever OR all the school kids go to school with no outward religious affiliation. i think for a public school, the kids should not be flaunting their religious 'flair'. if they wish to, a religious school is best for them, and certainly they can do this outside of the classroom. the public school is for non-religious learning only. the less distinction between the children the better.

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my opinion is for the public school system only. outside of that, people can wear whatever the hell they want as long as their genitals are not exposed (nude beaches or nude establishments would be exempt).

 

[Lurking009]

I see that the wearing of abayas has been banned in French schools. Do you think this is fair? Should people from foreign countries adapt to the western dress code if they want to be accepted in society?

It's fair for France since they're free to set their own laws. I'm totally for strict school uniforms, anyway. They level the playing field and set boundaries.

I don't think immigrants have to adopt western dress codes to fit in, but neither do they have the right to force or demand their standards upon the host country.

 

[polymoog]

I don't think immigrants have to adopt western dress codes to fit in, but neither do they have the right to force or demand their standards upon the host country.

what happens when they are the majority in their host country?

 

[Lurking009]

what happens when they are the majority in their host country?

Edit since I saw what you were referencing: Why would it matter if they were the majority? An immigrant should respect their host country's laws, culture, and standards. Doesn't mean they can't maintain their own culture and practices as long as it's within the law.

 

[ToxicFemininitySucks]

To answer the thread topic question, no, miniskirts would not be next because they actually lead to degeneracy. If anything, i could see them banning long skirts since the law in question is about banning an "outwardly religious" appearance, not explicitly an anti-muslim or pro-western law.

Should people adapt to western dress codes? If western is synonymous with degenerate (miniskirts or wearing a bra as a shirt, for example), then absolutely not. As long as it's not degenerate, i don't care either way.

I'm not gonna be wearing an abaya or hijab, but i believe in covering up and under france's law that would affect more conservative Christians too. I think a few years ago there was a story about Muslim women at the beach in france getting asked to either take off their coverings or leave. That is similar to how some Christians in the US have been harassed for swimming while wearing more clothing.


Last thing, to make it FAIR - and truly "secular" - how about picking on EVERY religion?

For example, do their schools promote yoga the way some schools do here in the US (i know this is troll bait, but this needs to be said)? Because that is a religious thing. It's ridiculous if people are picking exclusively on Abrahamic faiths, while giving all the occultish religions a pass, claiming they're "secular". Hmm, seems like maybe the elites are promoting them...

Are people allowed to wear stuff like this? Because this promotes a religion just as much as women wearing abayas or people wearing crosses.

 

[polymoog]

Are people allowed to wear stuff like this? Because this promotes a religion just as much as women wearing abayas or people wearing crosses.

these also should be banned, but i dont know of a lot of hindus and buddhists living in france, which is why they werent mentioned.

 

[polymoog]

Edit since I saw what you were referencing: Why would it matter if they were the majority? An immigrant should respect their host country's laws, culture, and standards. Doesn't mean they can't maintain their own culture and practices as long as it's within the law.

when the host countrys people become the minority, do you think immigrants will maintain the original culture and standards?

 

[ToxicFemininitySucks]

these also should be banned, but i dont know of a lot of hindus and buddhists living in france, which is why they werent mentioned.

Yeah, from what i understand france's emphasis on secularism was originally about preventing too much catholic influence.

I'm just of the opinion that if the goal is truly secularism then the goal is a form of atheism. Not exchanging God for the "gods" that some eastern religions worship, especially when aspects of these religions get relabeled as "secular" (stuff like yoga and meditation, for example) in order to push them on the population.

That's not secularism, that's giving these religions preferential treatment.

 

[polymoog]

especially when aspects of these religions get relabeled as "secular" (stuff like yoga and meditation, for example)

are yoga and meditation religious in the first place?

i did a 10 day vipassana in chennai. no mention of god during the whole time (there wasnt a lot of mentioning of anything, really, since it was a silent meditation). i think they were both incorporated into religious practices but are not restricted to religious activities.
i suppose it would be similar to fasting. religious people practice it, but a health conscious person might do a fast without the religious aspect to it.

 

[Lizard King]

are yoga and meditation religious in the first place?

i did a 10 day vipassana in chennai. no mention of god during the whole time (there wasnt a lot of mentioning of anything, really, since it was a silent meditation). i think they were both incorporated into religious practices but are not restricted to religious activities.
i suppose it would be similar to fasting. religious people practice it, but a health conscious person might do a fast without the religious aspect to it.

What is a 10 day vipassana in Chennai?

 

[Lurking009]

when the host countrys people become the minority, do you think immigrants will maintain the original culture and standards?

That depends on the "immigrants", doesn't it? If they have broken the law to be in a new country, chances are high they will break other laws and not respect the citizens or the culture. They are invading, not immigrating.

Edit to add: A governments duty and loyalty should be to the citizens first, therefore even if immigrants were to outnumber the citizens, the government should ensure the laws are enforced and existing culture is maintained and protected.

I've lived in several countries myself. I would never dream of entering illegally, breaking the law, or changing the existing culture. I would also never visit - much less live in - a country where I could not comply with their laws due to religious restrictions. That would be wrong on my part.

 

[Lizard King]

That depends on the "immigrants", doesn't it? If they have broken the law to be in a new country, chances are high they will break other laws and not respect the citizens or the culture. They are invading, not immigrating.

I've lived in several countries myself. I would never dream of entering illegally, breaking the law, or changing the existing culture. I would also never visit - much less live - in a country where I could not comply with their laws due to religious restrictions. That would be wrong on my part.

The CDC is strangely silent about the health hazards that is coming across our southern border with all the invaders. They don't have to be vaccinated either but citizens do? It is so insane that it's hard to grasp.

 

[Lurking009]

Yeah, from what i understand france's emphasis on secularism was originally about preventing too much catholic influence.

I'm just of the opinion that if the goal is truly secularism then the goal is a form of atheism. Not exchanging God for the "gods" that some eastern religions worship, especially when aspects of these religions get relabeled as "secular" (stuff like yoga and meditation, for example) in order to push them on the population.

That's not secularism, that's giving these religions preferential treatment.

I guess I'm looking at this a bit differently. Every country has the right to set their own laws, and therefore I don't think the term fairness is quite applicable. We may not agree with their law, but it is what it is and I don't have the right to tell another country what their laws should be. What seems unfair to us may be fair to them and what they experience on a daily basis.

 

[Lurking009]

The CDC is strangely silent about the health hazards that is coming across our southern border with all the invaders. They don't have to be vaccinated either but citizens do? It is so insane that it's hard to grasp.

Well exactly, and we all know the reason why. Many governments have abandoned their duty to protect and serve their citizens first and are instead operating under a global agenda.

 

[Daze]

To answer the thread topic question, no, miniskirts would not be next because they actually lead to degeneracy. If anything, i could see them banning long skirts since the law in question is about banning an "outwardly religious" appearance, not explicitly an anti-muslim or pro-western law.

Should people adapt to western dress codes? If western is synonymous with degenerate (miniskirts or wearing a bra as a shirt, for example), then absolutely not. As long as it's not degenerate, i don't care either way.

I'm not gonna be wearing an abaya or hijab, but i believe in covering up and under france's law that would affect more conservative Christians too. I think a few years ago there was a story about Muslim women at the beach in france getting asked to either take off their coverings or leave. That is similar to how some Christians in the US have been harassed for swimming while wearing more clothing.


Last thing, to make it FAIR - and truly "secular" - how about picking on EVERY religion?

For example, do their schools promote yoga the way some schools do here in the US (i know this is troll bait, but this needs to be said)? Because that is a religious thing. It's ridiculous if people are picking exclusively on Abrahamic faiths, while giving all the occultish religions a pass, claiming they're "secular". Hmm, seems like maybe the elites are promoting them...

Are people allowed to wear stuff like this? Because this promotes a religion just as much as women wearing abayas or people wearing crosses.

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It was called a burkini. Covered the entire body like a scuba suit does. Since it showed no skin France banned it.

The hijab is also banned in France to my knowledge. Interesting how its impossible to find a depiction of Mary, mother of Jesus without hijab.

You make a good point with yoga suits. It really comes down to a pious persons perspective against a godless one.

One wants to do what God ordained. The other wants to fulfill his desires.

Essentially its an attack on modesty. Nothing more.



I expect France to take a dive in the coming years. Not only because they are against what God sent down, but because the situation in Africa is changing.

Past few years multiple counties have evicted Framce with various coups. Niger being the most recent.

Soon they will have to start paying for resources instead of stealing them.

 

[polymoog]

What is a 10 day vipassana in Chennai?

10 day silent buddhist meditation. i happened to do it in chennai, india, while on vacation. you go in, sign some paperwork that youre not on any drugs for mental illnesses, etc., then are given your room. theres a whole regimen to follow. right after orientation, there is no more talking to anyone or looking at anyone in the eyes (except the instructors WHEN directed) until the course is finished. 6 am rise, 630 first mediation, instruction, breakfast, meditation, lunch, free hour, meditation, dinner, medidation, watch a video by SN goenka, then bed; lights out at 10.
its all free; they rely on private donations. there are a few in CA. https://www.dhamma.org/en/locations/directory#US

basically, you are taught to stay still and silent and simply 'observe'. observe every tiny sensation you have while you are breathing in and out. the point is to get a position where your mind is finally quiet of any thoughts. at that point, things that have bothered you subconsciously in the past finally rise to the surface and are purged-- things you had long since dismissed.
with continued practice, you get to a point where you have no more emotional baggage and nothing fazes you. you have no emotional reaction and can calmly process everything.

there was a canadian there who was seated up near the front. (men and women are separated to keep the sexual thoughts free of your mind). by the 3rd day of not talking with this intense work, it was getting a bit heavy. we were meditating for hours. at about 1030, while we were all seated on the floor, the canadian pops up, and shouted something in french. he then scrambled up to the guru at the front of the hall and physically shook him, saying something like, "i understand!!! i get it!!!" the guru did not flinch at ALL. he said, "SIT DOWN." the canadian kept ranting and finally the assistant helpers escorted him off to his room to rest. later, he lost his mind entirely-- he was staring up at the sky, hopping on one leg-- and they called an ambulance and took him away.
after the course was over, i asked a few people around me what happened. the guy next to me turned out to be a dutchman, so he didnt know what he said, nor did the south african guy in front of me. i finally heard that he was there with a canadian woman who explained that he had mental problems in the past and the course was too much for him.

for me, it was a great experience, and i would like to do it again. i highly recommend it, but the first few days are NOT easy. you need some mental fortitude, and some people crack.