Hugo Chávez

Etagloc

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Interesting video!:)
I simply don't believe Hugo Chávez worked for the Illuminati. You have organic resistance and you have controlled opposition. I think a lot of the people in Latin American history were genuine idealists. Chávez , Oscar Romero, Zapata, Flores Magón, Che etc.

I say this because what they gain from their efforts? They were all killed. The United States wants to basically treat Latin America like a giant colony. This has been going on since the fall of Spanish imperialism. I mean you look at Simon Bolivar... Simon Bolivar would be to Latin America sort of like Marcus Garvey to put it in terms people might be more familiar with. Bolivarism is basically the Latin American equivalent of pan-Africanism. Pan-Africanism is not a bad idea. I mean, from an outside point of view, it is very clear that pan-Africanism has a potential to contribute to making Africa great. Now of course it could be warped. But you look at radical nationalists in Latin America... a lot of them were killed. Just like radical nationalists from Africa. Kwama Nkrumah for example. Or Huey Newton or Malcolm X from the United States.

I mean Hugo Chávez was for real... he told people the truth and he even predicted his own death. He predicted he was going to be killed for what he was doing. The giant media machine is against Chávez . I admire Chávez .

And the thing is if it's socialism that creates the problems in countries like Venezuela... then what is the necessity of economic warfare? I think it is undeniable that countries like Allende-era Chile, Cuba, Venezuela, etc. are victims of economic warfare. I admit that I don't understand a whole lot about the intricate details of economic warfare but I don't need eight years of college indoctrination to independently reach the conclusion that it's not cool for there to be so many homeless people. The police department is a socialist institution. The fire department is a socialist institution. We do not live under a purely capitalist system. I mean, what would happen if we privatized police departments? Imagine if you could only receive help from the police if you had enough money to pay them. I do think it's true that police take hella longer if you call them in a slum but... even if they take three hours to get there, at least they come eventually. If police departments were privatized, they would not come at all. If the system of Chávez was so wrong then why is Venezuela now experiencing crisis? Why do the flames seem to risen as Donald Trump comes into office? Trump is a white supremacist. He is the devil Malcolm X was referring to. He is the enemy of Latin Americans and anyone who isn't white. And people can say whatever they want but even a lot of conservative Latin people see Donald Trump as the devil and as a racist. His campaign was based a lot on hatred towards Mexicans. Therefore- I mean it's just common sense that Trump and his people that sponsor the Venezuelan opposition... that the people aligned with Trump should not be trusted. I mean... a person can choose between Chávez , someone willing to die for Latin America and the world... or Trump the Neo-Nazi.

It simply does not make sense, the argument that socialism destroyed Venezuela's economy when clearly neo-colonialist foreigners are waging economic warfare against it. If socialism was this kryptonite that instantly destroyed any economy it touched, then socialism should fall by its own weight- not by outside forces. If outside forces make it topple, then this is clear evidence that the game is rigged. If socialism destroys itself through its own actions rather than outside intervention, then the game is fair but this is not what is seen.

Now, for example, in that How the Illuminati Destroyed Venezuela, it seems to be saying that it was Chávez that destroyed the economy yet also talks about economic warfare waged against. As I've said, if it was actually Chávez, then things should have fell of their own weight. It's clear that the game is rigged if there is economic warfare being waged against the country. Not only economic but psychological warfare.

It also talks about the colectivos as being these... basically like bands of armed thugs. It's so easy to see the propaganda campaign. We look at the article about the colectivos on the English Wikipedia, it is depicted totally differently than how they are depicted on the Spanish wikipedia. Look at the Spanish article and it tells one story, look at the English article it's a totally different way. And how is it depicted in the English article? Basically, they're terrorists. The Spanish one? They are community organizations and they're into cultural activities. The Spanish wikipedia article shows some beautiful colectivo graffiti artwork. The English article doesn't show the beautiful artwork. I mean the fact is, a correct theory when it has reached towards the final summation of issues, should be able to make anomalies explicable. As theories become more aligned with the truth, there should be a reduction of anomalies. If these are just thugs, why the beautiful artwork? The artwork should fit within the narrative that is pushed on the English wikipedia article and in that video... the narrative doesn't really explain the artwork. But the artwork seems to fit if we're talking about cultural associations that would be doing things like artwork. Now, this would make sense if we were going with the narrative of the video if we said "they're thugs who are also into psychological warfare and they do artwork... they are cultured, refined, romantic terrorists who beat up political adversaries and then makes poems about their lovers that they compose as they ride on their horses.". I mean, on the other hand, it would make sense for thugs to be engaged in psychological warfare.... but I've never heard of El Chapo commissioning art. I've never heard of El Chapo ordering cartel members to go spraypaint a pro-narco mural. There are narcocorridos and I've heard a corrido about El Chapo but... I mean... it's just strange. So these colectivos... they go terrorize people and then they make beautiful artwork? I just don't believe it. There's criminals and gangsters in pretty much every society... I mean I'm sure at some point, someone has made a song about Al Capone. But Al Capone did not do what he did and then go and make art- at least not that I know of. People made art about him. Or look at gangster rappers- Nas, for example. I admire Nas' talent and his lyricism but I don't think anyone seriously believes in his "Nas Escobar", drug-kingpin persona. I simply don't believe that these gangster rappers (and I know Nas is not just a gangsta rapper but he does do some of his stuff as gangsta rap, although he sort of makes it more interesting by doing this "spiritual gangster" persona which is why people like him, I think) are drug kingpins who just happen to rap. I think the drug kingpins and the famous rappers are usually two different people.

Look at this speech, for example: I've posted both the English one (first, since this is an English forum) and the Spanish one for wants to listen to him in his owns words and voice without translation



I mean... he gave a very brave speech and told the truth and actually encouraged people to read a book by Noam Chomsky and even held up the book for people. I just don't usually see a president speak in such an intellectual way and in such a way that you can see that he wants to tell people the truth and speaks in a very noble way.

Now maybe he was some sort of Manchurian candidate, maybe he had a double personality and on one hand he would try to enlighten the people and tell the people the truth and open peoples' eyes... but then it was a bait-and-switch... he would use the truth like bait on a hook... even if this was the case, the truth is the truth. It seems very strange to me that the evil plot would be partly an evil plot to enlighten me but even if the enemy is such a super-genius that they've even figured out to how utilize such a strange trick, the truth is the truth regardless and has its own innate value.

I think he was sincere, though. I just don't see how he could have destroyed Venezuela's economy because if he was this lunatic that he is portrayed as, I think he would have done the damage without a need for outside intervention. If outside intervention has to step in and create the damage... I mean, how is that an argument against what he did? Lightning strikes the summits.


 
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I admire Chávez .
Me to,
Is that the conclusion of that video? Apologies, I posted it without analyzing the whole video..
I actually do think he was for real and I am not ant-socialist.
I would prefer to call it sharing,
Sharing is a principal that preceded any European terminology.:).
Africans, Asian and indigenous Americans (and the Europeans originally). shared resources in most of their cultures
I think Chavez was up against systems that could overrun him and as you correctly noted the propaganda machine maligned his efforts and undermined his rule.

A better video:
Against Fox propaganda...
He was a staunch supporter of Palestine:
They discuss Chavez's legacy and death and Venezuela in this video:
 
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One thing I really love about him was that he believed in Latin American unity and loved Latin America but that he also had such connections with the Arab world. I feel like there was a real friendship between him and a lot of people in the Arab world. I actually looked at YouTube in Arabic and I remember being so shocked because I saw an Arabic video that was discussing Hugo Chávez in Arabic. And in his UN speech, he specifically addressed his friends in the Middle East.

I really do think he was a martyr because I think he was killed. He died of cancer just like David McGowan and Bob Marley and he hinself said he felt suspicious about his cancer... I've read about people like the CIA being able to give someone cancer and if you think about it, it would make way more sense than them just assassinating people they old-fashioned way and making them into legends.

It'd strange just how many famous people in general die myserious deaths, though. It's shocking how many seemed to have been taken out.
 

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It'd strange just how many famous people in general die mysterious deaths, though. It's shocking how many seemed to have been taken out.
Agreed, many people think he was killed too.
There is one guy (Mahatir Muhammad)who took on the financial elite in defense of his people and the globalists in defense of Islam and he reminds me of Chavez.
They tried to crash Malaysia with sudden withdrawal of capital (flight capital)

"The financial crisis threatened to devastate Malaysia. The value of the ringgit plummeted due to currency speculation, foreign investment fled, and the main stock exchange index fell by over 75 per cent. At the urging of the International Monetary Fund (IMF), the government cut government spending and raised interest rates, which only served to exacerbate the economic situation. In 1998, Mahathir reversed this policy course in defiance of the IMF and his own deputy, Anwar. He increased government spending and fixed the ringgit to the US dollar. The result confounded his international critics and the IMF. Malaysia recovered from the crisis faster than its Southeast Asian neighbours. In the domestic sphere, it was a political triumph. Amidst the economic events of 1998, Mahathir had dismissed Anwar as finance minister and deputy prime minister, and he could now claim to have rescued the economy in spite of Anwar's policies."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahathir_Mohamad#Economic_development_to_financial_crisis_.281990.E2.80.9398.29

I wonder about those Malay planes? Also, why they opened the forces of treason through politics in Malaysia.
 
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