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the christians say to muslims "we were born in sin and need Jesus to save us"
The muslims respond "every child is born innocent and we only need to ask for Allah's forgiveness sincerely and we are forgiven"
The christians then say "you still have the nature of sin though and it's causing us all this suffering, do you know that we inherited this sinful nature through Adam and that Jesus saved us from it, i am BORN AGAIN"
yet, when christians are all sinning just like the rest of us, they say "oh, Jesus paid the price for my sin, only he is perfect"
they change it to the account of sin rather than the nature of sin.
so which one is it?
ill break this one down.
Firstly, Yahweh, Allah and The Father, whilst really being 'the same God' in the Abrahimic sense ie in that they are essentially based around the same set of theological arguments rooted in THE primordial power..are nonetheless, collective thoughtforms, that is why they need sacrifice. Yahweh was pretty much a mass murdering flawed thoughtform and as time went on, Yahweh became more blood thirsty and required SACRIFICE.
The sacrifice which Jesus represents, however..was not done to appease Yahweh. It was down to create and give life to a new thoughtform, The Father.
Yahweh went on mass murdering, 70AD at the hands of Rome.
Even titus, who oversaw the mass murder of 1m jews in 70AD, said that it was not him, but the jewish God who was using him as an instrument to inflict his wrath on the jews.
so when you read about Jesus 'paying the price', it has nothing to do with your account of sin ie 'paid the price so the slate is wiped clean'.
13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law
it was aboubt saving jews from the wrath of Yahweh, by opening a new thoughtform where sacrifice wasnt required, because Jesus, as the 'fountain of life' became the umbilical cord through which The Father thoughtform is fed.
Aside from that, being saved from our carnal/sinful nature was possible through a spiritual connection to Jesus Christ as branches in the true vine. Then and only then was it possible for the nature of Jesus himself, to permeate in the hearts of christians and thus, murder sin itself at it's root. That would mean the true christians were saintly people.
In the Quran, Surah 18 is named after the storyu of the 7 sleepers, a miracilous event. In the hadith, prophet Mohammad spoke of 'Juraij; ie St George and attributed another miracle to him. These were true christians, respected in islam and on a saint level.
So when i think of 'christianity' in my head im thinking of saints, monastries, monks, nuns, people of renunciation and purity at heart.
when i think of 'xtianity' and 'xtians' im thinking, Jude 1, im thinking david wood, im thinking cufi, joseph hagee, dr anil sharosh etc.i'm thinking of that tamil indian christian who i used to argue with in uni because he tried to flex his bacon in my face, saying 'MMM BACON' whilst being a fat fucking disgusting pig. ie, why was gluttony even in this 'christian'? he told me he was SAVED and doesnt need silly shariah.
furthermore, the symbol of the death of sin itself, was the Cross. The cross was tied to the suffering servant archetype, of passivity.
Rome, aka the BEAST, as the holy roman empire, merged with christendom and turned that cross upside down, which itself is satanic. In doing so, it was murdering the suffering servant archetype. Furthermore, to turn the cross into the sword, was also an attempt to hijack the davidic conquerer archetype.
so 'xtianity' is antichrist shit and is against Jesus..and being part of it, doesnt eliminate the nature of sin at all.
in the end, we're still left with our sinful nature.
The muslims respond "every child is born innocent and we only need to ask for Allah's forgiveness sincerely and we are forgiven"
The christians then say "you still have the nature of sin though and it's causing us all this suffering, do you know that we inherited this sinful nature through Adam and that Jesus saved us from it, i am BORN AGAIN"
yet, when christians are all sinning just like the rest of us, they say "oh, Jesus paid the price for my sin, only he is perfect"
they change it to the account of sin rather than the nature of sin.
so which one is it?
ill break this one down.
Firstly, Yahweh, Allah and The Father, whilst really being 'the same God' in the Abrahimic sense ie in that they are essentially based around the same set of theological arguments rooted in THE primordial power..are nonetheless, collective thoughtforms, that is why they need sacrifice. Yahweh was pretty much a mass murdering flawed thoughtform and as time went on, Yahweh became more blood thirsty and required SACRIFICE.
The sacrifice which Jesus represents, however..was not done to appease Yahweh. It was down to create and give life to a new thoughtform, The Father.
Yahweh went on mass murdering, 70AD at the hands of Rome.
Even titus, who oversaw the mass murder of 1m jews in 70AD, said that it was not him, but the jewish God who was using him as an instrument to inflict his wrath on the jews.
so when you read about Jesus 'paying the price', it has nothing to do with your account of sin ie 'paid the price so the slate is wiped clean'.
13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law
it was aboubt saving jews from the wrath of Yahweh, by opening a new thoughtform where sacrifice wasnt required, because Jesus, as the 'fountain of life' became the umbilical cord through which The Father thoughtform is fed.
Aside from that, being saved from our carnal/sinful nature was possible through a spiritual connection to Jesus Christ as branches in the true vine. Then and only then was it possible for the nature of Jesus himself, to permeate in the hearts of christians and thus, murder sin itself at it's root. That would mean the true christians were saintly people.
In the Quran, Surah 18 is named after the storyu of the 7 sleepers, a miracilous event. In the hadith, prophet Mohammad spoke of 'Juraij; ie St George and attributed another miracle to him. These were true christians, respected in islam and on a saint level.
So when i think of 'christianity' in my head im thinking of saints, monastries, monks, nuns, people of renunciation and purity at heart.
when i think of 'xtianity' and 'xtians' im thinking, Jude 1, im thinking david wood, im thinking cufi, joseph hagee, dr anil sharosh etc.i'm thinking of that tamil indian christian who i used to argue with in uni because he tried to flex his bacon in my face, saying 'MMM BACON' whilst being a fat fucking disgusting pig. ie, why was gluttony even in this 'christian'? he told me he was SAVED and doesnt need silly shariah.
furthermore, the symbol of the death of sin itself, was the Cross. The cross was tied to the suffering servant archetype, of passivity.
Rome, aka the BEAST, as the holy roman empire, merged with christendom and turned that cross upside down, which itself is satanic. In doing so, it was murdering the suffering servant archetype. Furthermore, to turn the cross into the sword, was also an attempt to hijack the davidic conquerer archetype.
so 'xtianity' is antichrist shit and is against Jesus..and being part of it, doesnt eliminate the nature of sin at all.
in the end, we're still left with our sinful nature.
