Those who will not LIVE by The Law will DIE by The Law

[lightseeker]

What was shared with you was a direct quote from Christ-Jesus Who, as He said, is The Truth.

Why would you quote a bunch of liars, who not only didn't live by The Law, but plotted and manipulated the murder of Jesus, and put their false accusations on par with the truth that Jesus told us about them?

Jesus said that NONE of them were actually keeping The Law and that they were trying to kill Him among numerous other crimes against the people. Of course they didn't have the Love of God in them anymore than anyone else who obstinately refuses to obey God and His Law?

ANYONE WHO ARGUES AGAINST GOD AND HIS CHRIST, AND REFUSES TO KEEP THE LAW/COMMANDMENTS THAT GOD GAVE US VERY OBVIOUSLY HAS NO LOVE FOR GOD NOR FOR CHRIST.

Stop e-yelling bro. The issue is you don't understand what the law is, you think it's a bunch of rules, like the pharisees

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

@A Freeman - cut to it - do you accept the sufficiency of the atoning sacrifice of Jesus on the cross for your sins (and mine) or do you reject it?

 

[A Freeman]

Cutting to the chase...

@Red Sky at Morning:

Hint - the scribes and Pharisees kept the law.

Christ, to the scribes and pharisees (and the rest of the "Jews"):

John 7:19 Did not Moses give you The Law, and [yet] NONE of you keepeth The Law? Why go ye about to kill me?

Why did you feel the need to lie/bear false witness against Christ @Red Sky at Morning if not to deceive others? Or do you believe breaking The Law by bearing false witness against Christ is somehow evidence of "knowing Christ" (John 17:3), or being "born again" (1 John 3:9), or of being "filled with the Holy Spirit" (Acts 5:32)?

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and ALL LIARS, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with Fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

 

[A Freeman]

A World Full of Kleptomaniacs

Theft is interlaced with lying, evil and The Curses of The Law. Redemption is interlaced with doing the right thing and following Christ.

gibraltar-messenger.net

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Cutting to the chase...

@Red Sky at Morning:

Christ, to the scribes and pharisees (and the rest of the "Jews"):

Why did you feel the need to lie/bear false witness against Christ @Red Sky at Morning if not to deceive others? Or do you believe breaking The Law by bearing false witness against Christ is somehow evidence of "knowing Christ" (John 17:3) being "born again" (1 John 3:9), or of being "filled with the Holy Spirit" (Acts 5:32)?

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and ALL LIARS, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with Fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

You didn’t cut to the chase. Try again.

 

[A Freeman]

You didn’t cut to the chase. Try again.

More lies?

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

More lies?

insofar as a direct question is a lie?

 

[A Freeman]

According to our Creator, anyone who isn’t striving with all of their heart, soul, mind and strength to keep The Law, does NOT know God nor Christ (John 17:3; 1 John 2:3-5) nor has accepted His Sacrifice (2 Cor. 5:17, 1 Pet. 2:24-25), nor has accepted the New Covenant (Jer. 31:31-34; Heb. 8:7-12), nor has been truly reborn from above (1 John 3:9), regardless of whatever mistaken beliefs to the contrary they may imagine (Gen. 6:5).

Do NOT be fooled; we can and MUST awaken and change our sinful, evil ways, and have been provided all of the heavenly help we need to do so.

 

[A Freeman]

insofar as a direct question is a lie?

Your question has been already answered multiple times in this thread including in the very post that you ignored, which addresses the crux of the problem.

Those who will not LIVE by The Law will DIE by The Law

What was shared with you was a direct quote from Christ-Jesus Who, as He said, is The Truth. Why would you quote a bunch of liars, who not only didn't live by The Law, but plotted and manipulated the murder of Jesus, and put their false accusations on par with the truth that Jesus told us about...

vigilantcitizenforums.com

You have yet to answer the questions asked of you about Matthew 5:17-20 (see also: Luke 16:17), where Christ plainly stated that The Law will NEVER pass away, and thus is still in effect today, which you also lie about and argue against.

Until you address (face) the lies, you will continue to see everything upside down and backwards, mistakenly believing good is evil and evil is good, and that what is right is wrong, etc. You don't seem to see that by lying to others in falsely claiming that the scribes and pharisees kept The Law, when they very obviously did NOT keep The Law but kept their own traditions instead (as Christ told us on multiple occasions), you are attempting to claim that The Law that God gave us somehow was used to murder Jesus, which is not only absolutely ridiculous but an insult to our Perfect, Holy, Just and Good God.

Keeping The Law is the ONLY Way to truly accept Christ's Sacrifice. Anyone who isn't keeping The Law/Commandments of God doesn't know Christ, doesn't love Christ, hasn't accepted Christ's Sacrifice, hasn't been "born again" as Christ COMMANDED, and very obviously isn't filled with the Holy Spirit. This isn't my "opinion"; this is what The Word of God has to say on the matter.

 

[A Freeman]

The COMMAND from Christ to be born again (from God above) as your true, spiritual self:-

John 3:3-7
3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born from above, he cannot SEE The Kingdom of God.
3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water (human) and then is born (later) from above as his spirit-"Being" (his REAL self which is NOT human), he can NOT enter into The Kingdom of God (Who is a Spirit-"Being").
3:6 That which is born of the flesh is human; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit (a spirit-"Being") - (a human+Being).
3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye MUST be born again.

How Scripture defines sin:-

1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also The Law: for sin is the transgression of The Law.

How Scripture defines being "born again from above/born again of God":-

1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for His seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

How Scripture defines the prerequisite for receiving the Holy Spirit, which God gives in measure to those who obey Him:-

Acts 5:32 And we are His witnesses of these things; and [so is] also the Holy Spirit, whom God hath given to them that OBEY Him.

John 4:23-24
4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in Spirit and in Truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship Him.
4:24 God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship Him must worship [Him] with their spirit (Being) and IN TRUTH.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Your question has been already answered multiple times in this thread and in the very post that you ignored that addresses.

Those who will not LIVE by The Law will DIE by The Law

What was shared with you was a direct quote from Christ-Jesus Who, as He said, is The Truth. Why would you quote a bunch of liars, who not only didn't live by The Law, but plotted and manipulated the murder of Jesus, and put their false accusations on par with the truth that Jesus told us about...

vigilantcitizenforums.com

You have yet to answer the questions asked of you about Matthew 5:17-20 (see also: Luke 16:17), where Christ plainly stated that The Law will NEVER pass away, and thus is still in effect today, which you also lie about and argue against.

Until you address (face) the lies, you will continue to see everything upside down and backwards, mistakenly believing good is evil and evil is good, and that what is right is wrong, etc. You don't seem to see that by lying to others in falsely claiming that the scribes and pharisees kept The Law, when they very obviously did NOT keep The Law but kept their own traditions instead (as Christ told us on multiple occasions), you are attempting to claim that The Law that God gave us somehow was used to murder Jesus, which is not only absolutely ridiculous but an insult to our Perfect, Holy, Just and Good God.

Keeping The Law is the ONLY Way to truly accept Christ's Sacrifice. Anyone who isn't keeping The Law/Commandments of God doesn't know Christ, doesn't love Christ, hasn't accepted Christ's Sacrifice, hasn't been "born again" as Christ COMMANDED, and very obviously isn't filled with the Holy Spirit. This isn't my "opinion"; this is what The Word of God has to say on the matter.

Let me be as clear as possible to avoid misunderstanding then:

God’s Law (standards) are unchanging.

God wants us to follow His standards.

Nobody does - the Law was the schoolmaster to show us that.

We were in a predicament, needing grace but deserving wrath.

God sent His son as the perfect sacrifice.

Faith in Jesus alone is sufficient for salvation.

1 John 1v9 is essential to our walk with the Lord.

Having received salvation, God’s desire for us is sanctification.

Hence, while Christians are not “under” the Law for salvation, we are dead to sin and alive to God through the Holy Spirit.

The nature of the Holy Spirit within leads us towards holy actions, including the desire to live holy lives.

Hence, once saved, we are exhorted to walk after the Spirit and put to death the deeds of the Flesh.

 

[A Freeman]

Everyone has the opportunity right now to awaken spiritually, humble themselves and begin to rid themselves of sin by beginning to keep The Law.

Do NOT believe the liars and the scoffers, who falsely claim that it's allegedly impossible; WITH God ALL things are possible, and keeping His Law is NOT grievous. The moment someone sets their mind, soul, heart and strength upon a course of self-discipline and obedience to God, God WILL help, guide and bless them every step of The Way, exactly as Christ teaches.

The hour is late and the Grace of God awaits each and every one of us, to turn from our sinful and evil ways. We have a world absolutely FILLED with hatred, violence, oppression and injustice, all because of our stubborn and obstinate refusal to accept the truth -- that God knows better than all of us and that He gave us His Law to protect us from all of this evil. It's time to take personal responsibility for our own actions, and start DOING as we have been COMMANDED to do for our own benefit.

There is no other Way to God than through Christ. Believe Christ's TRUE Teachings. Follow Christ's Example. Draw closer to God through unswerving dedication and service to God, which begins with obedience to His Perfect Law of Liberty.

THIS is The Way.

 

[A Freeman]

Let me be as clear as possible to avoid misunderstanding then:

What was shared with you earlier about the lies wasn't a misunderstanding; it was shared to bring it to your attention, for your benefit. Do NOT let your "self" pretend you were "misunderstood", which it does to hide its lies, to prevent you from confessing and addressing them.

God’s Law (standards) are unchanging.

Correct. And God's Law is PERFECT, Holy, Just and Good, just as God is.

God wants us to follow His standards.

Correct. God would like for each of us to come home, and there simply is no other way to do that other than through total obedience to God as Christ teaches.

Nobody does - the Law was the schoolmaster to show us that.

Nobody, except Enoch has (proving it is possible). Just because nobody else does however does NOT mean nobody else can, because all of us CAN and MUST keep The Law, as Christ teaches. We must learn to strive for perfection (Matt. 5:48) which, in turn, brings about a state of constant spiritual growth, because there is always room for improvement.

The most important lesson from The Law is that obedience to The Law is the ONLY Way to secure God's Blessings, up to and including Eternal Life. Anyone who does otherwise (refuses to repent and thus remains a sinner/criminal) is still under The Curse of The Law, which is the penalty clause for not keeping The Law.

Until this lesson from the schoolmaster is clearly understood, it is impossible to be brought to Christ. And everyone that refuses to learn this lesson is still under [the curse of] The Law (the penalty clause for not keeping The Law). Please read Deuteronomy 28.

We were in a predicament, needing grace but deserving wrath.

We were given 4000 years to learn to listen to and obey God, and thus turn from our sinful/evil, worldly ways (repent), and yet we were all still under the curse of The Law for our continued stiif-necked rebellion against God and His Law. So God sent us His Son (Christ) to show us The Way each of us NEED to be to avoid eternal damnation in The Fire, and to pay the price for our PAST sins (Rom. 3:25).

This ONE-TIME GIFT was graciously provided, along with 2000 years to learn from Christ's Teachings and Life Example and turn from our sinful/evil, worldly ways (repent). How could anyone not be driven to their knees by the sacrifice that Father made in sending His Christ into this evil place, and the agony and sacrifice that Christ suffered and endured not only on the cross but for the entire 40 years He walked the Earth in the body of Jesus, subjected to human limitations and to all of the hate we directed toward Him?

This entire world hates Christ (Truth). Why? Because He exposes our evil deeds, and most do not want to face their evil deeds and change their evil ways (John 3:19-21).

The 2000 year grace period we've been given to come to our senses, remember and return to God and His Law is almost up.

God sent His son as the perfect sacrifice.

Which wouldn't have been necessary if only we had kept The Law (Heb. 8:7-12). And which sacrifice (Christ's Sacrifice) has not been accepted as long as we continue in bondage to sin (breaking The Law).

Faith in Jesus alone is sufficient for salvation.

The works/fruits that are inseparably the result of that Faith are obedience to God and His Law, and learning discipline and "self" sacrifice to overcome one's own ego. It is the ego/"self" that cons us into mistakenly believing that we can pretend to have "faith" (trust in God) while at the very same time proving we have no faith by doing the exact opposite of what God COMMANDS us to do for our own individual and collective benefit.

A small child looks to its parents firmly believing that they know better about everything and will love and protect them against evil, and thus need to be obeyed. We MUST become as little children, KNOWING Father can and will protect us and bless us, as long as we DO as we have lovingly been told to do so that we can all play nicely together.

1 John 1v9 is essential to our walk with the Lord.

One cannot claim to have confessed their sins and to be walking with The Lord without addressing those sins by putting an end to them, as the rest of the first letter of John points out.

Having received salvation, God’s desire for us is sanctification.

And the only way to sanctify oneself is to keep The Law which, as the Scriptures tell us, is Perfect, Holy, Just and Good (Rom. 7:12-16) and will clean us IF we return to keeping The Law (Ps. 19:7-11).

If we don't do that, then we are again making ourselves prisoners of sin, making Christ's sacrifice to free us from sin of no effect (Heb. 10:26-29)

Hence, while Christians are not “under” the Law for salvation, we are dead to sin and alive to God through the Holy Spirit.

Every single "Christian" today is still under [the curse of] The Law because of their stubborn refusal to obey God and His Law ONLY.

God doesn't give His Holy Spirit to those whose vessels are so filled up with sin/evil that there is no room for it (Mark 2:22; Acts 5:32).

The nature of the Holy Spirit within leads us towards holy actions, including the desire to live holy lives.

And the outward expression (fruit/action) of someone who is filled with and motivated by the Holy Spirit is the keeping of The Law. There is no other way to love one's neighbour as much or more than oneself.

Hence, once saved, we are exhorted to walk after the Spirit and put to death the deeds of the Flesh.

None of us have been "saved" (John 3:13) because we haven't walked after the Spirit and put to death the deeds of the flesh. The only way to put the deeds of the flesh to death is by keeping The Law and learning from it humility, discipline and "self"-sacrifice (Matt. 10:38, Mark 8:34, Luke 9:23, Luke 14:26-27, Gal. 2:20, Sura 6:162, Sura 92:18-21).


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[Red Sky at Morning]

@A Freeman - you may not, in a sense, have answered my questions, but in another way, you certainly have.

Romans 6 opens with “shall we continue to sin that grace may abound?” It is clear that preaching the Gospel brought Paul up against this accusation, as though Paul was happy to carry on sinning? This seems to be your theme as well.

If someone is not scandalised by grace, they have not understood it. If someone is not transformed by grace, they have never received it.

btw

I wonder what you differences you understand between the Baptism of John and the Baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus?

Acts 19

19 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,​

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2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.​

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3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.​

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4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.​

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5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.​

 

[A Freeman]

@A Freeman - you may not, in a sense, have answered my questions, but in another way, you certainly have.

Please stop pretending your questions haven't been answered in truth and with specificity, just because you choose to ignore the answers. It is you who have hypocritically evaded the questions asked of you about Matthew 5:17-20.

Romans 6 opens with “shall we continue to sin that grace may abound?” It is clear that preaching the Gospel brought Paul up against this accusation, as though Paul was happy to carry on sinning? This seems to be your theme as well.

Romans 6 very clearly begins by putting to rest the false assumption that Paul allegedly did away with The Law, when Paul had no authority whatsoever to do so, nor did he do so. To suggest otherwise would require one to believe that Paul was contradicting all of God's Prophets, Christ, the Disciples, all of the rest of the Apostles, and even Paul himself.

Again, here is what the first two verses actually say:-

Romans 6:1-2
6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin (breaking The Law - 1 John 3:4), that grace may abound?
6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

"God forbid" means there is no possible way for grace to grow and multiply inside someone while they continue in sin (breaking The Law). That's why Paul said in the very next chapter that The Law/Commandments of God are holy, just and good and that he himself was keeping The Law.

Being "dead to sin" means overcoming/crucifying the "self" until it is dead and can no longer do its own selfish will instead of God's Will, which is why they can no longer live in sin.

If someone is not scandalised by grace, they have not understood it. If someone is not transformed by grace, they have never received it.

Agreed. Just look at how many have come and attacked God's Message of Truth about His Perfect Law, pretending that the keeping of His Law/Commandments is allegedly "the condemnation and death" or "trying to save yourself" or claiming that grace can somehow proliferate at the same time that sin continues, which God has told us is impossible, and that anyone who keeps His Law will receive His Blessings.

btw

I wonder what you differences you understand between the Baptism of John and the Baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus?

Acts 19

19 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,​

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2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.​

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3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.​

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4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.​

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5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.​

Thank-you for asking.

Two observation feel noteworthy and worth sharing.

First, just as they did with 1 John 5:7-8, the Roman Catholic church added the trinitarian wording to Matthew 28:19, claiming Jesus allegedly Commanded His Disciples to baptize "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost". How can we be absolutely certain that wording was not part of the original text of that verse? Because IF that were true, then Jesus' Disciples and all of the Apostles had a dismal track-record of 100% disobedience, as not a single one of them baptized in any name other than "Jesus", which literally means "YHWH is Salvation" (or, in English, "The "I AM" is Salvation").

A nice write-up on this may be found at the link below:-

Was Matthew 28:19 Added To The Bible

Does Matthew 29:19 have added text and do we baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost or into the name of Jesus Christ only?

www.trinitytruth.org

Secondly, just as Roman Catholicism did with "Holy Communion" (communication with God), Roman Catholicism turned baptism into yet another worthless ritual, which most if not all Protestant denomination have similarly adopted.

John the Baptist, who baptized with water, stated the following:

Matthew 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Spirit, and [with] FIRE:

Luke 3:16 John answered, saying unto [them] all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with FIRE:

The Apostles recognized and confirmed this important difference, as is recorded in Acts 1:5.

Fire obviously burns out impurities (sin), and is talked about doing so throughout Scripture. Sin/selfishness must be emptied (removed) for the Holy Spirit to dwell within, which is why God metes out His Holy Spirit based solely upon obedience to God and the doing of God's Will (John 14:15-18; Acts 5:29-32).

So why do the churches still baptize with water? WATER PUTS OUT FIRE.

If we are truly baptized in Christ, then His Fire will burn out our impurities, so that the Holy Spirit may do its perfect work, writing Father's Law into our hearts and minds so that we never forget it again.

We therefore have a simple choice: Christ's fiery baptism or The Fire.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

@A Freeman - are you of the view that your personal holiness exceeds that of other people identifying as Christians?

 

[Artful Revealer]

Does anyone else feel like a cat watching a mouse explain to the cat what it's like to be a cat?

 

[Artful Revealer]

Ok, just me then.

 

[JFO2]

Does anyone else feel like a cat watching a mouse explain to the cat what it's like to be a cat?

No, it feels more like watching a cartoon dog sitting inside a burning building, saying “this is fine”.

 

[lightseeker]

This really shows bad reading comprehension on your part a freeman.

-pharisees were absolute radical fanatics about keeping the rules they called called “the law”, they were zealots (this word comes from what they were called)
-jesus said they didn’t keep the law
-so what is the law Jesus (someone asked him this)
-it’s to love God

yet you think he meant they didn’t follow the rules like what clothes to wear. They did. It really can’t be laid out any clearer than this, I know you will respond with a bot like wall of bold capital letters but it’s literally clear as day again.