One clarification from a Christian perspective (at least as far as I can tell) - nothing human agency can accomplish (debatably apart from fulfilling the Great Commission) can do anything to hasten eschatological events.
Are you using Trigger logic on purpose?
This has been explained multiple times on these forums, far more eloquently than I'd ever be able to do.People speculate, but given the specific miracles they are empowered to perform, many think they will be Moses and Elijah. Others think Enoch and Elijah as Moses died, but the other two were taken. Others think two as yet unidentified people.
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Who are the two witnesses in the book of Revelation? Are the two witnesses Moses and Elijah or Enoch and Elijah?www.gotquestions.org
Others try to “spiritualise” them, making them representative of wider groups, but I think that is weak hermeneutics as the context doesn’t suggest it.
This has also been explained multiple times by forum contributors far more eloquently than I would be able to, and has even been explained already in this thread.
People tend to evolve their world views out of the facts they believe to be true. The above is asserted frequently on this site as justification for the position it would seem the majority of posters here hold to.
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Well, at least you have set out your view, and if things are as close as some believe, it may be that at least some of us will get to find out the correct interpretation first hand.
they should use their college fees for a ticket to gaza and see how well they are received by hamas LOL
True Israel, British Israelism is no claim. its fact. It would probably be impossible for all of the 100s of scriptural marks and historic links, right down to the Royal Family's pageantry even having the Judah and Ephraim tribal emblems, and a fake Jacob's pillar underneath the coronation chair..those facts alone should be enough to convince any doubter, at surface value.People tend to evolve their world views out of the facts they believe to be true. The above is asserted frequently on this site as justification for the position it would seem the majority of posters here hold to.
I have also studied the history of the region and of the truth or otherwise in the “lost tribes” claim.
The Faithful Voted With Their Feet
Before the Assyrian captivity, substantial numbers from the northern tribes had identified themselves with the house of David.2 The rebellion of Jeroboam and subsequent crises caused many to repudiate the Northern Kingdom and unite with the Southern Kingdom in a common alliance to the house of David and a desire to worship the Lord in Jerusalem.3
In 930 b.c., Jeroboam ruled the Northern Kingdom from his capital in Samaria.4 When Jeroboam turned the Northern Kingdom to idolatry, the Levites (and others who desired to remain faithful) migrated south to Rehoboam.5
Horrified that Jeroboam had set up a rival religion with golden calf worship at Bethel and Dan, many Northerners moved south, knowing that the only place acceptable to God was the Temple on Mt. Moriah.6 Those who favored idolatry migrated north to Jeroboam.
Later, when Asa reigned as king in the south, another great company came from the north.7
Years after the deportation by Assyria, King Hezekiah of Judah issued a call to all Israel to come and worship in Jerusalem and celebrate the Passover.8 Eighty years later King Josiah of Judah also issued a call, and an offering for the Temple was received from "Manasseh and Ephraim and all the remnant of Israel...."9
Eventually, all 12 tribes were represented in the south. God even addresses the 12 tribes in the south: "Speak unto Rehoboam the son of Solomon, king of Judah, and to all Israel in Judah and Benjamin...."10
The "tribe of Judah" (2 Kings 17:18, et al.) is used idiomatically for the Southern Kingdom.11 When encountering the tribal designations, it is important to distinguish between the territories allocated to the tribes and the people themselves.
The Northern Kingdom Falls
In 724 b.c. Shalmaneser V besieged Samaria for three years. King Hoshea of Israel attempted to revolt against paying Assyrians annual tribute money--a treaty with Pharaoh of Egypt did not help 12--and Samaria, Jeroboam's capital, fell in 722 b.c. with Sargon II seizing power in 721 b.c.
The Assyrians implemented their infamous policy of mixing conquered peoples to keep them from organizing a revolt. Israelite captives were mixed with Persians and others, and strangers from far-off lands were resettled in Samaria. The resulting mixed, quasi-Jewish populations became the "Samaritans."13 (You can read about this "fall" in 2 Kings 17.)
Not all from the Northern Kingdom were deported. Archaeologists have uncovered annals of the Assyrian Sargon, in which he tells that he carried away only 27,290 people and 50 chariots.14
Population estimates of the Northern Kingdom at that time range from 400,000 to 500,000; less than 1/20th were deported-- mostly the leadership from the capital, Samaria. The rest of the Northern Kingdom were taken by Assyria as slaves, which were a valuable commodity. (It is difficult to view the Assyrians as careless enough to let their captives wander off to Europe.)
When the Babylonians take over Assyria, the descendants of the "ten tribes" were probably again commingled with the captives of Judah.
The Babylonians Take Over
When the Northern Kingdom went into captivity (722 b.c.), all 12 tribes were also represented in the south. When the Babylonians took the Southern Kingdom into captivity (586 b.c.), members of all 12 tribes of Israel were involved. Isaiah, prophesying to Judah, refers to them as the "House of Jacob, which are called by the name of Israel..." (Isaiah 48:1; cf. vv. 12-14).
Post-Captivity Terminology
After the Babylonian captivity, the terms "Jew" and "Israelite" are used interchangeably. Ezra calls the returning remnant "Jews" 8 times and "Israel" 40 times. (Ezra also speaks of "all Israel": Ezra 2:70; 3:11; 8:35; 10:25, et al.) Nehemiah uses the term "Jew" 11 times and "Israel" 22 times. Nehemiah too speaks of "all Israel" being back in the land (Nehemiah 12:47). The remnant who returned from Babylon is represented as "the nation" (Malachi 1:1, et al.).
The same is true in the New Testament. Our Lord is said to have offered Himself to the nation, "the lost sheep of the house of Israel" (Matthew 10:5-6; 15:24). Tribes other than Judah are mentioned specifically in the New Testament as being represented in the land.15
Anna knew her tribal identity was of the tribe of Asher (Luke 2:36). Paul knew he was of the tribe of Benjamin, a "Jew" and an "Israelite" (Romans 11:1). The New Testament speaks of "Israel" 75 times and uses the word "Jew" 174 times.16
At the Feast of Pentecost Peter cries, "Ye men of Judea" (Acts 2:14), "ye men of Israel..." (Acts 2:22), and "All the house of Israel" (Acts 2:36).
The Ten Lost Tribes | Koinonia House
This month (June 1995) we celebrate the Feast of Shavout, or Pentecost. In Peter's famous speech on this day in Acts Chapter 2, he referred to both "Jews" and "Israel", which brings up an ubiquitous myth concerning the "Ten Lost Tribes" of Israel.
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That's a strange post. Firstly because it doesn't seem to fit your thread here and second because once again the false prophet Tsarfati has made you look clueless.Amir Tsarfati
Lake Como in Italy: neo-fascist demonstrators saluted this week with raised arms at a memorial service for Mussolini's supporters who were killed in 1945. The event was held with the permission and in full coordination with the police.
Aye that's called democracy. Bizarrely there was, back in the day, a group(s) of zionists who styled themselves on Mussolini's brand of fascism. Heck they even tried to collaborate with Mussolini.
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You mean the Hamas that looked after the hostages and treated them with dignity and respect? ‘LOL’
He only reads zionist propaganda so he probably thought that it was the hamas who killed the foreign aid workers...Bless his wee cotton socks.
Iam not going to give you a bullet-pointed answer and since my mind tends to shoot into the future whenever an event happens (i can't help myself), i'll frame my answer in that context and it encompasses the long list you may have expected from me.
Thanks for the video!
Dr Stein is Jewish
I wonder if you have read “The Last Battle” by C.S. Lewis? Toward the end Ginger the Cat and Rishta Tarkaan come up with an explanation of how the “lion” came to be in the stable. In a clever double bluff, a twist in the story makes the events appear as though they were orchestrated by malevolent hands rather than any climactic events relating to the return of Aslan…
how many years have you been predicting the end of the world now Karly? Since at least 17’ at least. You have been wrong every time why should I believe you now?
It's funny, i think i read all the books but hardly have any memory of many of the characters or places....except for the wardrobe, the bitter winters and Turkish Delight(ofcourse!).
What's with the baiting? You accuse me of things i've never said nor espouse. Just a page back, you accused me of being a dominionist. If i ever believed in a millennial reign of Christ from Jerusalem, then you can be sure i'd be an ardent christian zionist but i don't believe in it because Scripture (in both the OT & NT) is explicit that this planet will be rendered uninhabitable at the Second advent. (Feel free to read the entire 24th chapter of Isaiah, or 13:9-13 or 34:1-4 or 66:15)