Why Capitalism is way better than any other economic system!

[enderpotato00]

A lot of people died trying for shit like this to work. It doesn't matter if it wasn't really "communism", people died, 100 million died. Under capitalism, not very much. There needs to be a mix of both capitalism and socialism if you want it to work.

There has always been currency in many societies.

 

[mecca]

THEY RECEIVE FUCKING MONEY

Other people get rich and they stay perpetually poor. The money they receive is not even enough, prices keep rising and wages keep lowering. Instead of having to sell their labor, they should be able to work and benefit from it directly, everyone should benefit.

 

[enderpotato00]

A lot of people died trying for shit like this to work. It doesn't matter if it wasn't really "communism", people died, 100 million died. Under capitalism, not very much. There needs to be a mix of both capitalism and socialism if you want it to work.

Capitalism is made by people, thats what I meant dumbass

 

[rainerann]

People get into debt because the people who have the means to increase currency and alleviate the experience of poverty for others, choose to find a way that it will also benefit them. An increasing population needs an increasing currency. That is what has created debt. The amount of circulating currency needed to increase because we have more people who live longer in the world, and the people who had the ability to provide this decided to use it to their advantage. Having government is supposed to protect us from this sort of favoritism that permits wealthy people to take advantage of people who do not have the means to increase the amount of capital they have within a community.

@mecca this is why communism wouldn't work. How on earth do you think you are going to get this potato head to live the communal way? This is entirely why we need a system like capitalism.

 

[enderpotato00]

@mecca this is why communism wouldn't work. How on earth do you think you are going to get this potato head to live the communal way? This is entirely why we need a system like capitalism.[/QUOTE]

THANK YOU for proving my point. @mecca is just blind by the ideology. IT WILL NEVER WORK.

 

[mecca]

Having government is supposed to protect us from this sort of favoritism that permits wealthy people to take advantage of people who do not have the means to increase the amount of capital they have within a community.

The rich become the government. Wealthy property owners wrote our very constitution. Money is power and corporations and lobbyists control the US right now. Decentralization with a focus on removing hierarchical structures will make it difficult for someone to amass that kind of power.

 

[enderpotato00]

The rich become the government. Wealthy property owners wrote our very constitution. Money is power and corporations and lobbyists control the US right now. Decentralization with a focus on removing hierarchical structures will make it difficult for someone to amass that kind of power.

delusional.

 

[enderpotato00]

The rich become the government. Wealthy property owners wrote our very constitution. Money is power and corporations and lobbyists control the US right now. Decentralization with a focus on removing hierarchical structures will make it difficult for someone to amass that kind of power.

And you don't own property? With socialism and the ideas you're saying, you wouldn't any private property. It would be given to everyone. There is no such thing as equality.

 

[mecca]

delusional.

All I did was state a couple of facts and you're calling me delusional? You're the one typing in all caps and insulting me.
Every single person who wrote and signed the United States constitution was a wealthy property owner and many of them were freemasons. Lobbyists have huge power in the US to the point where the people's vote doesn't even matter.
http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746

 

[enderpotato00]

Other people get rich and they stay perpetually poor. The money they receive is not even enough, prices keep rising and wages keep lowering. Instead of having to sell their labor, they should be able to work and benefit from it directly, everyone should benefit.

And yea b/c we have infinite resources right?

 

[mecca]

With socialism and the ideas you're saying, you wouldn't any private property.

Private property isn't the same as personal property. Personal property is things like houses and cars and clothing and personal items. Private property is things like factories... In a communist society people would have personal property but not private property because the workers would control them democratically. One person shouldn't own a factory, the workers themselves should be able to own and manage it.

 

[mecca]

And yea b/c we have infinite resources right?

When did I say that?

 

[enderpotato00]

All I did was state a couple of facts and you're calling me delusional? You're the one typing in all caps and insulting me.
Every single person who wrote and signed the United States constitution was a wealthy property owner and many of them were freemasons. Lobbyists have huge power in the US to the point where the people's vote doesn't even matter.
http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746

Private property is owned by an individual. So is personal property. They're the same thing.

 

[mecca]

Private property is owned by an individual. So is personal property. They're the same thing.

No they're not because private property is used to exploit others for their labor. If the workers themselves control the factory, they won't have to sell their labor. Personal property is people's personal things, they don't exploit people with it.

 

[enderpotato00]

Private property isn't the same as personal property. Personal property is things like houses and cars and clothing and personal items. Private property is things like factories... In a communist society people would have personal property but not private property because the workers would control them democratically. One person shouldn't own a factory, the workers themselves should be able to own and manage it.

Private Property: land or belongings owned by a person or group and kept for their exclusive use.
I.E. Houses, businesses.

 

[enderpotato00]

No they're not because private property is used to exploit others for their labor. If the workers themselves control the factory, they won't have to sell their labor. Personal property is people's personal things, they don't exploit people with it.

Good night, have fun living in your fantasy.

 

[mecca]

Private Property: land or belongings owned by a person or group and kept for their exclusive use.
I.E. Houses, businesses.

I'm telling you what types of property would be personally and collectively owned in a communist society. Houses and cars and personal belongings are personal property.

 

[rainerann]

The rich become the government. Wealthy property owners wrote our very constitution. Money is power and corporations and lobbyists control the US right now. Decentralization with a focus on removing hierarchical structures will make it difficult for someone to amass that kind of power.

Well no that isn't what really happened. People achieved some independent wealth, which gave them the capital they needed to become an independent nation and write a constitution. It is similar to my electricity example. If communism were possible, we could replicate a separate system without requiring a capital investment. The fact that all we do is talk about this proves that it is not possible because there are enough people that would want to do something like this to accomplish it in theory. However, they can't because it requires capital that they don't have, which proves that a communist system will ultimately fail because it cannot independently be created.

However, that doesn't address the difficulty of Mr. Potato head here? I tried to reply to him but you can't see the quote he wrote to me about how people become indebted because they are bad at handling money. That is what I was responding to, and I am supporting capitalism, and he is supporting capitalism. Although, he is disagreeing with both of us, which kind of makes me think communism will not work. It also kind of makes me think at some point we would need a leader to make a decision between our three competing opinions. This is why communism will never work. It will always lead to some kind of state or monarchy and in some archaic forms of government that don't have established divisions of power, things could be much worse than they are now.

 

[mecca]

If communism were possible

People have been living communally since humanity began.

Although, he is disagreeing with both of us, which kind of makes me think communism will not work.

I see no connection.

 

[rainerann]

People have been living communally since humanity began.

I see no connection.

An idealist is one who, on noticing that a rose smells better than a cabbage, concludes that it is also more nourishing.H. L. Mencken