Aisha's age at the time of her marriage

[Daze]

No you are the dumb one if you can't grasp the simplest of dilemmas. A man marrying and consumating his marriage with a six/nine year old is a p***phile, therefore either he is a corrupted person and not a prophet, or he is a prophet and the information about him marrying a six year old is wrong, which is Tempo's position. Tempo has not been saying the opposite of what I said. The opposite of "the prophet Muhammad is not a p***phile" is "the prophet Muhammad is a p***phile" which is not at all what Tempo has been saying.

Problem is it never happened. What we have in the hadith is an agreement of marriage. Not a consummation of one. But it seems In your world once you're proposed to you jump right into the sack. Literally, like within the hour. Just kidding, we both know marriage today is a much, much, much, much, much, much, much... muuuccccchhhhhhhhhhhhh later afterthought, if its even considered at all.

Perhaps what is most ironic is how you call others dumb when you literally know nothing of the situation.

When you argue with an idiot, onlookers can't tell the difference.

 

[HansConsciousness]

For the one dimensional thinkers, the evidence I provided focused on the physical aspect of becoming an adult. You have clearly not taken into consideration the mental, emotional and psychological development.

Your rule that a child becomes an adult once they hit puberty lacks comprehension and doesn't account for exceptional cases or anomalies. The youngest female to have given birth that was ever recorded was a 5 year old. So according to your rule of thumb, a woman can be from the age of 5 and onwards.

If we continue with this perspective, a woman who is as young as 9, has the same status as one who is 18, there is no distinction between the two. There are no discerning differences at all if they were to be stood beside each other, so you must be able to identify young women aged 9-12 amongst girls the same age who haven't started their menses. Surely the evidence is clear.

And should you find a young 9 year old woman who wants to marry, she doesn't just become a tilth. She is now your companion, someone you have a mutual respect for and offers you her counsel. Whom you entrust your wealth and property onto her. A lot of parents wouldn't even leave their 9 year old home alone to look after their siblings, but her duty is to take care of the home.

Here is where the perversion is on full display. Why is the focus on girls/women? Why aren't young men aged 11 encouraged to marry and start a family? Aren't they also recognized as fully fledged men therefore should be treated as such?



"They have hearts with which they do not understand, they have eyes with which they do not see, and they have ears with which they do not hear."[7:179]

"So have they not traveled through the earth and have hearts by which to reason and ears by which to hear? For indeed, it is not eyes that are blinded, but blinded are the hearts which are within the breasts." [22:46]

The youngest female to have given birth that was ever recorded was a 5 year old.

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHAT IN THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I wish I didn't had read this!!!!!!

 

[Daze]

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHAT IN THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I wish I didn't had read this!!!!!!

Don't believe everything you read on the internet.

 

[Mohammed_123]

As far as I know the life expectancy was lower in the past mostly because of infant deaths which lowered the average age of death considerably.

before the arrival of antibiotics...which wasnt very long ago...the life expectancy was 20 to 35....i wonder if by mid life (around 10 years of age)..
they may have got married?

if that is the case then prophet mohammed and aisha dosnt seem to unreasonable.

what do you think??

 

[floss]

before the arrival of antibiotics...which wasnt very long ago...the life expectancy was 20 to 35....i wonder if by mid life (around 10 years of age)..
they may have got married?

if that is the case then prophet mohammed and aisha dosnt seem to unreasonable.

what do you think??

How old was Muhamad when he married Aisha?

 

[amaranthine]

Problem is it never happened. What we have in the hadith is an agreement of marriage. Not a consummation of one. But it seems In your world once you're proposed to you jump right into the sack. Literally, like within the hour. Just kidding, we both know marriage today is a much, much, much, much, much, much, much... muuuccccchhhhhhhhhhhhh later afterthought, if its even considered at all.

Perhaps what is most ironic is how you call others dumb when you literally know nothing of the situation.

When you argue with an idiot, onlookers can't tell the difference.

Perhaps talk with others in the thread who are claiming that it did happen? If you haven't noticed I have been talking to people who are claiming that it is ok to marry and consumate the marriage to 9+ year olds. And you won't convince me that marrying an old guy at such a young age is ok, even without consumation.

 

[Mohammed_123]

How old was Muhamad when he married Aisha?

i think he was in his late 40s

ok ok

 

[amaranthine]

before the arrival of antibiotics...which wasnt very long ago...the life expectancy was 20 to 35....i wonder if by mid life (around 10 years of age)..
they may have got married?

if that is the case then prophet mohammed and aisha dosnt seem to unreasonable.

what do you think??

Life expectancy of 35 doesn't change anything, it certainly doesn't change the biology of a human being.

 

[Daze]

Perhaps talk with others in the thread who are claiming that it did happen? If you haven't noticed I have been talking to people who are claiming that it is ok to marry and consumate the marriage to 9+ year olds. And you won't convince me that marrying an old guy at such a young age is ok, even without consumation.

Actually, why would i read your posts when they are not directed at me? The only reason i responded to you in the first place was because you quoted my post.

You're European, correct? Take a look into your own history, and you don't have to go back 100 years, to find many young girls who married extremely old men. To the point where teenagers becoming widows were extremely common.

Idk why I am even bothering to engage with you. You think that I'm all for old men marrying girls fresh into puberty when nothing could be further from the truth. But you are attempting to demonize a man who literally lived 1400 years ago in a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SOCIETY. One that is reflective of YOUR OWN if you only go back 100 years.

I am all for Marriage, period. A union blessed by the Almighty himself and it doesn't matter if the guy is the same age or 10 years older, and the reverse is also the same. There is nothing wrong with a 20, 30 year old woman marrying a 15 yr old boy.. (in a different society of course, I've already explained why its not beneficial today). DId you know one of the Prophets wives, Khadeejah was much older then him? By 15 years? Of course you didn't because hate and ignorance is all you know.

You are just so hung up on "p***philia" you remain completely ignorant to the fact that this girls father Abu Bakr blessed the union. This same woman stayed with the prophet until he died. This same woman is known as the mother of the believers and a massive chunk of the relgion is lost without her. She is in a highly praised status, regardless of how much you may hate it. You think you're defending her but she would reject you had she been here today.

This whole entire convo between me and you is stupid. Because you know NOTHING about the situation. As i said above, when you argue with idiots, onlookers can't see the difference.

 

[floss]

i think he was in his late 40s

ok ok

Can you give me the source claiming this? Thanks

 

[floss]

Perhaps talk with others in the thread who are claiming that it did happen? If you haven't noticed I have been talking to people who are claiming that it is ok to marry and consumate the marriage to 9+ year olds. And you won't convince me that marrying an old guy at such a young age is ok, even without consumation.

This is Muhamad Hijab here.

 

[amaranthine]

Actually, why would i read your posts when they are not directed at me? The only reason i responded to you in the first place was because you quoted my post.

You're European, correct? Take a look into your own history, and you don't have to go back 100 years, to find many young girls who married extremely old men. To the point where teenagers becoming widows were extremely common.

Idk why I am even bothering to engage with you. You think that I'm all for old men marrying girls fresh into puberty when nothing could be further from the truth. But you are attempting to demonize a man who literally lived 1400 years ago in a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SOCIETY. One that is reflective of YOUR OWN if you only go back 100 years.

I am all for Marriage, period. A union blessed by the Almighty himself and it doesn't matter if the guy is the same age or 10 years older, and the reverse is also the same. There is nothing wrong with a 20, 30 year old woman marrying a 15 yr old boy.. (in a different society of course, I've already explained why its not beneficial today). DId you know one of the Prophets wives, Khadeejah was much older then him? By 15 years? Of course you didn't because hate and ignorance is all you know.

You are just so hung up on "p***philia" you remain completely ignorant to the fact that this girls father Abu Bakr blessed the union. This same woman stayed with the prophet until he died. This same woman is known as the mother of the believers and a massive chunk of the relgion is lost without her. She is in a highly praised status, regardless of how much you may hate it. You think you're defending her but she would reject you had she been here today.

This whole entire convo between me and you is stupid. Because you know NOTHING about the situation. As i said above, when you argue with idiots, onlookers can't see the difference.

I am sorry but this is a weird way of thinking. If I were to watch a documentary of a modern day new age cult and people were praising a little girl being married to their cult leader and everyone was happy, even the little girl... well, grooming is a thing isn't it and I would be struck by how evil the cult is. This however is not what I think of Mohammed, even if from my outsider view.
Also I never once made this about European vs oriental or anything like that, except that I corrected Friend who said the same thing as you are now saying, albeit he was defending modern day pedophiles with that example of "the widespread marriage of girls with old men back in the day". That was not a thing in most of the western world throghout history, except among the decadent nobility. It certainly wasn't a thing 100 years ago in my country.
I know why I did bother to engage with you. You attacked almost the only muslim person in this thread who isn't condoning child marriage and who defended your prophet from such accusations. That is weird to me as opposing that defense gives merit to the zionist christians attacking your religion.

 

[amaranthine]

This is Muhamad Hijab here.

That is a very disturbing individual and precisely the reason why muslims should distance themselves from such apologists as Friend and company and from such Quran commentary as in the examples.

 

[Daze]

I am sorry but this is a weird way of thinking. If I were to watch a documentary of a modern day new age cult and people were praising a little girl being married to their cult leader and everyone was happy, even the little girl... well, grooming is a thing isn't it and I would be struck by how evil the cult is. This however is not what I think of Mohammed, even if from my outsider view.
Also I never once made this about European vs oriental or anything like that, except that I corrected Friend who said the same thing as you are now saying, albeit he was defending modern day pedophiles with that example of "the widespread marriage of girls with old men back in the day". That was not a thing in most of the western world throghout history, except among the decadent nobility. It certainly wasn't a thing 100 years ago in my country.
I know why I did bother to engage with you. You attacked almost the only muslim person in this thread who isn't condoning child marriage and who defended your prophet from such accusations. That is weird to me as opposing that defense gives merit to the zionist christians attacking your religion.

Tempo has said some of the most vile things about my prophet on these boards, worse then the polytheists here. I'd quote him right now but i'd have to take him off ignore and he is one of the 3 people here i can't stomach. The other 2 being floss and recure. As i said above, its HIGHLY possible Tempo is not even a Muslim and i gave the evidence for this above. He is only here to make Muslims look bad. Its like we are talking about 2 different people.

Once again, Aisha's age doesn't matter. Had the Prophet slept with her and dumped her then you'd have complaints but the fact is it was a marriage, one that lasted her entire life. The age difference wasn't even an issue At All until modern age. This is why i highlighted the recent European history and it was the same in America. Woman typically married very young. Look into your own history and odds are high you won't have to go back 3 or 4 generations to find it in your own blood line. Go ahead, research it.

Today the world is vastly different. Childlike behavior is encouraged and some people literally never do grow up. Modern society is simply set up this way because its a satanic world. Marriage is outright attacked while people are over sexualized from a very young age.

When a 13 year old boy and 12 year old girl can start a family in say an Amish community, why are we making 18 years minimum a law? Because the powers that be WANT fornication because a corrupt society is easily controlled. For Gods sake Israel airs free porn into Palestinian homes. Why would they do this? i just told you why.

We don't ever have to see eye to on on this and that is fine. Come judgement day everyone will see this woman's status. As i said before, Aisha is the mother of the believers while nearly 2 billion people look up to the Prophet (saw) as a role model today. You simply can not compare today's society with one from 1400 years ago. This is where your hang up is while others like floss and tempo clearly have an agenda.

 

[TempestOfTempo]

"You insulted a holy prophet when you defended him against my accusations of being a child rapist.
I dont know what you are saying because I put you on ignore, but I keep reading and responding to your posts.
This is a terrible, blasphemous thread and I am done with it... but here I am again.
I didnt cuss at anyone here, you did. But I cant say where or when, because Im blocking/ignoring you... while I continue to hang on your every post... desperate for conflict.
I know Muslims are not supposed to make accusations of others being outside of Islam, and there are even some of my precious Hadeeth (which I elevate above holy Quran in order to have a convenient stream of theological justifications for my actions and desires) which state that when one (myself) accuses another (ToT) of being outside of the faith, one of them likely is (meaning myself)... but Im still going to sit around with the usual ped-apologist crowd attempting to antagonize/drum up animosity agianst ToT with my "speculations" (accusations) of him being being a "kaffir" regardless. Gee, its almost like Im talking in circles trying to convince myself of my own false-narrative... where is this guy, this non-Muslim by my definition?"

I have been in the mosque the last ten days of Ramadan, fasting, praying and seeking the Night of Power which is a divine mercy from God almighty. And here you are, right where I left you, engaged in the exact same behavior. Face it, this debate is over...

 

[TrollingTroubles]

Simmer down, home slice.

 

[TempestOfTempo]

Actually, why would i read your posts when they are not directed at me? The only reason i responded to you in the first place was because you quoted my post.

You're European, correct? Take a look into your own history, and you don't have to go back 100 years, to find many young girls who married extremely old men. To the point where teenagers becoming widows were extremely common.

Idk why I am even bothering to engage with you. You think that I'm all for old men marrying girls fresh into puberty when nothing could be further from the truth. But you are attempting to demonize a man who literally lived 1400 years ago in a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SOCIETY. One that is reflective of YOUR OWN if you only go back 100 years.

I am all for Marriage, period. A union blessed by the Almighty himself and it doesn't matter if the guy is the same age or 10 years older, and the reverse is also the same. There is nothing wrong with a 20, 30 year old woman marrying a 15 yr old boy.. (in a different society of course, I've already explained why its not beneficial today). DId you know one of the Prophets wives, Khadeejah was much older then him? By 15 years? Of course you didn't because hate and ignorance is all you know.

You are just so hung up on "p***philia" you remain completely ignorant to the fact that this girls father Abu Bakr blessed the union. This same woman stayed with the prophet until he died. This same woman is known as the mother of the believers and a massive chunk of the relgion is lost without her. She is in a highly praised status, regardless of how much you may hate it. You think you're defending her but she would reject you had she been here today.

This whole entire convo between me and you is stupid. Because you know NOTHING about the situation. As i said above, when you argue with idiots, onlookers can't see the difference.

"This whole convo between you and me is STUPID! And Im not really paying attention anyways... but I just keep responding and posting! You are just so STUPID by refusing to accept my ped-promotion as a halal lifestyle! Hey, I cant prove my own contentions, even with my own hadeeths but... Im right and your wrong! But Im not really sure, because Im not reading your posts or following this thread!"

 

[TempestOfTempo]

This is Muhamad Hijab here.

That guys "interpretation" is faulty to say the least... its so faulty that I cant tell if hes trying to earn brownie points by "exposing" the Koran or actually promoting ped material. Either way, its just another example of why the born-and-bred Muslims should either subordinate their will/activity to the Muslim reverts in our own countries... or they should leave immediately. Because the only reverts I know who agree with this garbage are one who identify with the born-and-breds. And to be perfectly honest... those aint exactly the cream of the revert crop if you catch my drift. The Muslim reverts who reject this agenda should be elevated to leaders, especially in our own lands. But you see the born-and-breds wont even follow each other... so there is no way these people will accept leadership from us. And people wonder why I sometimes call for as complete of a separation from born-and-bred Muslims as possible.

 

[TrollingTroubles]

Reverts who can’t speak fluent Arabic to understand the Quran in its native form calling for native Muslims to follow them because they know best? Lol. You’re dumber than I thought.

 

[TempestOfTempo]

Reverts who can’t speak fluent Arabic to understand the Quran in its native form calling for native Muslims to follow them because they know best? Lol. You’re dumber than I thought.

I dont need to "speak fluent Arabic" in order to discern the faulty interpretations... as a matter of fact, your washed up arguments in those regards have already been dissected and dismissed here. Im not "calling for native Muslims to follow" me... thats what YALL are doing. Im just asking questions and presenting evidence yall cant deal with. I dont say I "know best"... but I do know better than to believe your perverse lies that child r*pe and trafficking are not only permissible, but advised within the faith of Islam.

However, myself (along with everyone else who reads this) can see that you are addicted to lying. You have lied about me multiple times in this thread alone. You have lied about what others have posted... and you continue to lie regarding Islam in order to justify the unjustifiable, so who in the world would ever think we would get a fair shake out of you?

"Im not interacting any further/I put yall on ignore/I stopped following this thread... wait, wheres everyone going? Im still here! Still wanting to start fitna while I promote child r*pe and trafficking... doesn't anyone want to engage?"